The most plausible item you could put in the favor of BP agents in this incident is if the victim's gun going off spooked one of them.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

You need to get beyond what you see in the video and what any reasonable person would be doing. If one of those ICE agents is yelling for him to put his hand behind his back and he's down on all fours then LE will have no issues with charging him with passive resistance. The charge is basically used by every cop who desperately wants a reason to detain or arrest when they can't find a crime that's actually happened.

Well that's ridiculous. First, there is no time for that to be the case. Second, he's got four guys taking him down.

Nope, not accepting that and I don't think a jury would do so either. They can say what they want but they would be wrong in this case.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

The most plausible item you could put in the favor of BP agents in this incident is if the victim's gun going off spooked one of them.

That wouldn't fly in court. Being "spooked" is not a legal reason to deny someone their right to life when the person is prone on the ground. There has to be a reasonable fear.

Just now, mayanh8 said:

That wouldn't fly in court. Being "spooked" is not a legal reason to deny someone their right to life when the person is prone on the ground. There has to be a reasonable fear.

I agree but I can hear the argument that could be made. It is certainly a FAR better argument then trying to claim resistance in this case.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Well that's ridiculous. First, there is no time for that to be the case. Second, he's got four guys taking him down.

Nope, not accepting that and I don't think a jury would do so either. They can say what they want but they would be wrong in this case.

Passive resistance isn't, legally, reason enough to use lethal force. I'm just saying that if Alex lived, ICE could probably have charged him with that because it's so ambiguous.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Passive resistance isn't, legally, reason enough to use lethal force. I'm just saying that if Alex lived, ICE could probably have charged him with that because it's so ambiguous.

Well I disagree with you. It isn't ambiguous. He's got four guys, restraining him, and bringing him down and shooting him within two or three seconds. He has no chance to resist to anything. Four agents restraining him and one telling him to get down (if that was the case) doesn't offer him a chance to resist in a two second time frame. That's just a load of bullsheet.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Well I disagree with you. It isn't ambiguous. He's got four guys, restraining him, and bringing him down and shooting him within two or three seconds. He has no chance to resist to anything. Four agents restraining him and one telling him to get down (if that was the case) doesn't offer him a chance to resist in a two second time frame. That's just a load of bullsheet.

The charge itself is BS but that doesn't stop law enforcement from abusing it every minute of every day.

Just now, mayanh8 said:

The charge itself is BS but that doesn't stop law enforcement from abusing it every minute of every day.

It is at the same gaslighting level as saying Pretti was a domestic terrorist and it should be roundly rejected as being equally absurd.

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Yeah... i very rarely will ever put someone on ignore, even a MAGA moron, but if lynchedbot3000 has malfunctioned to the point that all he can do is ultraspam lies over and over then I'm taking the plunge.

Already done. He's just too dumb and full of hate to give attention to anymore.

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

For those confused about Pretti firing the gun…

First, compare clothing. Pretti is wearing a dark brown jacket. The agent in a tan jacket. Also, despite being in winter clothing, the agent appears to be quite a bit stockier than Pretti.

Pretti never fired or reached for his gun.

You're just not playing close enough attention to the part of the video with Pretti swaps clothes with the agent like a Penn & Teller magic trick.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

The charge itself is BS but that doesn't stop law enforcement from abusing it every minute of every day.

Yep, this is why Daniel Shaver's killer escaped punishment.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

The most plausible item you could put in the favor of BP agents in this incident is if the victim's gun going off spooked one of them.

So… manslaughter.

For the 1st shot fired. And then?

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The most plausible item you could put in the favor of BP agents in this incident is if the victim's gun going off spooked one of them.

The counter point to that being that they shouldn't have been assaulting the dude in the first place for filming with his phone. The gun is irrelevant until they made it relevant.

11 hours ago, lynched1 said:

The professional protesters are putting bad ideas into peoples heads.

Who the F would think pulling a sidearm was a good idea in this situation?

Now Im waiting to hear "yeah but".

11 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Pretti fired the gun.

The left will continue to throw bodies at this.

Means justify the end.

You're so brainwashed that you can't even believe video evidence. Amazing

It was impossible for him to fire the gun. Noem and the maga cult blatantly lie and you guys just believe them when there's actual video evidence. Truly amazing

18 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

The counter point to that being that they shouldn't have been assaulting the dude in the first place for filming with his phone. The gun is irrelevant until they made it relevant.

The ICE agents created the confrontation in the first place. What type of person pushes a women like that? It's not like a crowd was forming and he was trying to create space. What's lost in all of this is how needlessly aggressive these people are. What are they even trying to accomplish?

10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

The riots, brought to you by....

Omar, whose community has stolen billions of dollars from the American people, has reportedly gone from being worth $51,000 in 2023 to as much as $30 million now.

Now do this for Trump……

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You're so brainwashed that you can't even believe video evidence. Amazing

It was impossible for him to fire the gun. Noem and the maga cult blatantly lie and you guys just believe them when there's actual video evidence. Truly amazing

"I didnt watch the three videos from three different angles, because cartoons and libs and stuff. Derp."

One of the lesser discussed attempted murders by ICE

11 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

This nuclear waste science experiment actually thinks that's Pretti's hand carrying the gun away from the situation.

No way this dude can even dress himself in the morning.

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree but I can hear the argument that could be made. It is certainly a FAR better argument then trying to claim resistance in this case.

Any god prosecutor would paint a picture of these agents being ultra MAGA and looking for any excuse at all to murder "libtards". It's not a hard picture to paint because that is exactly what is happening.

Say the gun they removed from him did go off, it's still murder. Shouldn't have attacked him in the first place. No reason to remove the gun. And it wasn't in a position for him to fire it. It's a moot point, regardless of whether or not it is a very very very dumb moot point (it is).

They had a beef with that woman for whatever reason then got really pisssed off when Pretti went to help her up, so they started beating on him. In the course of beating the ish out of him, his shirt came up showing the gun. One of the ICE guys screams gun and you can see the other one immediately thinks "this is my excuse to kill him". He then grabs his head and shoots him through the back of the head point blank execution style, and his buddies get their shots off. Its all on camera. Your friend there is just trolling so you'll talk to him. Yes, he's that sad and pathetic.

Just now, Gannan said:

They had a beef with that woman for whatever reason then got really pisssed off when Pretti went to help her up, so they started beating on him. In the course of beating the ish out of him, his shirt came up showing the gun. One of the ICE guys screams gun and you can see the other one immediately thinks "this is my excuse to kill him". He then grabs his head and shoots him through the back of the head point blank execution style, and his buddies get their shots off. Its all on camera. Your friend there is just trolling so you'll talk to him. Yes, he's that sad and pathetic.

Was the first shot really in the back of the head? I thought they shot him in the back.

12 hours ago, lynched1 said:

The professional protesters are putting bad ideas into peoples heads.

Who the F would think pulling a sidearm was a good idea in this situation?

Now Im waiting to hear "yeah but".

12 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Pretti fired the gun.

The left will continue to throw bodies at this.

Means justify the end.

12 hours ago, lynched1 said:

You can see the gun in his hand.

Whether he meant to discharge his sidearm or not, the cosplay commando got himself killed.

Congratulations.

It's the next day and this is still as hilarious as when I first read it.