10 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Well, that makes more sense to me than our previous interaction. I don’t think the term MAGA can be part of any administration going forward. I’m also including the extreme left into that equation. Neither should be an option if we survive this mess. Radical on BOTH sides is terrible for the America that we should aim for. There’s plenty of faults on the left that I disagree with and maybe they will learn a lesson of not going to extremes either.

One thing is for certain though, this lunacy has to end and we need a major check of this administration with the mid terms. It’s never a good idea to have the levers of power in ONE hand.

In all honesty, F all that. We better see retribution from the left. All the kindness and hand outs that the left has given rural America need to stop. Tear up the broadband we gave them. Send troops into rural towns to clean up the meth problem. No more money for red taker states that waste taxpayer money and give us nothing back. Anything levied against the cities needs to be returned to red strongholds.

Now realistically I don't think it'll come to all that because I don't think this administration is ever relinquishing power, which is why it'd be a miracle if we avoid civil war. But if there's an election, I can guarantee you the Dem primary (much like the Rep primary in 2016) will hinge on who hates the right the most and who has a plan to return the favor.

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

IDK man, it’s not for lack of trying, he’s a contender for the Silver. He’s still on the podium.

IMO, i think there is a difference between admitting your vote for trump didn't bring about the results you'd hoped for while still blaming the left vs justifying trump's actions and looking like sloth, cleetus, meg and others.

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i will give HE credit for one thing; he isn't trying to win gold in mental gymnastics like the cvon cucks.

That plus he put his hand in the air. Diehard will do that at some point as well. None of the others will ever admit it.

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This Greenland situation is extremely regrettable.

Is there anything else that is bothering you or just Greenland?

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

IMO, i think there is a difference between admitting your vote for trump didn't bring about the results you'd hoped for while still blaming the left vs justifying trump's actions and looking like sloth, cleetus, meg and others.

I get people who can't vote for this Democratic party, because frankly they've gone nuts (but on a much smaller scale). And unfortunately the response by the left to Trump seems to be to move even further to the left -- California's proposed wealth tax being an obvious example. The door is wide open for a moderate Democrat to dominate the next Presidential election, but that person would never survive the primaries. We're going to get AOC vs. Vance or some other ridiculous matchup of unqualified ideologues.

I voted for Harris, hoping she'd win and force the GOP to abandon MAGA; Trump winning makes clear that the fiscally conservative party I supported is dead. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Democrat in a national election. In 2028 I'll vote Libertarian or just skip it.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I get people who can't vote for this Democratic party, because frankly they've gone nuts (but on a much smaller scale). And unfortunately the response by the left to Trump seems to be to move even further to the left -- California's proposed wealth tax being an obvious example. The door is wide open for a moderate Democrat to dominate the next Presidential election, but that person would never survive the primaries. We're going to get AOC vs. Vance or some other ridiculous matchup of unqualified ideologues.

I voted for Harris, hoping she'd win and force the GOP to abandon MAGA; Trump winning makes clear that the fiscally conservative party I supported is dead. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Democrat in a national election. In 2028 I'll vote Libertarian or just skip it.

i didn't vote for either this time around. that doesn't always sit well with me when i see the BS going on, but not voting is still making a choice.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I get people who can't vote for this Democratic party, because frankly they've gone nuts (but on a much smaller scale). And unfortunately the response by the left to Trump seems to be to move even further to the left -- California's proposed wealth tax being an obvious example. The door is wide open for a moderate Democrat to dominate the next Presidential election, but that person would never survive the primaries. We're going to get AOC vs. Vance or some other ridiculous matchup of unqualified ideologues.

I voted for Harris, hoping she'd win and force the GOP to abandon MAGA; Trump winning makes clear that the fiscally conservative party I supported is dead. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Democrat in a national election. In 2028 I'll vote Libertarian or just skip it.

