Where would you rank Hurts now in current NFL QBs?

[ManchesterEagle]

So ahead of the new season, what would be your ranking?

i’d have him at 5, behind Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Jackson. 

His stats aren’t as good and he does have a great team around him. But he’s also had a different OC/playcaller pretty much every year of his college and NFL career. He also just finds a way to win. Can do it with his arm and legs. Over the last 2 years he is 5-0 against the big 4 QB. Last year he didn’t have a good defense or Saquon. 
 

[brkmsn]

Ranking QBs as a position on the field or in how closely they resemble Tom Brady as passers only?

 

I believe you are going to see two camps here as some people have a perception that QB should be played a certain way and QBs that find success doing it differently are lesser in some way.

[ManchesterEagle]

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Ranking QBs as a position on the field or in how closely they resemble Tom Brady as passers only?

 

I believe you are going to see two camps here as some people have a perception that QB should be played a certain way and QBs that find success doing it differently are lesser in some way.

I’m strongly of the view that it’s whoever help their team the most. Whether that’s passing, running, not turning it over or being clutch.

[CouchKing]

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I’m strongly of the view that it’s whoever help their team the most. Whether that’s passing, running, not turning it over or being clutch.

I don't know. Maybe Jalen could be top 10 if he won the SB again next year. Then your argument might have some validity.

The following link (For Hurts Huggers and your mancaves) popped up as an ad on my laptop: 

Philadelphia Eagles JALEN HURTS Poster Photo Painting Artwork on CANVAS Art | eBay

[ManchesterEagle]

59 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

I don't know. Maybe Jalen could be top 10 if he won the SB again next year. Then your argument might have some validity.

The following link (For Hurts Huggers and your mancaves) popped up as an ad on my laptop: 

Philadelphia Eagles JALEN HURTS Poster Photo Painting Artwork on CANVAS Art | eBay

You really want the mods to create a troll reaction don’t you? 

[CouchKing]

I make significant contributions to advancing the conversation. 

And, that link is a very nice poster for $90.

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After further consideration, I will give it a rest and suspend myself from posting for 30 days.

 

[Shalodeep]

As a qb as in passing and all between 6-12

As his importance to success for their team probably 5th. Mahomes burrow jackson and Allen are 100% dependent on them and couldn't win any other way. Jalen seems to add to everyone's game vs the gameplan being jalen dependent. After a SB win and another SB visit, hard to put him out of top 5

[beto_eagles]

Somewhere between 5-8, which is pretty good IMO.

In my mind, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar and Burrow are definitely better. 

After them, I'd put Stafford, Goff and Herbert in a second tier along with Hurts. I think Hurts is definitely #5 considering his 2 SB appearances (playing amazingly well), but people could argue in favor of the other 3 with some valid arguments. 

Honestly, after he delivered our 2nd SB, I couldn't care less about QB rankings. I am happy with him as the Eagles QB and that's all that matters. 

[MF POON]

Top 5, and I'd say he's probably at #3 behind Mahomes and Allen.  As brkmsn said, Jalen's ranking will change depending on how you view the QB position.

 

[Mike030270]

I'd put Hurts behind Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Stafford, and Herbert. Strictly on the QB and not how the team wins or loses

[nipples]

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd put Hurts behind Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Stafford, and Herbert. Strictly on the QB and not how the team wins or loses

I just can’t get there with Herbert. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

For me going in to next year he’s #2 and I’m slightly tempted to say he’s #1. He just won SB MVP and the guy (along with this team) just wins.

Absolute lowest I’d put him is #3 behind Mahomes and Allen. Mahomes because I mean look at what he’s done. And Allen because there is no doubt Allen has more ability. But I don’t think ability is everything and I do think Hurts is a better leader and is a born winner and that really means a lot.

[Mike030270]

3 minutes ago, nipples said:

I just can’t get there with Herbert. 

66.5% 21k yards 137TDs with an average 267yds/game

His team and coaches hold him back

[ManchesterEagle]

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd put Hurts behind Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Stafford, and Herbert. Strictly on the QB and not how the team wins or loses

I know we butt heads sometimes but this isn’t unfair. I don’t think there should be any denying that Hurts is a top 10 QB though. 

[Mike030270]

9 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I know we butt heads sometimes but this isn’t unfair. I don’t think there should be any denying that Hurts is a top 10 QB though. 

That'd put him 7th though...

[ManchesterEagle]

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That'd put him 7th though...

Yep and I’m fine with that. Just saying I don’t think it’s credible anymore to have him outside the top 10.

It’s also fair to say some people go too far the other way and rank him too high. 

[DaBirds]

Top 5 for me. Super Bowl MVP seals it 

[Infam]

A f-- it.

He's the best. 😁

[SkippyX]

1 Jackson - He was the runaway MVP this year after winning MVP last year (voters went with warm feelings) The playoff fumble was bad but he made the plays to beat Buffalo. Andrews had the worst day of his life.

