NOTW Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I hate this argument for a couple reasons. First, you can think an action is wrong that doesn't mean you have to be responsible for it. The parents who choose (their bodies, their choice) to have sex without protection are responsible. Not anyone else. You can be against animal abuse or murder but that doesn't mean you have to have a dog. You can be against drunk driving but doesn't mean you have to give free rides to drunks. Against looting doesn't mean you have to give them your stuff instead. Against robbing banks, doesn't mean you have to give the robber your money to pay their bills. People are responsible for their own actions and choices. Second, there ARE a lot of people who foster and adopt. I worked for a non-profit foster and adoption agency. I have many friends and family who adopt and are foster parents. There are waiting lists for babies to the point that many adopt from other countries. I do agree on older kids it's sad that more don't foster or adopt them but even so there are charities and programs for them as well. Look at charities and volunteers that serve children's needs from medical care, shelters for families, foster and adoption, counseling, education, etc. "Don't give a ish about them?" That's a lazy ignorant narrative and a distraction from irresponsible people getting pregnant and wanting to get rid of the baby. That's on THEM. Where I can agree are things like cutting programs or "not caring about kids in cages at the border" type situations. But to make blanket statements that pro-life people don't care about kids is incredibly ignorant and lazy. 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobeph Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 TLDNR. OP should have been aborted! that was a hard joke, even for me. Love you @Mama (wegotfive)! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, bobeph said: TLDNR. OP should have been aborted! that was a hard joke, even for me. Love you @Mama (wegotfive)! You're supposed to drink the White Claw, not shove the can up your butthole. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, NOTW said: You're supposed to drink the White Claw, not shove the can up your butthole. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hukdonfoniks Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Because then I have to get a tetanus shot afterwards. Ain't that right, Gaylord Focker?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said: Because then I have to get a tetanus shot afterwards. Ain't that right, Gaylord Focker?! What’s one more object penetrating your arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the Walrus Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 So much straw that not either worth typing a response. Let's just start with the right wings hypocrisy and say that's one thing. Also like the rights other genius plans banning abortions will work about as well as prohibition, the war on drugs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hukdonfoniks Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: What’s one more object penetrating your arse? It means the world if we're treating bobeph's cornhole like a recycling bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said: So much straw that not either worth typing a response. Let's just start with the right wings hypocrisy and say that's one thing. Also like the rights other genius plans banning abortions will work about as well as prohibition, the war on drugs, etc. Agreed. It will just lead to unsafe illegal abortions being performed like they were before 1973. Yikes. Rich people will fly overseas to get theirs "legally.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 15 hours ago, NOTW said: The parents who choose (their bodies, their choice) to have sex without protection are responsible. Not anyone else. Right here, you answered your own question. Of course the parents are responsible. To take a position that nobody else has any accountability to children, it shows you don't care. A child's life is worth so much more than to be a burden to someone after a night of passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, toolg said: Right here, you answered your own question. Of course the parents are responsible. To take a position that nobody else has any accountability to children, it shows you don't care. A child's life is worth so much more than to be a burden to someone after a night of passion. Burden? There's your problem. And you criticize people for not caring about children? Smh. Night of passion is more important than a child's life...a "burden?" And maybe I worded it poorly. Parents are responsible. But as I noted, people do care and help children... 16 hours ago, NOTW said: Second, there ARE a lot of people who foster and adopt. I worked for a non-profit foster and adoption agency. I have many friends and family who adopt and are foster parents. There are waiting lists for babies to the point that many adopt from other countries. I do agree on older kids it's sad that more don't foster or adopt them but even so there are charities and programs for them as well. Look at charities and volunteers that serve children's needs from medical care, shelters for families, foster and adoption, counseling, education, etc. " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NOTW Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said: https://www.compassion.com/child-charity.htm?referer=513624&gclid=CjwKCAjw2Jb7BRBHEiwAXTR4jdZG9TQ0c4jSs-uJ3nUU4BAPZZzGZ9VmMTUYlfRUz_OmSiQz634jfxoCLVsQAvD_BwE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 https://www.unicefusa.org/mission/starts-with-u/health-for-children?utm_content=health1responsive_E2001&ms=cpc_dig_2020_PillarPages_20200109_google_health1responsive_delve_E2001&initialms=cpc_dig_2020_PillarPages_20200109_google_health1responsive_delve_E2001&gclid=CjwKCAjw2Jb7BRBHEiwAXTR4jf2ypTBQ85pKV-V7EK9Fl8xt1GELuwsm5X41hg9EJx2oOC6C1pL1XhoCK3EQAvD_BwE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NOTW Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 And many, many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 https://www.barna.com/research/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-adoption/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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we_gotta_believe Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 9 hours ago, NOTW said: Burden? There's your problem. And you criticize people for not caring about children? Smh. Night of passion is more important than a child's life...a "burden?" And maybe I worded it poorly. Parents are responsible. But as I noted, people do care and help children... So long as we are providing social assistance to raise and care for these children then it's our problem. It's a societal burden. Charities also have limited resources. If they can't pick up the tab on their own, then what do you suggest we, as a society, do for these kids in adoption agencies and foster care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyote Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Run-of-the-mill conservatives do care about children after they're born, and they'd be shocked to find out what the Republican Party actually tries to do to them. Conservative leaders, on the other hand, don't even care about the children before they're born. It's just a way for them to manipulate their Evangelical and Catholic base. Anyone who's interested can find really interesting history about how corporate elite Republicans went looking for issues in the 1970s that could replace segregation and found abortion and homosexuality to be the most effective. The liberal perception that conservatives care about children before they're born is due to naïveté about elite conservative discourse, and their perception that conservatives stop caring about children after they're born is due to the fact that they have too much scorn for ordinary working-class conservatives to find out what they actually think about things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglesfandan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I get that somebody can post all of the organizations that actually do help children, but I just don't see it in real life personally. I also don't agree with a lot of them because they are doing work out of county. We have starving kids here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Charities also have limited resources. If they can't pick up the tab on their own, then what do you suggest we, as a society, do for these kids in adoption agencies and foster care? Charities can be effective at combatting social problems, but sometimes don’t have the best approach. When I was in middle school they showed us the A.C. Green video on abstinence. Don’t have sex and you won’t make babies, ok??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Charities can be effective at combatting social problems, but sometimes don’t have the best approach. When I was in middle school they showed us the A.C. Green video on abstinence. Don’t have sex and you won’t make babies, ok??? And society would be so much better if people considered that. what do i suggest we do? Nothing. You do what you want to and i will do what i want to. Are do you then become anti choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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