4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

the double 'U' got me 😀

Lindy Booth!!!!

Attempt 2

50 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Can you share what it already knew from a general perspective without Procus details to help the rest of us get a bit more of an understanding?

I'm going to PM you a screenshot of the response to my initial prompt (get ready to spit out your milk). There's no PII or anything, but I just don't feel like being a D, so I'm not going to post it on the board without @Procus 's permission.

Suffice it to say that that the response looks like something that would be posted by a CVON regular and even includes a prominent member's signature. It's funny and... creepy.

Also, OP may not believe this, but I regret that the thread was hijacked this badly. I was just doing my normal "thing" and it snowballed. I suggest we let him have his topic back and if we need to discuss the privacy of the board we can maybe find another thread.

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Attempt 2

Chat GPT thinks @Arthur Jackson plays for the Miami Dolphins

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Chat GPT thinks @Arthur Jackson plays for the Miami Dolphins

and is a 70's porn star apparently

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

and is a 70's porn star apparently

That’s what I told the prompt

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The new board looks weird

In a week you'll be used to an the old boards would look weird to you.

If you're not happy with the default Dark Mode, go to your account settings, and in the bottom right hand corner, you can toggle to light mode. Should look more to what you're used to.

52 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Attempt 2

18 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Laces out

4 hours ago, Procus said:

In a week you'll be used to an the old boards would look weird to you.

If you're not happy with the default Dark Mode, go to your account settings, and in the bottom right hand corner, you can toggle to light mode. Should look more to what you're used to.

It's not the color theme, it's the formatting and button placement.

On 4/13/2025 at 2:55 PM, Procus said:

@Nice Work Pal first of all, that is a really strange name you picked for your handle here. I see you are reacting to posts - when do you plan to join the fray and actually say something? You deserve to be eviscerated just like everybody else here.

he's the board's, silent jay.

l

lol Fannie

According to Grok, the venue for the letitia james mortgage fraud case:

Allegations of mortgage fraud have been raised, primarily by media outlets and the Trump administration, leading to a criminal referral by the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) for investigation. Since no formal charges or case have been filed, I can provide a speculative analysis of the potential venue for such a case based on the allegations and standard legal principles for federal mortgage fraud cases.

Allegations Overview

The allegations, as reported, center on two main claims:

1. Virginia Property (2023): James allegedly misrepresented a Norfolk, Virginia, property as her principal residence in mortgage documents to secure a $219,780 loan, despite being a New York prosecutor and not relocating to Virginia. This could potentially violate federal fraud statutes (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 1014 for false statements on loan applications) if the declaration was knowingly false to obtain better loan terms.

2. Brooklyn Property (2001–2011): James is accused of misrepresenting her Brooklyn apartment building as a four-unit property on mortgage applications, including a 2011 Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP) loan, when official records show it has five units. This could also constitute mortgage fraud if the misrepresentation was intentional to secure favorable terms.

Additionally, there are claims about a 1983 and 2000 property transaction where James and her father were listed as "husband and wife” on mortgage documents, though these are less central to the fraud allegations and may be clerical errors or misinterpretations.

Potential Venue for a Federal Mortgage Fraud Case

If the DOJ pursues a federal mortgage fraud case based on these allegations, the venue would be determined by federal law and the specifics of the alleged crimes. Federal mortgage fraud is typically prosecuted in U.S. District Courts, and venue is governed by Article III of the U.S. Constitution, the Sixth Amendment, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 18, which require the trial to occur in the district where the crime was committed. Key considerations include:

1. Location of the Alleged Fraudulent Acts:

   • Virginia Property: The Norfolk, Virginia, property transaction occurred in August 2023, with mortgage documents signed for a property in Norfolk. If the alleged fraud involves false statements on the mortgage application submitted to a lender, the venue would likely be the Eastern District of Virginia (Norfolk Division), as this is where the property is located and where the loan documents were likely processed or submitted.

   • Brooklyn Property: The alleged misrepresentations about the Brooklyn property’s unit count occurred in New York, primarily tied to a 2011 HAMP loan application. This would likely place the venue in the Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn), where the property is located and where the mortgage applications were presumably submitted.

   • Interstate Elements: If the fraud involved interstate wire communications (e.g., submitting false documents to a lender across state lines), venue could potentially be in either district where the fraudulent act had an effect. For example, if the lender was based in a different state, venue might also be appropriate in that district. However, the primary venues would still be Virginia or New York based on the property locations.

