20 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

I may be the only one who thinks Huff could help the Eagles as a situational passs rusher with his hand in the dirt. He has a good win rate plus if you watchedf all of his snaps he can put pressure on the QB. He will never even come close to the value of his contract but that doesn't mean he couldn't help.

APR will provide them with that after an acclimation period through the Bye where he adapts his college-level pass rush game to the pro level.

He could be this year’s Hunt.

18 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Not that I was counting on Huff for much of anything in 2026 and this is obviously a good move for the birds. However, from a numbers perspective this leaves us kind of thin at edge rusher right now. Smith, Ojulari, Hunt, and Uche, that's it. I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring in Clowney or Smith at some point.

APR as well as Smith, Ojulari, Hunt, and Uche. KJ Henry and Patrick Johnson as well, but their contributions will probably be only in Training Camp.

14 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Any word on the pick yet?

"Mid round" I'm assuming means 4th or 5th?

I wonder if it's conditional?

I heard it is a conditional 5th that could become a 4th.

13 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Johnson is a special teamer. APR is a 6th round pick. Who in the blue hell even is Mathis. They are not deep at the position. This time last year they had Sweat, Huff (who they thought would be a double digit sack guy), Smith, BG, and Hunt. They were more proven and went five deep. I'd be very surprised if Howie is done adding here.

You are probably right, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Howie’s youth movement continues and he takes a wait and see how TC shakes out before making any decisions about moves.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

APR as well as Smith, Ojulari, Hunt, and Uche. KJ Henry and Patrick Johnson as well, but their contributions will probably be only in Training Camp.

What is not registering with you that APR is a 6th round pick who might not even make the team and Uche had been terrible for two years and might not make the team? Johnson is a special teamer, not a contributor on defense. I like Ojulari and Hunt but that is risky as a 2nd and 3rd edge rusher without a really good 4th option since Ojulari gets hurt a lot and Hunt still hasn't proven to be a guy who can be relied upon for a major role.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it was also his pass rush technique. Vic seemed to prefer a bull rush and a controlled rush lane.

Especially controlled rush lane. That is a key necessity in a light box 4-2-5.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

What is not registering with you that APR is a 6th round pick who might not even make the team and Uche had been terrible for two years and might not make the team? Johnson is a special teamer, not a contributor on defense. I like Ojulari and Hunt but that is risky as a 2nd and 3rd edge rusher without a really good 4th option since Ojulari gets hurt a lot and Hunt still hasn't proven to be a guy who can be relied upon for a major role.

Life is full of calculated risks. Howie is a master calculator.

That doesn’t mean I am oblivious to the points you have raised. They are all components in the risk calculation.

Regarding 6th Round picks, where a player was taken in the Draft is sunk costs at this point. How each player performs in Training Camp is all that matters now. Baum was a low level FA signing at this time last season. As they say, time will tell.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Life is full of calculated risks. Howie is a master calculator.

That doesn’t mean I am oblivious to the points you have raised. They are all components in the risk calculation.

Regarding 6th Round picks, where a player was taken in the Draft is sunk costs at this point. How each player performs in Training Camp is all that matters now. Baum was a low level FA signing at this time last season. As they say, time will tell.

Serious question, do you have a learning disability because it would explain a lot.

44 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Serious question, do you have a learning disability because it would explain a lot.

Serious question, why do you have to be a jerk because the guy disagrees with you about a football matter?

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Serious question, do you have a learning disability because it would explain a lot.

800 in my college boards and an MBA from Wharton does that answer your question

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

800 in my college boards and an MBA from Wharton does that answer your question

Don't feed trolls.

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

800 in my college boards...

that's terrible

Did you you bring two sharpened #2 pencils, get 8 hours sleep, and eat a complete breakfast?

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Life is full of calculated risks. Howie is a master calculator.

That doesn’t mean I am oblivious to the points you have raised. They are all components in the risk calculation.

Regarding 6th Round picks, where a player was taken in the Draft is sunk costs at this point. How each player performs in Training Camp is all that matters now. Baum was a low level FA signing at this time last season. As they say, time will tell.

I heard someone say yesterday (some youtuber) that they would have traded AWAY a low-rounder just to offload Huff and his cap money. I have to say, I agree. The fact that Howie got anything back at all is highway robbery.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Serious question, why do you have to be a jerk because the guy disagrees with you about a football matter?

If it were only that simple you would have a point. He constantly ignores people's points and just argues nonsense with a stubbornness and lack of awareness that is unrivaled.

