6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Words spoken by every elder generation since the dawn of civilization.

I think Trump’s incompetent leadership turned out just enough young voters for Biden to squeak by Trump.  The idea that young people are ultra liberals hasn’t been true in my experience though.

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think Trump’s incompetent leadership turned out just enough young voters for Biden to squeak by Trump.  The idea that young people are ultra liberals hasn’t been true in my experience though.

It'll be interesting to see all the demographic breakdowns on this when all the data comes out. I think you might be right in that youth turnout could've been disproportionately higher this time around. I'm still stunned at Georgia though. It's not getting much attention now because PA getting called sealed the deal, but GA flipping was the more historically significant event here. Arizona too. Apparently defecating on the memory of a state's most beloved fallen hero and constantly inflaming racial tensions were not good strategies after all. Who knew.

21 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said:

Would be nice, but whoever they try to nominate will have to kiss the ring of trump and be trump approved. It’s sad, but with one tweet trump will be able to end anyone in the GOPs presidential ambitions if he chooses to.

Paging the SDNY. You guys are up. 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It'll be interesting to see all the demographic breakdowns on this when all the data comes out. I think you might be right in that youth turnout could've been disproportionately higher this time around. I'm still stunned at Georgia though. It's not getting much attention now because PA getting called sealed the deal, but GA flipping was the more historically significant event here. Arizona too. Apparently defecating on the memory of a state's most beloved fallen hero and constantly inflaming racial tensions were not good strategies after all. Who knew.

Dems worked really hard to get people registered in Georgia and it looks like it paid off for them.

22 minutes ago, Toty said:

😀 True enough

But my point was specifically about the policies that the OP was referring to worrying about.

I couldn't care less.

Meh, like Rambo said, things tend to balance out once they age and settle into their adult life. Fiscally, I'm not too worried. The last 4 years have been a disaster in that regard, so that goes to show you that unchecked populism is unfortunately appealing to the old and young alike. Socially, I don't care as much, but I tend to be socially liberal anyway.

10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Dems worked really hard to get people registered in Georgia and it looks like it paid off for them.

Yep, truly amazing work down there. My hat is off to those ladies and gentlemen for making a real difference. 

My reaction when someone first posted the NYT needle for GA shifted to Biden's favor on election night:

38 minutes ago, Toty said:

They won't be able to take it as far as they want quite yet. We're a mixed economy and will stay that way for a while.

We have elections every two years and a chance to make corrections.

Remember when Obama (another "socialist") had a supermajority senate and a house majority? The world didn't end.

If you want to worry, worry about the standing army of woke kids that will sprout into voters and politicians over the next 10-20 years. Then it's game over.

And that's when we really leave the country!!!

Wtf? 🤣 so much for trying to have an actual discussion.  Biden wins and Libtards are STILL ukn’ butthurt.  You mutha uka’s are gigantic vachinas.

13 minutes ago, bobeph said:

Wtf? 🤣 so much for trying to have an actual discussion.  Biden wins and Libtards are STILL ukn’ butthurt.  You mutha uka’s are gigantic vachinas.

Common bo.  Havent you ever been butthurt about having nothing to be butthurt about before?

They are the type that get all depressed when they bang a hot chick and it doesnt end up becoming a serious relationship rather than just putting the notch in your belt and move on to the next conquest...

1 hour ago, bobeph said:

Seriously, you ukn’ tool?  Like I have time to sausage finger research this entire forum?  It was a simple ukn’ question.  Read the topic where I asked you to not be a deek.  So don’t be a deek, The Donald Jr.

Ohhhhh I thought you weren’t going to be a deek, not me. Drink claws and carry on. 

1 hour ago, bobeph said:

Seriously, you ukn’ tool?  Like I have time to sausage finger research this entire forum?  It was a simple ukn’ question.  Read the topic where I asked you to not be a deek.  So don’t be a deek, The Donald Jr.

Ohhhhh I thought you weren’t going to be a deek, not me. Drink claws and carry on. 

2 hours ago, rambo said:

I'll take 4 years of nothing from the government.