2. Conspiracy or Multiple Acts:

   • If prosecutors frame the case as a conspiracy (e.g., under 18 U.S.C. § 371) involving multiple fraudulent transactions across Virginia and New York, venue could be in any district where an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy occurred. This could allow the case to be filed in either the Eastern District of Virginia or the Eastern District of New York, depending on prosecutorial strategy.

3. Federal Jurisdiction and HAMP Loan:

   • The HAMP loan allegations (Brooklyn property) involve a federal program administered by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, which strengthens federal jurisdiction. Since the alleged misrepresentations were made in New York for a property in Brooklyn, the Eastern District of New York would be the most likely venue for this component.

   • The Virginia property allegations involve a mortgage that may be backed by federal entities (e.g., Fannie Mae), further supporting federal jurisdiction in the Eastern District of Virginia.

4. Practical Prosecutorial Considerations:

   • DOJ’s Discretion: The DOJ, upon reviewing the FHFA referral, would decide where to file charges (if any). Prosecutors often choose the district with the strongest connection to the crime or where evidence and witnesses are most accessible. Given James’s prominence in New York, the Eastern District of New York might be preferred for the Brooklyn allegations to avoid perceptions of bias in a less familiar jurisdiction like Virginia.

   • Political Sensitivity: As James is a high-profile figure who prosecuted Donald Trump, the DOJ might opt for a venue perceived as neutral. The Eastern District of Virginia is known for its "rocket docket” (fast case processing) and could be chosen to expedite the case, though the Eastern District of New York is more directly tied to James’s actions as a New York official.

5. Residency and New York Law:

   • The Virginia allegations also raise questions about James’s residency status under New York law, which requires elected officials to maintain New York residency. If she declared Virginia as her principal residence, this could trigger a state-level inquiry into her eligibility to hold office, but this would be separate from a federal mortgage fraud case and handled in New York state courts, not federal courts.

Likely Venues

Based on the allegations:

• Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn): Most likely for the Brooklyn property allegations, especially the 2011 HAMP loan, as the property is located there, and the alleged misrepresentations were made in New York. This district is also where James serves as Attorney General, making it a natural fit for a case tied to her financial dealings in the state.

• Eastern District of Virginia (Norfolk Division): Likely for the Virginia property allegations, as the property and mortgage transaction are centered in Norfolk. This venue would be appropriate if the DOJ focuses on the alleged false residency declaration.

• Consolidated Case: If both sets of allegations are combined into a single case (e.g., as part of a broader fraud or conspiracy charge), the DOJ could choose either district, with the Eastern District of New York being more likely due to James’s prominence and the Brooklyn property’s longer history of alleged issues.

Current Status

As of now, the FHFA’s referral to the DOJ (reported April 15, 2025) is under review, but no indictment or formal case has been announced. The allegations stem from media reports and investigations by outlets like White Collar Fraud and The Gateway Pundit, which may not constitute sufficient evidence for prosecution without further corroboration. The DOJ’s decision to pursue charges will depend on the strength of the evidence, and any case would likely attract significant scrutiny given James’s role in prosecuting Trump.

good, bye felicia.

This is karma/irony of the highest level. She prosecutes Trump for falsifying records on loan applications, meanwhile she was doing the same thing. Prosecute her to the fullest extent of the law just like anyone would be.

This is going to be a fun little test for the Trumpers though. All I heard during Trump's case was how it was a "victimless crime" since he didn't default on the loans so no harm no foul. I'm sure they'll have the same opinion on this case....

8 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

This is karma/irony of the highest level. She prosecutes Trump for falsifying records on loan applications, meanwhile she was doing the same thing. Prosecute her to the fullest extent of the law just like anyone would be.

This is going to be a fun little test for the Trumpers though. All I heard during Trump's case was how it was a "victimless crime" since he didn't default on the loans so no harm no foul. I'm sure they'll have the same opinion on this case....

If you can't see the difference, you're either blind or ignorant of the facts

2 hours ago, Procus said:

If you can't see the difference, you're either blind or ignorant of the facts

Aaaand that's a quick F on the test for the first Trumper.

She lied on her loan application to get favorable lending terms. Trump also lied on his loan application to get favorable lending terms. Not much of a difference there.

Now, she faces additional problems because she's done work to the property over the years and listed the property as having 4 units instead of 5 in order to get around the building codes associated with 5 unit properties. Either that or she converted it to a 4 unit property without getting authorization to do so, in which case she faces penalties for that.

On 4/13/2025 at 4:16 PM, Dave Moss said:

Chapt GBT?