2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You're back to the homophobia? I'm beginning to think you're in the closet. Good luck with that

Mahomes is better than Hurts. If you think Hurts is better than him... we have nothing to discuss and I suggest you put me on ignore

Homophobia? I forgot you had troll in you. That’s why I usually don’t respond to your simple axx. I usually just leave the emoji…it’s not worth any discussion. You make up your own arguments.

12 minutes ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

Homophobia? I forgot you had troll in you. That’s why I usually don’t respond to your simple axx. I usually just leave the emoji…it’s not worth any discussion. You make up your own arguments.

You must be dealing with something. There's a history from your posts. It's not the first time you make mention of it

Like I said... I hope you get that situated and dealt with

Post in here that Hurts is better than Mahomes and give whatever reasoning you think you can come up with. I'm sure you'll get bashed from every teams fans about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You must be dealing with something. There's a history from your posts. It's not the first time you make mention of it

Like I said... I hope you get that situated and dealt with

Post in here that Hurts is better than Mahomes and give whatever reasoning you think you can come up with. I'm sure you'll get bashed from every teams fans about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/

Nah, speak for yaself…y’all all just have the same feminine ways.

On 3/4/2025 at 6:54 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

So ahead of the new season, what would be your ranking?

i’d have him at 5, behind Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Jackson. 

His stats aren’t as good and he does have a great team around him. But he’s also had a different OC/playcaller pretty much every year of his college and NFL career. He also just finds a way to win. Can do it with his arm and legs. Over the last 2 years he is 5-0 against the big 4 QB. Last year he didn’t have a good defense or Saquon. 
 

Hate to say it bud, but this thread does nothing but rehash the same arguments people have been having the same time for the last several years. Maybe it’s time people try to go a more positive direction instead of rehashing the same old arguments? Just a suggestion.

9 minutes ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

Nah, speak for yaself…y’all all just have the same feminine ways.

good talk

16 hours ago, 700Level4Life said:

I have him 3 behind Burrow and Mahomes.Only because of the SB. I would love to see this team with Joe Burrow  as  QB. Burrow with these weapons and line in front of him?

I’d love to see how any of these other quarterbacks would handle the scrutiny of playing in this market. Joe Burrow playing in Cincy isn’t like playing in Philly.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hate to say it bud, but this thread does nothing but rehash the same arguments people have been having the same time for the last several years. Maybe it’s time people try to go a more positive direction instead of rehashing the same old arguments? Just a suggestion.

I actually think it is a lot more positive and constructive now. I think even the majority of his haters appreciate he is a top QB now.

@D.WATSfromda757 If someone says Herbert > Hurts. Its over. You win. 10 million to zero blowout.

He was on a TEAM that gave up 3 interceptions all year.

Do we now blame the TEAM for 4 picks in one playoff game? 

The Eagles did not have the #1 scoring defense. That was the Chargers.

The only thing worse than throwing 4 picks in the playoffs? Losing to a QB who throws 4 picks in a playoff game because you did NOTHING after getting a 20 point halftime lead. Herbert is a POOR BABY! special. He has to play 1 year without Allen, Williams, and Ekeler and now he doesn't have weapons. Boo Hoo!

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

@D.WATSfromda757 If someone says Herbert > Hurts. Its over. You win. 10 million to zero blowout.

He was on a TEAM that gave up 3 interceptions all year.

Do we now blame the TEAM for 4 picks in one playoff game? 

The Eagles did not have the #1 scoring defense. That was the Chargers.

The only thing worse than throwing 4 picks in the playoffs? Losing to a QB who throws 4 picks in a playoff game because you did NOTHING after getting a 20 point halftime lead. Herbert is a POOR BABY! special. He has to play 1 year without Allen, Williams, and Ekeler and now he doesn't have weapons. Boo Hoo!

😂you don’t have to explain anything. Herbert’s fans are some sad cases. I try not to laugh too hard at them.they get delusional real quick. Earlier today on another platform one of them switched into another whole argument once I easily showed him why Herbert wasn’t even top ten to me. It must’ve rang true inside of him to the way he moved the goalpost.

16 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I actually think it is a lot more positive and constructive now. I think even the majority of his haters appreciate he is a top QB now.

I said he was 7th and people got their feelings hurt

22 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’d love to see how any of these other quarterbacks would handle the scrutiny of playing in this market. Joe Burrow playing in Cincy isn’t like playing in Philly.