Exactly 

4 hours ago, bobeph said:

The only thing that scares me about Biden and Harris, and "The Squad” is that they are going to try to push our country to a socialist economy and a communist government.  Honestly, other than that I am totally fine with President elect Joseph Biden.

so for you diehard Democrats, is this something that you are also hoping for or willing to accept?

I don’t give a crap what you say one way or the other, I am literally just curious.

BIDEN 2020!

Hahhaa.  Relax dude.  Too much Fox news.    "socialist" and communist are just scare words.  Relax.  

4 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

I’m curious to watch the board moderates and traditionally Republican anti-Trumpers as the Biden presidency unfolds. Also excited for this purported healing that’s about to happen! 

There are moderates, independents or never-Trump Republicans who liked neither Trump nor the far-left and stayed moderate.

There are others who claimed to be, but acted more like Democrats.  They basically ignored or downplayed any crazy on the left and usually deflected with "but Trump." Take Trump away and we'll see how they react now.

Hopefully as some said, this will be a boring term with no major changes just some return to normalcy. 

15 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

I’m curious to watch the board moderates and traditionally Republican anti-Trumpers as the Biden presidency unfolds. Also excited for this purported healing that’s about to happen! 

You funny

16 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

Im still pretty annoyed about biden pandering to Philadelphians by wearing what he thought was an eagles jacket.  Jesus.   

There's going to be a lot of that over the next four years.  The honeymoon period with this guy will be short lived.  That being said, I think he is handling the transition well and trying to calm everyone down.  Unlike Trump he does have some grace. 

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

There are moderates, independents or never-Trump Republicans who liked neither Trump nor the far-left and stayed moderate.

 

hi. 

it could get fun in here picking apart biden's flaws as the purple haired tree huggers clutch their blankeys. 

53 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

hi. 

it could get fun in here picking apart biden's flaws as the purple haired tree huggers clutch their blankeys. 

Well you have people on the left and right who see Biden as just a more moderate Democrat throwback that they prefer.  

But to some on the right, Biden is just a puppet/trojan horse for socialist/communist and far-left radical policies...and there are some on the left who want the party to go that way so we'll see how that goes.  

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Well you have people on the left and right who see Biden as just a more moderate Democrat throwback that they prefer.  

But to some on the right, Biden is just a puppet/trojan horse for socialist/communist and far-left radical policies...and there are some on the left who want the party to go that way so we'll see how that goes.  

im sure he will do things i dont like and i'll speak my peace on it, but yeah, there are those who won't accept him regardless.

maybe, just maybe the GOP pulls their heads out of trump's ass and they find a great, YOUNGER candidate with a fresh view and a platform that doesn't include trying to turn the clock back to 1950.  

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

im sure he will do things i dont like and i'll speak my peace on it, but yeah, there are those who won't accept him regardless.

maybe, just maybe the GOP pulls their heads out of trump's ass and they find a great, YOUNGER candidate with a fresh view and a platform that doesn't include trying to turn the clock back to 1950.  

What's funny is politicians pander to try and get votes and you would think one of the parties would wise up and move more middle to get more votes...you could argue Biden's campaign did that somewhat, but it came among the backdrop of the BLM/racial justice protests, calls to abolish the police and other things happening...Biden didn't call for those things or radical left policies himself.  But with some people doing that plus concern/fear on the right that the Democrats are going too far left, some people can't see Biden as a moderate.

Republicans do an absolutely terrible job at something basic:  prove you don't just cater to corporations and white males.  Democrats are the party known for diversity, inclusion, pushing for civil rights...would it kill the GOP to promote more anti-racist, anti-sexist views?  And the left often likes to demonize the wealthy and corporations, who vote with their finances in mind.  Or ridicule and insult rural voters or people who didn't go to college.  You would think the party of tolerance and inclusion wouldn't insult people who are different.   These parties hurt themselves by insulting the other party's voters so people just gravitate to one side or the other and I think a lot of people would embrace more centrist candidates.  But they thrive on division.  And then wonder why this election was so close.

 

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What's funny is politicians pander to try and get votes and you would think one of the parties would wise up and move more middle to get more votes...you could argue Biden's campaign did that somewhat, but it came among the backdrop of the BLM/racial justice protests, calls to abolish the police and other things happening...Biden didn't call for those things or radical left policies himself.  But with some people doing that plus concern/fear on the right that the Democrats are going too far left, some people can't see Biden as a moderate.

