toughfighter83 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 i know we won the sb short term with doug but when it came to long term success, why was andy reid so successful at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTANK Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 what it was, was football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, toughfighter83 said: i know we won the sb short term with doug but when it came to long term success, why was andy reid so successful at it? That's easy. While Andy was not great at adjustments, his pre-planning skills were Superior. He had lists , Schedules, everything written down. He was meticulous to details. His First Script plays were always practiced and almost always worked. Management skills. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkvol Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 A decade and a half with one SB appearance and zero rings is not my definition of successful, but to each their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br3 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Title gave me a headache 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said: i know we won the sb short term with doug but when it came to long term success, why was andy reid so successful at it? Was he really that successful? He never won a SB here and had many chances. Back when he was coaching here the NFC was a joke. We lost to so many bad teams in the NFC Championship. He had his strengths but had some unbelievable weaknesses and continued to make the same errors over and over again. Way too stubborn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manz2821 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said: That's easy. While Andy was not great at adjustments, his pre-planning skills were Superior. He had lists , Schedules, everything written down. He was meticulous to details. His First Script plays were always practiced and almost always worked. Management skills. This. Also like players I think Andy has grown a lot as a coach from his time here. I follow the chiefs closely and he def has improved his play calling and he does commit to the run when it is needed. Also he does not have control of the personnel in KC and the last 3 or 4 years even his clock management has improved as well. Plus Andy is a champion designer of an offence. Doug is no where close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Was he what he was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtherock Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said: i know we won the sb short term with doug but when it came to long term success, why was andy reid so successful at it? Doug has been successful since the Superbowl, particularly in light of the absurd amount of injuries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtherock Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, manz2821 said: This. Also like players I think Andy has grown a lot as a coach from his time here. I follow the chiefs closely and he def has improved his play calling and he does commit to the run when it is needed. Also he does not have control of the personnel in KC and the last 3 or 4 years even his clock management has improved as well. Plus Andy is a champion designer of an offence. Doug is no where close. Most people don’t raise their game in their 60s. Having the best quarterback in the game of course helps, but I suspect Bieniemy has had more to do with that offense than he’s given credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manz2821 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Runtherock said: Most people don’t raise their game in their 60s. Having the best quarterback in the game of course helps, but I suspect Bieniemy has had more to do with that offense than he’s given credit for. I think the opposite. If you see Andy's offensive assistants in Nagy and Pederson have the worst offences in football. I think they got jobs as teams thought they were getting another Andy but did not. I would be very interested in seeing Bieniemy as a HC to see how his offences fare in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtherock Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, manz2821 said: I think the opposite. If you see Andy's offensive assistants in Nagy and Pederson have the worst offences in football. I think they got jobs as teams thought they were getting another Andy but did not. I would be very interested in seeing Bieniemy as a HC to see how his offences fare in this league. I think he’ll do well, I also doubt Reid could have done any better than Pederson since the Super Bowl with the injuries this team has sustained. In fact I doubt many coaches could have. People who want to rip Doug seem to just discount the mind blowing unprecedented blue tent BS he’s had to deal with. Its been absolutely insane. I have questions about some of the things I’ve seen this year too, but I am in no way a Pederson critic. He’s done one hell of a job since becoming Eagles head coach and deserves respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madriver Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I think some are having a bit of revisionist history now that we totally suck. Andy was brilliant during the week as evidenced by his scripted plays but lacked in-game awareness much of the time, refused to adjust, and was bailed out more often than not by a stout defense, a scrambling, improvising QB and a sucko division. He was also very meh when it came to personnel choices and had a particular blind spot toward skill players and linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I don’t know the don't answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manz2821 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Runtherock said: I think he’ll do well, I also doubt Reid could have done any better than Pederson since the Super Bowl with the injuries this team has sustained. In fact I doubt many coaches could have. People who want to rip Doug seem to just discount the mind blowing unprecedented blue tent BS he’s had to deal with. Its been absolutely insane. I have questions about some of the things I’ve seen this year too, but I am in no way a Pederson critic. He’s done one hell of a job since becoming Eagles head coach and deserves respect. I'm in the same boat. I'm just irritated with Doug more than anything else this year. This off season will be telling. I mean hes a smart man and he should know whats wrong with the offence than fans and other peeps on the board. I personally just feel he needs to be hard on his players and on his coaches. I think he needs to be humble and get all the help he needs. Maybe a real young innovative OC would be a good start imho. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portyansky Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 DP won a SB in his 2nd year. How many years did it take AR? And it took a powerhouse offense to do so. Yes going to 5 straight NFCCG and 1 SB (we were cheated out of) appearance was nice. But if you don't win the SB, you're just a looser like the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtherock Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, manz2821 said: I'm in the same boat. I'm just irritated with Doug more than anything else this year. This off season will be telling. I mean hes a smart man and he should know whats wrong with the offence than fans and other peeps on the board. I personally just feel he needs to be hard on his players and on his coaches. I think he needs to be humble and get all the help he needs. Maybe a real young innovative OC would be a good start imho. Agree with you completely here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perforator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 The Fat Man should have been canned after the fiasco against Tampa the last game at the Vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUEagle Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 We all said we would rather suck for 10 years and win 1 Super Bowl then go through a Reid era and have success but never win the big one. Well, we’re living it now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanh8 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Reid is an organization leader. He has an exceptional knowledge of the game and was able to pass that information on to others within his organization and empower his staff so that they could be successful in their current and future roles. He has built an NFL offensive philosophy (based on his decades of coaching experience) and is able to identify talent that fits his philosophy and team as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philthy Jawn Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 11 hours ago, manz2821 said: I'm in the same boat. I'm just irritated with Doug more than anything else this year. This off season will be telling. I mean hes a smart man and he should know whats wrong with the offence than fans and other peeps on the board. I personally just feel he needs to be hard on his players and on his coaches. I think he needs to be humble and get all the help he needs. Maybe a real young innovative OC would be a good start imho. Yes, I don't think Doug is very good at play-calling, 2017 excepted. Also, being both a head coach and OC is simply too much in terms of responsibilities and focus, and I think it shows in this team's utter lack of preparation every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 13 hours ago, mjkvol said: A decade and a half with one SB appearance and zero rings is not my definition of successful, but to each their own. Andy Reid has two SB appearances, one win, a career winning percentage of over .600, and is 6th on the list of most wins by a head coach in NFL history behind 4 coaches who are already in the Hall of Fame, and one, Bill Belichick, who will undoubtedly be in the Hall of Fame when he retires. But yeah, he's not successful because you still have a grudge against him from 6 years ago. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanh8 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kz! said: Andy Reid has two SB appearances, one win, a career winning percentage of over .600, and has the 6th on the list of most wins by a head coach in NFL history behind 4 coaches who are already in the Hall of Fame, and one, Bill Belichick, who will undoubtedly be in the Hall of Fame when he retires. But yeah, he's not successful because you still have a grudge against him from 6 years ago. The fact that this even needs to be said is a sad in and of itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Fast Food Fridays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain F Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Ill play along. During the nfccg run, Andy had..... 1.A top 10 defense each year 2. Jim Johnson 3. The best O-Line in football 4. A 3 headed monster at RB that was extremely effective 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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