November 25, 20204 yr There is a reason that Andy Reid's two previous KC offensive coordinators got picked off for HC jobs but the Chiefs offense kept rolling (and for those saying Mahomes makes it easy it's worth looking at Alex Smith's 2017 numbers) and that is that like him or not Reid is one of the best offensive minds in the game, who knows how to play to his players strengths. It went to pieces here after his family issues and I still think his biggest mistake was not giving Sean McDermott more time as DC, but make no mistake the offense in KC is a lot more big Red than it is Pederson, Nagy or Bieniemy.
November 25, 20204 yr His ability to helm young, innovative, inclusive coaches that he assuaged to maximize their potential within the organizational structure. Recognizing where the strengths of a team are and being able to build up, restock and hold value for the future. He was uniquely able to see talent and maximize potential of players who weren't high draft picks. Then, he also saw that to keep a team fresh and under the cap, reward up and coming players while jettisoning older players before they hit a wall and began to decline post age 30.
November 26, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, Kz! said: Andy Reid has two SB appearances, one win, a career winning percentage of over .600, and is 6th on the list of most wins by a head coach in NFL history behind 4 coaches who are already in the Hall of Fame, and one, Bill Belichick, who will undoubtedly be in the Hall of Fame when he retires. But yeah, he's not successful because you still have a grudge against him from 6 years ago. I believe the OP was referring to his endless stint here, where he had one SB appearance in a decade and a half, no wins, and just over a .500 record in his last eight years. He was allowed to run this franchise into the ground before finally being ****canned. If it makes you feel better that he won somewhere else, that's pretty pathetic, but whatever.
November 26, 20204 yr Andy was successful because of Jim Johnson, good oline and a great QB. Andy could've had a dynasty and won multiple superbowls however they always felt a true NO.1 WR was not needed and it cost him multiple championship rings and wasted a good 4 or 5 years of Donovan's career at his peak. The one season they had a true No.1 WR, they went to the superbowl.
November 26, 20204 yr On 11/25/2020 at 10:11 AM, What The F said: Ill play along. During the nfccg run, Andy had..... 1.A top 10 defense each year 2. Jim Johnson 3. The best O-Line in football 4. A 3 headed monster at RB that was extremely effective Great list, add in 5. The NFC was a weaker Conf during that era as well.
November 26, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, Jeep_man said: Andy was successful because of Jim Johnson, good oline and a great QB. Andy could've had a dynasty and won multiple superbowls however they always felt a true NO.1 WR was not needed and it cost him multiple championship rings and wasted a good 4 or 5 years of Donovan's career at his peak. The one season they had a true No.1 WR, they went to the superbowl, where McNabb puked the game away and couldn't handle the pressure. Fyp
November 26, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, mjkvol said: I believe the OP was referring to his endless stint here, where he had one SB appearance in a decade and a half, no wins, and just over a .500 record in his last eight years. He was allowed to run this franchise into the ground before finally being ****canned. If it makes you feel better that he won somewhere else, that's pretty pathetic, but whatever. 4 NFCCG appearances as well. Just a little tid bit you overlooked
November 26, 20204 yr On 11/24/2020 at 9:32 PM, Runtherock said: Most people don’t raise their game in their 60s. Having the best quarterback in the game of course helps, but I suspect Bieniemy has had more to do with that offense than he’s given credit for. Once again, the only reason AR is having success in KC is because they didn't give him final say over personnel decisions, unfortunately, when he was here no one could figure out that he shouldn't be making decision on draft day.. It seems like we have same same issue now, no one has figured out that Howie is the last person you want making personnel decisions.
November 26, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, What The F said: Fyp Not quite, no one could have stopped BillCheat from cheating, Eagles were robbed.
November 27, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, SNOORDA said: 4 NFCCG appearances as well. Just a little tid bit you overlooked Five, but who's counting? Losing four of them (three as the favorite) are not among Eagles highlights most fans wish to revisit.