Republicans do an absolutely terrible job at something basic:  prove you don't just cater to corporations and white males.  Democrats are the party known for diversity, inclusion, pushing for civil rights...would it kill the GOP to promote more anti-racist, anti-sexist views?  And the left often likes to demonize the wealthy and corporations, who vote with their finances in mind.  Or ridicule and insult rural voters or people who didn't go to college.  You would think the party of tolerance and inclusion wouldn't insult people who are different.   These parties hurt themselves by insulting the other party's voters so people just gravitate to one side or the other and I think a lot of people would embrace more centrist candidates.  But they thrive on division.  And then wonder why this election was so close.

 

yes they do. if the people would just stop and take a breath instead of looking to be at each other's throats, maybe some type of common ground could be found and work from there. 

 

Not a person this thread is addressed to but I’ll say we’d be better off as a country if everyone had health insurance and access to medical care that isn’t the ER 

ACA didnt do it. Trump said he had a plan but was full of ish. Republicans offered nothing. 
 

I don’t know how you do it what % Public vs Private but we’re all better off if it’s figured out 

This idea of erasing 50k of student debt is arbitrary and ridiculous 

Bob, I'm almost 60 years old.  At NO TIME in my life was I ever close to being scared of a Democrat .  My God.  It's old.  I truly don't understand the fear.  So we pay taxes, so there's always been a safety net  since the great depression called social security (we're already part socialist then, right?) And if you ever tried applying for any government program, you have to be among the poorest of poor to even qualify for it.  Now, I really hope I die before having to go into a home and spend all my money before I can get any help (Medicaid).  But to erase these programs without something else in it's place, I mean what are you gong to do with all these people?  Let them die in the streets?  You can't even get paid to take care of a sick family member, just up to a year off with your employer holding "a" position for you.  

1 minute ago, DiPros said:

Bob, I'm almost 60 years old.  At NO TIME in my life was I ever close to being scared of a Democrat .  My God.  It's old.  I truly don't understand the fear.  So we pay taxes, so there's always been a safety net  since the great depression called social security (we're already part socialist then, right?) And if you ever tried applying for any government program, you have to be among the poorest of poor to even qualify for it.  Now, I really hope I die before having to go into a home and spend all my money before I can get any help (Medicaid).  But to erase these programs without something else in it's place, I mean what are you gong to do with all these people?  Let them die in the streets?  You can't even get paid to take care of a sick family member, just up to a year off with your employer holding "a" position for you.  

This actually isn't totally true.  There is an entire cottage industry built around bilking Medicare dollars for people to "stay home to care for a family member or friend".  

There will be certain policies that will be sops to the left but for the most part the Democratic Party over the past few years has clearly chosen moderates over further left leaning candidates with Biden being the obvious example.  Not wanting to repeat the mistake that Republicans made in 2016 allowing a radical like Trump win the primary or the liberals in the UK made swinging too far left with Corbyn in the 2019, you saw the Dem primary candidate field choose to self narrow and coalesce behind a moderate like Biden to ensure Bernie didn't gain momentum and pull a majority in a split field.  Among rank and file Dems, this was a very popular result.  Bernie supporters didn't like it but that's par for the course.  More radical right wingers hated moderates in their party when they managed to control the looneys.  If Rs had done this behind Kasich in 2016, we’d all be far better off.  Unfortunately, those days seem gone for the Republican Party.

The Dem success in the 2018 midterms was almost exclusively tied to running qualified moderate candidates in areas outside the leftmost districts.  At least in the short term of the next 4 years, I don't see the wild swing left many fear.  Now if Biden is a one term president without making any progress in 'healing the rift' and either Trump returns to win or , even worse, someone eager to exploit many of the same vulnerabilities in the country but isn't actually an emotionally stunted moron, all bets are off. 

Personally I'm not optimistic long term.  Between the Trump base and the far left wing, there are too many voters that seem to have little to no tether to reality.  That kind of ignorance and stupidity usually has harsh repercussions. 

I keep seeing people declaring that this election saved our democracy, which seems naïve.  I think it's far more likely that all we did was temporarily chase away the largest buzzard from a dying carcass.