Harris was a very real chance for moderation. She tacked to the center, embraced a bunch of Republicans, and essentially set the battle lines as moderate vs. radical. Trump bringing RFK into his camp even made that contrast more stark, to the point that a bunch of raving psycho far leftists (my brother included), voted for Trump because of RFK (and now they all regret the sheet out of their vote, but too late a-holes).

But moderation lost to radicalism. And there's no way the Dems will ever use that strategy again. The country's too radical. It would be suicidal to try it at this point.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Is there anything else that is bothering you or just Greenland?

I imagine if he finds threatening NATO countries with invasion and effectively dismantling our role as the center of the global economy "regrettable" he surely finds the executive branch taking direct control of the Federal Reserve and shittily trained federal troops with virtually no oversight going house to house asking for people's papers under threat of violence, "kind of a bummer"

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I imagine if he finds threatening NATO countries with invasion and effectively dismantling our role as the center of the global economy "regrettable" he surely finds the executive branch taking direct control of the Federal Reserve and shittily trained federal troops with virtually no oversight going house to house asking for people's papers under threat of violence, "kind of a bummer"

Perhaps. Let's see what he says.

At the request of Denmark, I have decided that France will participate in the joint exercises organized by Denmark in Greenland, Operation Arctic Endurance.

The first French military personnel are already en route. Others will follow.

17 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

In all honesty, F all that. We better see retribution from the left. All the kindness and hand outs that the left has given rural America need to stop. Tear up the broadband we gave them. Send troops into rural towns to clean up the meth problem. No more money for red taker states that waste taxpayer money and give us nothing back. Anything levied against the cities needs to be returned to red strongholds.

Now realistically I don't think it'll come to all that because I don't think this administration is ever relinquishing power, which is why it'd be a miracle if we avoid civil war. But if there's an election, I can guarantee you the Dem primary (much like the Rep primary in 2016) will hinge on who hates the right the most and who has a plan to return the favor.

I don’t think this will solve anything. I wish we could just get over this retribution thing from either side. Of course Trump has taken it to levels never ever seen before. I think the left can adopt some strength that the right seems to always have without retribution. If they go the same route but in red states then we might as well end the union now.

The realistic part is going to be the ball game. If they don’t relinquish power, then we’ll have that civil war you’ve been mentioning. That will get very ugly and let’s all hope sanity wins before we go that route.

My preference wouldn’t be a Dem who hates the right the most. We need a moderate from either party to somehow get back to some neutral ground. Anything extreme from either party will divide us even more. It’s not sustainable and will end badly.

End the cycle of hate!

25 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That plus he put his hand in the air. Diehard will do that at some point as well. None of the others will ever admit it.

He’s another guy who has actually admitted things that were wrong. That’s the basis for any reasonable discussion IMO.

15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Harris was a very real chance for moderation. She tacked to the center, embraced a bunch of Republicans, and essentially set the battle lines as moderate vs. radical. Trump bringing RFK into his camp even made that contrast more stark, to the point that a bunch of raving psycho far leftists (my brother included), voted for Trump because of RFK (and now they all regret the sheet out of their vote, but too late a-holes).

But moderation lost to radicalism. And there's no way the Dems will ever use that strategy again. The country's too radical. It would be suicidal to try it at this point.

I know what you mean and understand your viewpoint. I just can’t believe we cannot find a moderate from either party and have to settle for radical. That is not appealing to anyone in the middle..

1 minute ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

He’s another guy who has actually admitted things that were wrong. That’s the basis for any reasonable discussion IMO.

Unfortunately he'd follow up those moments of lucidity with some of the absolute most unhinged rants within a weeks to days of each other. He's done it multiple times. Makes it hard to take some like that's "Mea Culpa" seriously.

2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I don’t think this will solve anything. I wish we could just get over this retribution thing from either side. Of course Trump has taken it to levels never ever seen before. I think the left can adopt some strength that the right seems to always have without retribution. If they go the same route but in red states then we might as well end the union now.

The realistic part is going to be the ball game. If they don’t relinquish power, then we’ll have that civil war you’ve been mentioning. That will get very ugly and let’s all hope sanity wins before we go that route.