2 Burrow - He is by far the best pure passer in a crazy passing offense with great targets.  He missed out on the playoffs because Lamar was a play or two better than him in two shootouts. Very slight edge over Hurts because he was injured in 2023 and Hurts had that rough patch in 2023.

3 Hurts - His efficiency numbers were insane this year, he's racing towards 100 rushing TDs and trending towards 100+ ratings. Now add in those 2 SB performances. Ignore his 22 passes per game and concentrate on the 33 passes + runs.

4 Josh Allen - His passing and running combo is dominant. He had a magical regular season (even if I thought he was 2nd best for MVP)

5 Jayden Daniels - This can change fast if he sophomore slumps but his TDs to turnovers was by far ahead of Hurts who was by far ahead of everyone else. His TD to turnovers outside of Eagles games was almost 5 to 1. (2 to 1 vs Philly) I have the breakdown on TDs to turnovers here:

Goff, Mahomes, Stafford and Love could push to be in that 4 or 5 range.

 

If this was pre-2023, Mahomes would be 1. Its not 2023.

If this was pre-2022, Rodgers would be 1 and Brady would be 5. Its not 2022.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

30 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

1 Jackson - He was the runaway MVP this year after winning MVP last year (voters went with warm feelings) The playoff fumble was bad but he made the plays to beat Buffalo. Andrews had the worst day of his life.

I just can’t have it bud. He puts up great numbers every year but doesn’t get it done in the big ones that really matter. He may put up better numbers than Hurts but I wouldn’t take him over Hurts no way.

[Loosechange]

6 hours ago, nipples said:

I just can’t get there with Herbert. 

Same. I think he's super overrated. Has the intangibles like a Jeff George, but doesn't get it done. 

[opa-opa]

Hurts took his running and scrambling to a different level this year and in the Superbowl. He killed the Chiefs time and time on third and long. That by itself already makes him top 5. If he keeps it up he might be #1 or 2. 

Btw hate me all u want but from what Ive seen i would already put JD in the top 5.

[eagle45]

Everyone needs to acknowledge that Hurts is just different.  I acknowledge I’ve been wrong about him twice though.

This generation of QBs just isn’t as good as the last one.  Less sustained dominance, precession, greatness.  Less reliable passing (regardless of what qb ratings may say).  Josh Allen, reigning MVP and QB, is exhibit A of this.

If we could draw a parallel of edge rushers…I see Hurts as a steady top flight, versatile 3-4 guy who can do many things but isn’t an elite pure pass rusher.  Other guys are more explosive pure rushers who are racking up better sack numbers and wrecking game plans and matchups more.  But he is plugging as an indefensible and versatile piece as a critical position in the system.

You know he plays better in bigger games and won’t choke.  

Thats a convoluted way of saying I think there is still a surprisingly long list of better passers in this league and a surprisingly short list of better QBs.  Which…until recently, I’d have argued there just isn’t much of a different between the two. But hurts and the eagles proved otherwise.

 

[SkippyX]

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I just can’t have it bud. He puts up great numbers every year but doesn’t get it done in the big ones that really matter. He may put up better numbers than Hurts but I wouldn’t take him over Hurts no way.

That is fair. I look at it like Randall and the 1998 Super Bowl. He did enough to win the game on the field and a kicker shanked it.

I've been hard on Lamar over the playoffs but he was good vs Buffalo. He was not mistake free but Andrews drops 2 balls in his hands.

I never docked Allen for losing a shootout to Mahomes but if you want Lamar at 3 or 5 instead of 1, I get that.

 

I don't think I would trade any of these guys for any other of these guys. They are all really good with their teams and systems and teammates. I would not be surprised if I have a completely different order next offseason.

 

[SkippyX]

@eagle45 I'm not sure anyone else could be as good as Hurts in this system. 

The run and run threat is important. The power to convert short yardage is important. Mahomes is not allowed to even try for one comparison.

Hurts is amazing at the deep ball. You have to be in this offense.

 

Here are a couple next gen stats.

First is Comp xComp and Completion over Expected. Its what you would expect completion % to be based on the difficulty of the passes compared to actual %. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completionPercentageAboveExpectation

Hurts led the league at + 6.8, Burrow + 4.9, Goff + 4.3, Daniels +1, Jackson -0.1, Allen -0.3, Mahomes -1.7

Hurts makes the difficult throws that make this offense go.

Last year Hurts was 4th at + 4.1. He was 7th at + 2.4 in 2022. He was -0.1 in his first year as a starter in 2021.

 

The next is Intended Air yards. Are you a stretch the field QB or are you a Matt Leinart type dink and dunker?

Jackson is 4th at 9.0, Allen is 14th at 8.3, Hurts in 15th at 8.0, Daniels 24th at 7.6, Burrow 25th at 7.4, Goff 37th at 6.8, Mahomes 41st at 6.3

Hurts was 6th in 2023, 14th in 2022, 4th in 2021.

 

No stat tells the whole story but these 2 give us 2 more ways to look at certain aspects of the difficulty of QB play.