November 27, 20204 yr 20 hours ago, mjkvol said: Five, but who's counting? Losing four of them (three as the favorite) are not among Eagles highlights most fans wish to revisit. I’d like to forget about them too. Especially the tampa bay one. But it still a successful run by nfl coaching standards. The only fans hard on AR are us. Everyone else respects him and consider him a HOF level coach. Which he may well be when its said and done of course those nfccg loses suck. They hurt bad. And we want to pit blame directly at someones feet. Whatever happened to blaming McNabb?
November 27, 20204 yr On 11/25/2020 at 9:27 PM, mjkvol said: I believe the OP was referring to his endless stint here, where he had one SB appearance in a decade and a half, no wins, and just over a .500 record in his last eight years. He was allowed to run this franchise into the ground before finally being ****canned. If it makes you feel better that he won somewhere else, that's pretty pathetic, but whatever. There's nothing in the OP or thread that suggests he was referring to only his time in Philadelphia. If we're talking about his "long term success" why wouldn't we look at his entire career rather than just his time with one team? Why would it "make me feel better" that he won somewhere else? I'm not a Chiefs fan and I was actually rooting for the 49ers last year. And "pathetic?" What are you even talking about? The fact is, Reid has been a wildly successful coach in the NFL by almost any metric. Overall wins, playoff wins, career winning percentage, etc. Sorry you can't rationally discuss the guy's career without bringing past butthurt into the discussion because you don't like him. I mean, you realize he's going to become a HOF coach when he retires, right? But, no, it's totally rational for you to claim he isn't successful as a coach.
November 28, 20204 yr On 11/27/2020 at 10:34 AM, Kz! said: There's nothing in the OP or thread that suggests he was referring to only his time in Philadelphia. If we're talking about his "long term success" why wouldn't we look at his entire career rather than just his time with one team? Why would it "make me feel better" that he won somewhere else? I'm not a Chiefs fan and I was actually rooting for the 49ers last year. And "pathetic?" What are you even talking about? The fact is, Reid has been a wildly successful coach in the NFL by almost any metric. Overall wins, playoff wins, career winning percentage, etc. Sorry you can't rationally discuss the guy's career without bringing past butthurt into the discussion because you don't like him. I mean, you realize he's going to become a HOF coach when he retires, right? But, no, it's totally rational for you to claim he isn't successful as a coach. I'm not "butthurt" by anything sports related, and I save my hate for politicians and the media. He ran this franchise into the ground after a ringless decade and a half, then lucked into a generational QB because the Chiefs were smart enough not to let him control personnel. Mahomes will certainly take him to the HOF, but then this is the same HOF that will make the likes of Eli Manning a first ballot selection. But then, I'm sure you believe he's a HOFer as well.
November 29, 20204 yr On 11/25/2020 at 11:42 PM, Kz! said: Andy Reid has two SB appearances, one win, a career winning percentage of over .600, and is 6th on the list of most wins by a head coach in NFL history behind 4 coaches who are already in the Hall of Fame, and one, Bill Belichick, who will undoubtedly be in the Hall of Fame when he retires. But yeah, he's not successful because you still have a grudge against him from 6 years ago. He was hated by a lot of fans when he was here. It's bizarre to think how much more beloved Buddy Ryan, who never won a playoff game, is. There are a lot of fans who'd rather have a coach who mouths off a lot and goes 10-6 and loses a wildcard game than a coach who acts professional and goes 12-4 and wins a couple of playoff games.
November 29, 20204 yr On 11/24/2020 at 9:21 PM, eggs said: Was he what he was? No. But he is who we thought he was
November 29, 20204 yr I'm not going to let Reid's recent success make me forget the purgatory that was much of the last half of his Eagles run. Tons of respect for him though and how he reinvented himself in KC. Sean Payton and John Harbaugh each had about a 3 season stretch where their teams were either bad or mediocre. I think Doug deserves the chance to right this ship without Howie Roseman.
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