3 hours ago, The Norseman said:

I'm hearing speculation that he is considering Randi Weingarten who heads up the American Federation of Teachers for Education Secretary.  While this wouldn't surprise me, as Biden is has always been a huge comrade to the unions, I think it would be a  mistake.

The biggest reason I opposed Biden is because of his historical efforts to increase the size and scope of organized labor.  Teacher's unions are among the worst in my opinion and putting Weingarten in charge would be a clear signal that we are happy with the way our schools run today.

Is she going to monetize the department of ed to make money for her and her husband? If the answer is no, then she’s an improvement. 

We joke and make fun.   But there’s nothing funny about the idea that Kamala Harris is a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.  
 

and what criteria did Biden use to make the critical decision of his running mate and VP? Actually forget i even asked.  
 

Just call it a strike. Huge strike.  Already down in the count before he stepped in the batters box.  
 

and before someone like Lloyd gets all hurtybutty,  im glad trump lost.  
 

11 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

We joke and make fun.   But there’s nothing funny about the idea that Kamala Harris is a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.  
 

and what criteria did Biden use to make the critical decision of his running mate and VP? Actually forget i even asked.  
 

Just call it a strike. Huge strike.  Already down in the count before he stepped in the batters box.  
 

and before someone like Lloyd gets all hurtybutty,  im glad trump lost.  
 

We survived 4 years of this absolute zero, I'm confident she can't be any worse. At least she's not a sheetstain of a human being trying to subvert democracy at every turn.

I am almost as excited to have DeVos out of her role as I am Trump.  What a gargantuan embarrassment that selection was.  

5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We survived 4 years of this absolute zero, I'm confident she can't be any worse. At least she's not a sheetstain of a human being trying to subvert democracy at every turn.

Yeah.  It’s still a puppet move on bidens part (didnt she basically call him a racist not even long ago?) but i get why he did it.  Shoot it may have been the move that got him over the top in the election (as crazy as that might sound)

18 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Yeah.  It’s still a puppet move on bidens part (didnt she basically call him a racist not even long ago?) but i get why he did it.  Shoot it may have been the move that got him over the top in the election (as crazy as that might sound)

Yea she basically did, and I also wasn't a fan of him picking her. I think Susan Rice would've been a much better choice.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yea she basically did, and I also wasn't a fan of him picking her. I think Susan Rice would've been a much better choice.

All i know is you call me a racist to the world and that automatically gets you off my running mate list. Id be out to destroy her not make her VP

I have every intention of celebrating Biden's victory by turning off the news for 4 years.

14 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

All i know is you call me a racist to the world and that automatically gets you off my running mate list. Id be out to destroy her not make her VP

You do remember they're like besties right? I guarantee they talked about what they'd say before the debates. I called this ticket as the Dems best chance years ago because it's straight to identity politics. She knew she was never going to win the primary, she just had to get out there and make a name for herself. 

What will the Biden Admin look like?  I suppose it Depends...

On 11/15/2020 at 4:42 PM, Bill said:

I think you’re already kind of seeing it with how it already leaked that Warren and Sanders will have zero place in their administration, and even after the progressives publicly whined about it the Biden team hasn’t balked one iota. 
 

Biden is a 90s Democrat, so I’m expecting something more along the lines of Clinton policy. 

I think so as well.  It's unfortunate certain far right circles and some of the far right media have led people to believe that Biden will turn this nation into some extreme socialist country.  Biden has always been a moderate from my understanding and he is a practicing Catholic.  (Certain Conservative Christian groups seem to conveniently forget that Roman Catholicism founded the Christian faith).  And yet those same groups came out with overwhelming support of Amy Coney Barrett who is also a practicing Catholic.  

Most moderates that I know believe in Capitalism with strong social safety nets.  And yes, they hold law enforcement, first responders and the military in high regard. 

I'm not sure how I feel about far right circles who call themselves "Patriots" which seems to allude that anyone who voted for Biden is not a patriot.  Seems like a slap in the face to the millions within the military, law enforcement, etc who voted for Biden.  So they risk their lives for their country but they are not patriots because they voted for Biden?

17 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

You do remember they're like besties right? I guarantee they talked about what they'd say before the debates. I called this ticket as the Dems best chance years ago because it's straight to identity politics. She knew she was never going to win the primary, she just had to get out there and make a name for herself. 

I didnt know that (they we’re tight like that).

 Apparently they are ok with flinging the racist word around (the word has no meaning when you use it anytime someone of another race disagrees w/ so you just call them racist)just to get people riled up and that’s pretty disgusting behavior and common place for politicians these days.  

and if you know you’re not going to win the nomination then why go calling someone (one of your besties no less) a racist in front of the world?  
Seems unnecessary, foolish and ignorant of the seriousness of the accusation

rant over... that’s the past    Just like trump is.   But i have no hope for our political leadership in my lifetime.   Between their media minions and their influencers we have no chance of having a true leader in the white house

 

She didn’t ever call him a racist though. But you guys already knew that, huh?

btw, a lot of politicians were against busing. Not just Biden

On 11/20/2020 at 10:08 PM, SNOORDA said:

We joke and make fun.   But there’s nothing funny about the idea that Kamala Harris is a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.  