I think Burrow thrives. He played at LSU. Its not exactly a tiny school. Hes been a star for a long time.His all around skill set is better than Hurts. If they switched teams, Hurts isnt winning in Cincy like Burrow has. Hes not. Thats not a knock on Hurts. Hes a good QB, I just think all around game, Burrow is better. the best QB in football. He might be this generations Dan Marino with how thrifty Cinncy is . 

14 minutes ago, 700Level4Life said:

I think Burrow thrives. He played at LSU. Its not exactly a tiny school. Hes been a star for a long time.His all around skill set is better than Hurts. If they switched teams, Hurts isnt winning in Cincy like Burrow has. Hes not. Thats not a knock on Hurts. Hes a good QB, I just think all around game, Burrow is better. the best QB in football. He might be this generations Dan Marino with how thrifty Cinncy is . 

Hurts is a better all-around QB. I think you mean Burrow is a better passer.

Its funny how Hurts won with a rookie DeVonta, Reagor, Quez, JJAW, and Greg Ward but can't hypothetically win with JaMarr Chase and Tee Higgins (or Chase, Higgins, and Boyd)

We can't stop the delusions. We only point and laugh.

AJ is in that discussion for WR2-8 or so in the NFL. Chase is #1 and its not close.

 

You know who could WIN in Cincy? Jake Browning who went 4-3 when Burrow got hurt.

34, 34, 31, and 27 points in the wins. Pittsburgh and KC kicked his butt.

27 minutes ago, 700Level4Life said:

I think Burrow thrives. He played at LSU. Its not exactly a tiny school. Hes been a star for a long time.His all around skill set is better than Hurts. If they switched teams, Hurts isnt winning in Cincy like Burrow has. Hes not. Thats not a knock on Hurts. Hes a good QB, I just think all around game, Burrow is better. the best QB in football. He might be this generations Dan Marino with how thrifty Cinncy is . 

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to win in Cincy.  Cincy had the 25th ranked defense this season, yet Burrow couldn't even make the playoffs.  Hurts at least made the playoffs in 2023 with a 26th ranked defense.  Also, Burrow has 2 elite WR's in Higgins and Chase, so it's not like he's throwing to scrubs and carrying his offense/team.

Cincy is cheap for sure

 

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to win in Cincy.  Cincy had the 25th ranked defense this season, yet Burrow couldn't even make the playoffs.  Hurts at least made the playoffs in 2023 with a 26th ranked defense.  Also, Burrow has 2 elite WR's in Higgins and Chase, so it's not like he's throwing to scrubs and carrying his offense/team.

Cincy is cheap for sure

 

There’s almost an argument to say with his ability to run maybe Hurts could be better in Cincy than Burrow? As he’d be able to move around and help out that OL. Mind you there’s also a case to be made to say Burrow would be better in Philly with an elite OL, RB and the receiving weapons we have.

#1.  I would not take any other QB in the NFL for the Eagles over Hurts.  He can handle this city.  He is super clutch.  He is a winner.  And he has insane competitive drive and sets a great example.  In my book he took that next step this year.  It was a huge test to takeover the oline protection calls from Kelce and he did it very well.  And he really grew managing the offense and getting into the right plays at the line of scrimmage.  And I don't think he is even close to his mental ceiling yet.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

There’s almost an argument to say with his ability to run maybe Hurts could be better in Cincy than Burrow? As he’d be able to move around and help out that OL. Mind you there’s also a case to be made to say Burrow would be better in Philly with an elite OL, RB and the receiving weapons we have.

Burrow has never lacked receiving weapons. He has had a poor O-line that he's had to overcome. Having a poor pass blocking O-line is not really a great combination when passing 40+ passes per game. But it does help a QB's production seem more impressive. 

17 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Burrow has never lacked receiving weapons. He has had a poor O-line that he's had to overcome. Having a poor pass blocking O-line is not really a great combination when passing 40+ passes per game. But it does help a QB's production seem more impressive. 

This year his O-line was about average. They give up more sacks because no one else drops back 41 times a game.

His sack rate was almost 9 in 2021 and everyone thinks time stopped and the Cincy line has to always be 2021 bad.

His sack rate has been between 6.17 and 6.86 the last 3 years.

If the goal is to hero worship Burrow, just pretend the rate is still 8.93

7 hours ago, MF POON said:

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to win in Cincy.  Cincy had the 25th ranked defense this season, yet Burrow couldn't even make the playoffs.  Hurts at least made the playoffs in 2023 with a 26th ranked defense.  Also, Burrow has 2 elite WR's in Higgins and Chase, so it's not like he's throwing to scrubs and carrying his offense/team.

