10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I like what CJGJ brought to the defense as far as attitude. It was something we definitely missed in 2023. No, CJGJ wasn't the reason we went to the Super Bowl in 2022 and 2024, but the defense was and teammates fed off his energy. 

Right now, Green is awful. Nobody should be expecting him to win the RG spot this year. He's a project at best and realistically, he'll probably be this year's version of Albert Okwuegbunam who will take up a spot on the 53 all year and never play. He was that bad for the Texans. Steen is light-years ahead of him as an NFL OG. 

I think Howie has earned our trust and has been mostly excellent over the past 7 or 8 years. 

That being said, I don’t think that means we have to blindly accept everything he does. 

I get Williams and Sweat. They both cost a lot, probably got overpaid and we can’t keep everyone.

But I am struggling to get my head around the CJGJ trade. Doesn’t free up that much cap space, leaves a big question mark at safety and we don’t get much in return. Even if Stoutland pulls another miracle with Green, we only have him for the year.

Maybe a move will happen soon that will make this make sense!

 

15 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think Howie has earned our trust and has been mostly excellent over the past 7 or 8 years. 

That being said, I don’t think that means we have to blindly accept everything he does. 

I get Williams and Sweat. They both cost a lot, probably got overpaid and we can’t keep everyone.

But I am struggling to get my head around the CJGJ trade. Doesn’t free up that much cap space, leaves a big question mark at safety and we don’t get much in return. Even if Stoutland pulls another miracle with Green, we only have him for the year.

Maybe a move will happen soon that will make this make sense!

 

Maybe the move already happened and it will make sense as we see it unveiled going forward. In other words, there may be more faith in somebody already on the roster than you think.

3 hours ago, Aspiritfall said:

I'm talking about behind the scenes we don't know what might have been going on with CJ nobody knew of any issues with reddick before he was traded 

Nevertheless Howie traded a starting safety for a struggling linemen. That’s almost as bad as trading a starting running back for a struggling linebacker. Do you believe this makes the team better? 

19 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Nevertheless Howie traded a starting safety for a struggling linemen. That’s almost as bad as trading a starting running back for a struggling linebacker. Do you believe this makes the team better? 

I'm not happy about CJ leaving at all and the team currently is worse in that regard but I'm not as worried about it as others.. We have more important players to worry about... I'm not going to complain... We have 3 Super Bowl appearances with 2 won in the last 10 years Howie can do his thing he's got the benefit of the doubt from me

6 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

Sweat and Willimas aren't the issue.  95% of real Eagle fans knew they were gone.  About 75% of real Eagle fans figured Becton would be gone.  It is the semi-starters, real quality depth guys that bother me.  Rodgers and Burks signed for the NFL equivalent of chump change.  They were important pieces.  Same with Fred Johnson.  Hope he comes back but Howie apparently doesn't want to pay anything to guys like that.  Burks signed for 2.5 M a year.  I would bet Howie never even made him an offer.

Rodgers & Burks were affordable, so that tells me Fangio simply didn't want them.

 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Nevertheless Howie traded a starting safety for a struggling linemen. That’s almost as bad as trading a starting running back for a struggling linebacker. Do you believe this makes the team better? 

I don't think looking at that trade in those terms is particularly informative, more likely we shopped CJGJ around and all we got was offers of low picks, so Howie asked the coaches and scouts is there anybody on these teams that might be worth asking about as a makeweight in the deal, Green is a name that came up and the Texans were content to do it.

CJGJ was a middling starting Safety, he's nowhere near the best or worst. He wasn't good in coverage for loong stretches last year, my guess is Brown and / or a rookie won't be that much of a drop off following a full pre season installation with the 1's. 

Green is a high upside lottery ticket, if Stout gets him to get nearer to his scouted talent level coming out of college, you've potentially unearthed a diamond,  if he doesn't work out, you can cut him without much in terms of cap consequences. He's a camp body lineman with a shot at the roster.

Well, has Howie earned the right to be trusted? That's the question. He said the offseason would look weird at 1st, but the roster isn't completed- he will keep unfolding his plan through training camp. Do we trust him? Has he earned the right to be trusted? Well, for me- I have to say yes, he has.... and let the sheeeeit fall where it may.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I don't think looking at that trade in those terms is particularly informative, more likely we shopped CJGJ around and all we got was offers of low picks, so Howie asked the coaches and scouts is there anybody on these teams that might be worth asking about as a makeweight in the deal, Green is a name that came up and the Texans were content to do it.

CJGJ was a middling starting Safety, he's nowhere near the best or worst. He wasn't good in coverage for loong stretches last year, my guess is Brown and / or a rookie won't be that much of a drop off following a full pre season installation with the 1's. 

Green is a high upside lottery ticket, if Stout gets him to get nearer to his scouted talent level coming out of college, you've potentially unearthed a diamond,  if he doesn't work out, you can cut him without much in terms of cap consequences. He's a camp body lineman with a shot at the roster.

What you’re basically saying is the Eagles got worse at two positions. S and RG. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

What you’re basically saying is the Eagles got worse at two positions. S and RG. 

No what I'm basically saying is you're wetting your pants and stamping your feet about ordinary talents, I don't think Green is going to be anywhere near starting at Guard, but I think if Becton was actually rated that highly by the league at large he'd have signed somewhere by now, I think he's upgradeable, his pass protection is nowhere close to his run blocking and it caused problems last year.