Why? I don't see how Harris runs anything different than Biden.

Is this why you are so upset?

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Harris to Biden: I do not believe you are a racist.

I am so glad our leaders have a thicker skin than you do.

1 hour ago, toolg said:

Why? I don't see how Harris runs anything different than Biden.

Is this why you are so upset?

I am so glad our leaders have a thicker skin than you do.

Leaders dont use the race card for personal gain.   Sorry.  That’s my point.  I get that it’s just good ole politics.   Im just over the pandering and race baiting

46 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Leaders dont use the race card for personal gain.   Sorry.  That’s my point.  I get that it’s just good ole politics.   Im just over the pandering and race baiting

Ok. What I see is two political heavyweights having a policy discussion, you see it as something else. You've brought your own preconceived notions about their discussion. Presidential politics can be dirty, thinking back to Karl Rove, the Clintons... Not to mention a recent POTUS who made a name by lobbing insults around to everyone. That's not what I saw here... I don't have to know where you stand to see you have strong feelings about the subject. 

4 minutes ago, toolg said:

Ok. What I see is two political heavyweights having a policy discussion, you see it as something else. You've brought your own preconceived notions about their discussion. Presidential politics can be dirty, thinking back to Karl Rove, the Clintons... Not to mention a recent POTUS who made a name by lobbing insults around to everyone. That's not what I saw here... I don't have to know where you stand to see you have strong feelings about the subject. 

I gotta agree with Snoorda here. I recall being put off by Harris' attack on Biden during the debates and I didn't have any preconceived notions about any of it since I barely even knew who she was at the time.

And I also agree that the "it's just politics" excuse rings hollow. That's the same sort of justification used to confirm ACB after denying Garland, just as an example.

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I gotta agree with Snoorda here. I recall being put off by Harris' attack on Biden during the debates and I didn't have any preconceived notions about any of it since I barely even knew who she was at the time.

And I also agree that the "it's just politics" excuse rings hollow. That's the same sort of justification used to confirm ACB after denying Garland, just as an example.

yeah, I was not a fan of how Kamala conducted herself. I was pretty chagrined, though not surprised, when a lot of people in the media thought she "won" the exchange, but I think she turned off a lot of people with it as well. 

Biden is a guy who has been around a long time, and people have a comfort level with him on race and many other matters. seeing her try to tear down his career of accomplishments on civil rights in some contrived "gotcha" moment made many cringe, not go "you go girl". 

my issues with Kamala are that she seems not to have a strong core of beliefs. she has been very flexible in her political views, adapting them at various junctures to maximize gain in her career. she certainly isn't the only person in congress to do this, and I would never specifically single her out for it, except that she is now the VP elect of a man who is 77 years old. 

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I gotta agree with Snoorda here. I recall being put off by Harris' attack on Biden during the debates and I didn't have any preconceived notions about any of it since I barely even knew who she was at the time.

And I also agree that the "it's just politics" excuse rings hollow. That's the same sort of justification used to confirm ACB after denying Garland, just as an example.

I wasn't entirely put off, and I don't think Harris meant to insult Biden. She went out of her way to say she respects him. But his busing policy and working across the aisle with segrationists personally affected Harris, as she wanted that to be known as a female POC. It's a big deal for her campaign. I don't see it out-of-bounds. And they still found a way to work together as President/VP.

There are ramifications for the Garland debacle. Each action has its own reaction.

 

 

Busing was a losing policy for the Dems.  Some guy named Reagan was governor of California when little Kamala was taking the bus to her racially-mixed school.  I think we know how that one turned out...   

however, it doesn’t mean girls like Kamala weren’t helped by the policy.  That’s her point.

3 hours ago, toolg said:

Ok. What I see is two political heavyweights having a policy discussion, you see it as something else. You've brought your own preconceived notions about their discussion. Presidential politics can be dirty, thinking back to Karl Rove, the Clintons... Not to mention a recent POTUS who made a name by lobbing insults around to everyone. That's not what I saw here... I don't have to know where you stand to see you have strong feelings about the subject. 

I simply dont like the options either party are putting out their as their "heavy weights”.   I wouldnt really call it strong feelings.  Just disdain for all them.  

So policies of the White House Administration do not directly or indirectly  effect affect the stock market. Got it

8 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

So policies of the White House Administration do not directly or indirectly  effect affect the stock market. Got it

No, that's an oversimplification. The reality is that presidential power is limited within our government and any policies and actions put forth by an administration are simply one factor among many. Again, if you want to say "The stock market was stagnant under Obama but then started booming under Trump " then you're gonna be derided for being uninformed. If you want to compound that by claiming Trump won the election, you might as well say the earth is flat too.