Cincy is cheap for sure

 

Burrow is why the Bengals had a winning record. He kept them in games, with that awful defense. and yeah, he has good recievers, but whos his RB, whos his TE, and more importantly, who is his best lineman? Just aboutr everyone on the eagles line would start for another team, you cant say the same about the guys in Cincy. 

Burrow was 5-5 in 2023

Jake Browning was 4-3

JAKE BROWNING WAS THE REASON THE BENGALS HAD A WINNING RECORD IN 2023, NOT BURROW

You are wrong. Stop repeating the easily disproven lie.

If Browning can win in Cincy. Hurts can ALSO win in Cincy.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Burrow has never lacked receiving weapons. He has had a poor O-line that he's had to overcome. Having a poor pass blocking O-line is not really a great combination when passing 40+ passes per game. But it does help a QB's production seem more impressive. 

I wasn’t trying to suggest he hasn’t had elite receiving weapons. He’s got Chase and Higgins so he’s got a lot of ammo there. But overall I think our receiving weapons are slightly better plus we have the OL and an elite RB.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I wasn’t trying to suggest he hasn’t had elite receiving weapons. He’s got Chase and Higgins so he’s got a lot of ammo there. But overall I think our receiving weapons are slightly better plus we have the OL and an elite RB.

In his time in the NFL, he's had other weapons too. It's funny how people forget about Tyler Boyd (271-3098-16TDs from 2020-2023). Joe Mixon was a top RB that was also a good receiver. This year he had Gesicki at TE and he's a very good receiver and Chase Brown was coming on at HB. Also Iosivas was beginning to flash at times as the 3rd WR. 

 

Pretty much everybody has the Bengals as having the top duo at WR right now, The Eagles clearly have the top RB. The Eagles have the better O-line, but we did still have some issues on the interior with pass protection consistency, but were able to mask that by running 57% of the time. 

9 hours ago, 700Level4Life said:

Burrow is why the Bengals had a winning record. He kept them in games, with that awful defense. and yeah, he has good recievers, but whos his RB, whos his TE, and more importantly, who is his best lineman? Just aboutr everyone on the eagles line would start for another team, you cant say the same about the guys in Cincy. 

Cincy's offense kept them in games, which is no different than the Eagles offense keeping us in games last season. Burrow wasn't carrying his offense like Josh Allen did with the Bills this past season.

Goedert and Gesicki are pretty much a draw in terms of production. And you bring up RB, but Saquon hasn't been here for Jalen's entire career. Hurts did make it to a SB and outplay Mahomes in 2022 without Barkley.  Also, Burrow's OL is good at pass protection, but not run blocking, so it's essentially suited to Burrow's strength and Cincy's offensive philosophy.  

 

I have serious problems with McNabb in high pressure situations but the guy carried his team in 2000. He was on loaded teams for most of his career but 2000 was Darnell Autry at RB and so on. Wentz was on a bad 2019 Eagles team and he elevated them with some great play to make the playoffs. I gave him full credit. Hurts absolutely did the same with a 4-12 2020 Eagles team becoming 9-8 in 2021. He did not inherit a great team. Its not unfair to poor Joe Burrow. He forged a great team along with Howie, Lurie, Stout, and everyone else.

 

Tom Brady's first non-winning season as QB1 was age 45.

Joe Montana had 1 in 12 years.

Mahomes has never not had a winning season.

Hurts has never not had a winning season as QB1. (2021 and 2023 were not great teams)

Lamar has never not had a winning season.

Allen missed as a rookie and has 6 straight winning seasons.

Burrow has 2 non-winning seasons in 5 tries.

 

Burrow does not elevate more than other great QBs. He stat compiles in a pass happy offense and he had a nice 2021-22 run.

Hurts beat 6 playoff teams with top 10 QBs in 2023 on a mediocre team with horrific coaching. That's how they had a winning record.

 

Top 5 QB, which I consider to be elite. 

On 3/6/2025 at 12:02 PM, MF POON said:

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to win in Cincy.  Cincy had the 25th ranked defense this season, yet Burrow couldn't even make the playoffs.  Hurts at least made the playoffs in 2023 with a 26th ranked defense.  Also, Burrow has 2 elite WR's in Higgins and Chase, so it's not like he's throwing to scrubs and carrying his offense/team.

Cincy is cheap for sure

 

 

 

This is your answer as to why, in addition to the environment of the AFC vs the NFC, he'd at the least win notably less in Cincy. I don't know why people keep ignoring his, but the Eagles line's allowed throwing times are not normal in the slightest, and he absolutely could not take his time to such a degree in those environments.