 

On 3/11/2025 at 8:06 AM, PhillyPhreak24 said:

This one is surprising. CJ is young and a good player. 12 INTs in two seasons as an Eagle. It's not easy to get that kind of production in the secondary. Perhaps they feel good about Sydney moving into a starting role, but he doesn't have the kind of range and versatility that CJ has. Not a fan of this one.

CJ has been traded by more teams than a baseball card at the convention. He is extremely disrupting not only on the field but in the locker room. If Vic is OK with letting him go, then so should every Eagles fan.

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

No what I'm basically saying is you're wetting your pants and stamping your feet about ordinary talents, I don't think Green is going to be anywhere near starting at Guard, but I think if Becton was actually rated that highly by the league at large he'd have signed somewhere by now, I think he's upgradeable, his pass protection is nowhere close to his run blocking and it caused problems last year.

 

I am not showing the outrage you assume, but I am stating that this team isn’t better today than it was yesterday and acting like some guy coming in from one of the worst lines in football last year is somehow an upgrade over the 25 year old guard the Eagles ALREADY developed is nonsense. With that being the case I certainly expect the Eagles to lose players. I didn’t expect them to add to that loss and bring little back in return. You can down play it all you like. This roster isn’t better, but I’m still willing to let this all play out. The bottom line is CJGJ got traded more for money saving and not cause some guard who struggled last year is some guaranteed or even an assumed upgrade.

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

Rodgers & Burks were affordable, so that tells me Fangio simply didn't want them.

 

7.5 mil a year is not affordable

I don't like this not one bit. He was a spark for the defense, in reality the main one who could generate turnovers. He wasn't agreaid to be aggressive. I thought he was a very good player, still young, still maturing. CJGJ is the type of player you keep.

But, I also understand the business aspects and future contract implications. Brown isn't a playmaker. 

On 3/13/2025 at 1:30 AM, seengreen said:

I don't like this not one bit. He was a spark for the defense, in reality the main one who could generate turnovers. He wasn't agreaid to be aggressive. I thought he was a very good player, still young, still maturing. CJGJ is the type of player you keep.

But, I also understand the business aspects and future contract implications. Brown isn't a playmaker. 

Yeah I’m still not a fan of this trade. CJGJ was a really good important player for us (as much if not more so off the field than on) and he’s going to be missed. I also don’t think we got very good value in return as Green just isn’t a good player so it’s a huge projection even for Stout to fix him.

CJ was a 8 1/2 mil a year salary dump.  We don't have the money.  We found a team that would take his contract and give Stouts some clay to mold.  

On 3/12/2025 at 7:02 PM, weko said:

7.5 mil a year is not affordable

For a starting outside #2 CB opposite a future All-Pro outside #1 CB it certainly is.  Not even a question.  Rodgers shined there anytime Slay went down.   

On 3/15/2025 at 11:55 AM, weko said:

CJ was a 8 1/2 mil a year salary dump.  We don't have the money.  We found a team that would take his contract and give Stouts some clay to mold.  

No he wasn’t.  The move saves us 250k in cap this season.   The move makes zero sense. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

No he wasn’t.  The move saves us 250k in cap this season.   The move makes zero sense. 

It was BY FAR the the worst move or non-move this off-season considering there is currently no backup plan and Brown/McCollum are barely capable 3rd safeties and Cine had such a bad injury it almost ended his career.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

For a starting outside #2 CB opposite a future All-Pro outside #1 CB it certainly is.  Not even a question.  Rodgers shined there anytime Slay went down.   

Agreed that 7.5 is a fair salary for a starting corner but we are saving big money for our core guys long term.  Howie did not identify Rodgers as a long term core piece. 

I would expect us to draft an outside corner in the 2nd or 3rd round.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

No he wasn’t.  The move saves us 250k in cap this season.   The move makes zero sense. 

Overthecap dot com has CJ's trade saving $4,844,000 on the cap

54 minutes ago, weko said:

Overthecap dot com has CJ's trade saving $4,844,000 on the cap

Not this season - not after the cap hit we take from Kenyon Green - it nets us $250k in cap savings for 2025. 

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Not this season - not after the cap hit we take from Kenyon Green - it nets us $250k in cap savings for 2025. 

Green's contract is only $1,380,465  this season. Are you sure you're not subtracting his 2024 number?

8 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Not this season - not after the cap hit we take from Kenyon Green - it nets us $250k in cap savings for 2025. 

The Texans are paying slightly more than half of Greens's salary.  We are paying less than 1.4 mil for him

Bottom line we have spent way more in future cap dollars than any other team, more than a full year's cap amount.  Howie has embraced the current formula to lock up core long term building blocks at market rates, have players on rookie deals and select vets at under 2 mil a year. That leaves no room for the middle class.  Goedert will go next with a 5 for a 4 or for a 4 in a future draft.  We have overspent in a big way and it got us a championship so it was well worth it.  Now comes the belt tightening and shrewd decisions to keep the core intact acquire as many draft picks as possible as they are cheap players for 4 years.  Draft well prioritizing premium positions and sign select cheap vets to fill holes for a year.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Green's contract is only $1,380,465  this season. Are you sure you're not subtracting his 2024 number?

 

2 hours ago, weko said:

The Texans are paying slightly more than half of Greens's salary.  We are paying less than 1.4 mil for him

.  Not sure how it worked out that way but we still take his cap hit for 2025.