57 minutes ago, mattwill said:

800 in my college boards and an MBA from Wharton does that answer your question

So it's just a complete lack of common sense and self awareness that plagues you, got it.

42 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

I heard someone say yesterday (some youtuber) that they would have traded AWAY a low-rounder just to offload Baun and his cap money. I have to say, I agree. The fact that Howie got anything back at all is highway robbery.

Baun?

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Baun?

umm... sry

huff

fixed thanks

16 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

If it were only that simple you would have a point. He constantly ignores people's points and just argues nonsense with a stubbornness and lack of awareness that is unrivaled.

I am never arguing for or against any points. I’m simply trying to get all the possible points out into the discussion and have those points batted around.

I don’t see this Board as a forum for competition, but rather a venue for education and an interchange of ideas. You appear to see it as the former rather than the latter.

I also believe that for most questions we deal with (and for that matter teams deal either) there is no "right” answer. So much of what we wrestle with is highly dependent on the assumptions we frame the question/issue with. You appear to believe there actually are "right” answers.

3 hours ago, T-1000 said:

What is not registering with you that APR is a 6th round pick who might not even make the team and Uche had been terrible for two years and might not make the team? Johnson is a special teamer, not a contributor on defense. I like Ojulari and Hunt but that is risky as a 2nd and 3rd edge rusher without a really good 4th option since Ojulari gets hurt a lot and Hunt still hasn't proven to be a guy who can be relied upon for a major role.

The reason people are higher on APR is because he has a very advanced set of pass rush tools coming out of college. He's got above average hand fighting skills. Can rush with counter moves, speed or power to speed. He was able to rush with straight power in college but I think he'll need to bulk up to continue to do so at the NFL level. I wouldn't expect a lot of bullrush. He will definitely be able to punch for leverage and then has a plethora of tools to get home. Very instinctive and cerebral pass rusher that can also drop into zone and cover.

I try not to get too excited about 6th round picks but he played for my favorite college team and I hope even half of it transitions to the NFL level.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

I am never arguing for or against any points. I’m simply trying to get all the possible points out into the discussion and have those points batted around.

I don’t see this Board as a forum for competition, but rather a venue for education and an interchange of ideas. You appear to see it as the former rather than the latter.

I also believe that for most questions we deal with (and for that matter teams deal either) there is no "right” answer. So much of what we wrestle with is highly dependent on the assumptions we frame the question/issue with. You appear to believe there actually are "right” answers.

I'm really glad you put that last line in your post because I was honestly going to say this even before I read that. You CONSTANTLY ignore facts that people bring to the table if it doesn't suit your point of view. Prime example, APR is a 6th round pick and counting on him to definitely make the team is foolish enough, but counting on him to have an impact and comparing him to Jalyx Hunt who was a 3rd round pick is just silly. 6th round picks VERY rarely ever make an impact let alone as a rookie and there is usually a reason why a guy goes in the 3rd round versus the 6th. That doesn't suit your narrative of constantly sucking the Eagles off though so you will ignore it and put whatever you spin you can find. It's a constant cycle with you and I see you go from person to person, argument to argument doing it. The Eagles are a great team and great organization who makes a lot of really good movies, but they are far from perfect and denying that the edge rusher position is a question mark heading into the season and not as proven or deep as this time last year is simply ignoring facts.

1 hour ago, Vileborg said:

The reason people are higher on APR is because he has a very advanced set of pass rush tools coming out of college. He's got above average hand fighting skills. Can rush with counter moves, speed or power to speed. He was able to rush with straight power in college but I think he'll need to bulk up to continue to do so at the NFL level. I wouldn't expect a lot of bullrush. He will definitely be able to punch for leverage and then has a plethora of tools to get home. Very instinctive and cerebral pass rusher that can also drop into zone and cover.

I try not to get too excited about 6th round picks but he played for my favorite college team and I hope even half of it transitions to the NFL level.

That's all well and good, he was a 6th round pick for a reason though and counting on a 6th round pick to ever have a significant role, let alone as a rookie is foolish.

Hopefully a 2027 pick. A 5 would be great.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

I'm really glad you put that last line in your post because I was honestly going to say this even before I read that. You CONSTANTLY ignore facts that people bring to the table if it doesn't suit your point of view.