My preference wouldn’t be a Dem who hates the right the most. We need a moderate from either party to somehow get back to some neutral ground. Anything extreme from either party will divide us even more. It’s not sustainable and will end badly.

End the cycle of hate!

Again, moderation was tried the last time. It lost.

16 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Harris was a very real chance for moderation. She tacked to the center, embraced a bunch of Republicans, and essentially set the battle lines as moderate vs. radical. Trump bringing RFK into his camp even made that contrast more stark, to the point that a bunch of raving psycho far leftists (my brother included), voted for Trump because of RFK (and now they all regret the sheet out of their vote, but too late a-holes).

But moderation lost to radicalism. And there's no way the Dems will ever use that strategy again. The country's too radical. It would be suicidal to try it at this point.

It's just not gonna happen again. It's a losing strategy. I mean, I'm not even interested in the far left's wish list stuff (and neither are most Dem voters), but retribution will be the only way the Dems are gonna vote until the right drops their MAGA bent, which has one guiding principal and it's that they hate the left and want them to pay.

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Again, moderation was tried the last time. It lost.

You talking about Harris?

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

You talking about Harris?

Yeah

10 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

He’s another guy who has actually admitted things that were wrong. That’s the basis for any reasonable discussion IMO.

diehard is still in the, "hey im here to post about the eagles, not my mistake at the voting booth" stage.

27 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I get people who can't vote for this Democratic party, because frankly they've gone nuts (but on a much smaller scale). And unfortunately the response by the left to Trump seems to be to move even further to the left -- California's proposed wealth tax being an obvious example. The door is wide open for a moderate Democrat to dominate the next Presidential election, but that person would never survive the primaries. We're going to get AOC vs. Vance or some other ridiculous matchup of unqualified ideologues.

I voted for Harris, hoping she'd win and force the GOP to abandon MAGA; Trump winning makes clear that the fiscally conservative party I supported is dead. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Democrat in a national election. In 2028 I'll vote Libertarian or just skip it.

This is the biggest problem of the Dems right now. They need to offer an alternative to the craziness and it’s not going more crazy to the left. It’s gotta be towards the middle of the spectrum, but both sides are so dug in that it will be almost impossible to break the stalemate of idiocracy.

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Yeah

That's a really bad example to use given everything with Biden and the very short campaign plus Harris is horrible.

I disagree with you 100%. The way to win is to grab the middle in combination with restoring the old class based angle allowing poor Latino and poor Whitey back in the tent. These things are won on the margins in the middle and Trump won those last time. Focus on the economy.

win? hell, id be happy with just not losing as a country.

55 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

IMO, i think there is a difference between admitting your vote for trump didn't bring about the results you'd hoped for while still blaming the left vs justifying trump's actions and looking like sloth, cleetus, meg and others.

Yeah, he has at least shows some signs of regret, but his vote still carries the same weight as the ones who are still neck deep in trumps arse.

24 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

This is the biggest problem of the Dems right now. They need to offer an alternative to the craziness and it’s not going more crazy to the left. It’s gotta be towards the middle of the spectrum, but both sides are so dug in that it will be almost impossible to break the stalemate of idiocracy.

While I agree with you in principle, the past 3 Democratic POTUS candidates were all relatively moderate and look where we are now. The real lefties are at the congressional and gubernatorial level which is much harder for the party as a whole to reign in, but they've actively weeded out the Bernie and Warren and even Cory Booker types in presidential races. And yet they have nothing to show for it. I understand Vans argument that a likable lefty populist might have a better chance at actually winning now, which is sad.

16 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wasnt afraid to vote for him again after his first term. This term is far more unhinged. This saga fills me with regret.

I hate to say I told you so, but…

38 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

win? hell, id be happy with just not losing as a country.

At this point, that means having MAGA lose. Style points don't count. Just win.

Of course, it is very likely MAGA will cheat by whatever means necessary.