First off, I rarely have a point of view. I’m almost always asking Socratic questions in order to give the discussion more depth and dimension. However, when a respondent says, "That makes no sense …” or "You are wrong …” instead of "That’s an interesting perspective, but have you considered …” I definitely place the original idea back on the table for further consideration/discussion. The more perspectives there are on the table the better. More is more.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Prime example, APR is a 6th round pick and counting on him to definitely make the team is foolish enough, but counting on him to have an impact and comparing him to Jalyx Hunt who was a 3rd round pick is just silly. 6th round picks VERY rarely ever make an impact let alone as a rookie and there is usually a reason why a guy goes in the 3rd round versus the 6th.

Tom Brady was a 6th Round pick. The 6th Round when Kenny Gainwell was selected produced more than four starters, one of whom was All-Pro. So never say never. Looking at a player’s Draft status is looking backward, and the one thing we know about history is that we can’t change it.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

That doesn't suit your narrative of constantly sucking the Eagles off though

Explain. When have I ever sucked the Eagles off?

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

So you will ignore it and put whatever you spin you can find. It's a constant cycle with you and I see you go from person to person, argument to argument doing it.

Again, you are confusing my putting concepts for discussion out on the table with personal advocacy. I frequently put ideas I personally disagree with into the conversation so that the conversation will be richer. Socrates was a master of that, and my undergraduate degree is in Ancient History.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

The Eagles are a great team and great organization who makes a lot of really good movies, but they are far from perfect and denying that the edge rusher position is a question mark heading into the season and not as proven or deep as this time last year is simply ignoring facts.

When have I ever said the Eagles were perfect? Ted Williams is considered by many, many fans to be the best hitter of all time … the GOAT. And he only succeeded 4 times out of 10. Today’s hitters rarely succeed 3 times out of 10. Out of every 10 actions/decisions, how many do the Eagles succeed in?

I will very gladly admit that I am an optimist at heart … with a smile on my face.

On 5/30/2025 at 4:53 PM, time2rock said:

I think it was more of a case that he got into Vic’s doghouse early on and the didn’t work his tail off to get out of it. It’s best for both parties that we move him.

This and he's a poor run defender. Had he been an every down player, I have no doubt he would've had 6-7 sacks last year. Unfortunately, however, the run defense would have severely suffered and it might have cost us a game or two. He'll probably put up some numbers in SF, but numbers don't win championships.

8 hours ago, T-1000 said:

What is not registering with you that APR is a 6th round pick who might not even make the team and Uche had been terrible for two years and might not make the team? Johnson is a special teamer, not a contributor on defense. I like Ojulari and Hunt but that is risky as a 2nd and 3rd edge rusher without a really good 4th option since Ojulari gets hurt a lot and Hunt still hasn't proven to be a guy who can be relied upon for a major role.

Where a guy is drafted is irrelevant. In 2014, Marcus Smith was a 1st round pick. Dion Jordan was the 3rd player taken (by Miami) the year before. Max Crosby and Josh Sweat were 4th round picks. Trent Cole was a 5th rd pick. Yes, APR was a 6th round pick in a draft where edge rushers were considered a strength (https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-draft-strongest-position-group-weakest). Most draft analysts considered APR a good value pick in the 6th round of this deep edge class. In a weaker positional pool, he might have gone earlier. There just happened to be a lot of appealing prospects to scouts this year.

You are correct in that we don't yet know how he will pan out or how the others will either. I wouldn't bet any money on Uche making the final roster. I still believe Vic may see how he looks off-ball as opposed to OLB. That will probably be his best path to our 53. But that is another room that is a bit crowded now.

One point I have made that you seem to be shrugging off is that Jihaad Campbell is likely going to play at least some OLB. He's a 1st round pick if that makes you feel better. I expect the Eagles to work him early at both ILB and OLB. Most scouts / analysts are suggesting he's a better OLB prospect long term. With his coverage ability, that's perfect clay for Fangio to work with.

As for Smith and Hunt, I believe both players are ahead of schedule in their development. Smith appears to be a future pro-bowler. Hunt proved very capable the more he played. There is no reason for me to doubt either player at this time. In 4 seasons, Ojulari has 9.5 more sacks than Milton Williams. He should be able to provide solid play when called upon. Basically, we have 3 positional (DE/OLB) openings for sure. We have to replace Sweat (8 sacks last season), BG (3.5 sacks) and Huff (2.5 sacks). The guys we are looking to as replacements are Campbell, Ojulari, APR, Uche, and Johnson --- not counting Hunt. I'm really not seeing the same level of concern as you.