1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Last night Howie's trade went flat with he got burned by a WR they should have taken. How about that 4th round pick for a DE? What's his name again

I'll add to that... We got burned by a WR that he should have taken. The guy getting burned was a 29 year old who Howie had to trade a 3rd and a 5th for because the 2 guys he had selected in the draft most recently he was about to cut. 

11 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

With Roseman it’s been more than just one **** show of a season. He’s been running the show since Chip left and he hasn’t drafted well or managed the cap well at all. He has proven he cannot evaluate talent and needs to be replaced. 

Like it or not, the eagles have made the playoffs the last 2 seasons with injury devastated rosters.........and they were able to do it because of the depth of talent the eagles had.  He managed to rebuild the eagles from the sh-- show that kelly left him.  And don't give me that horsesh-- about a bad division.....new england lived off a bad division for 20 years.

As far as this season is concerned, Wentz's complete collapse is almost unprecedented.....I never seen a QB go thru such a regression in my life.  Did you predict that?  Did anybody see this coming?  The eagles will go as Wentz goes, and wentz is the major reason for this team's failures this year. 

I'm not going to defend roseman around here anymore...you guys all have your mind made up.  But he's not going anywhere.  Pedersen maybe, especially if Lurie wanted a fresh offensive mind like Eric Bienemy,.  Pedersen's idiotic refusal to bench wentz and sacrifice the season just may cost him his job.

5 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Like it or not, the eagles have made the playoffs the last 2 seasons with injury devastated rosters.........and they were able to do it because of the depth of talent the eagles had.  He managed to rebuild the eagles from the sh-- show that kelly left him.  And don't give me that horsesh-- about a bad division.....new england lived off a bad division for 20 years.

As far as this season is concerned, Wentz's complete collapse is almost unprecedented.....I never seen a QB go thru such a regression in my life.  Did you predict that?  Did anybody see this coming?  The eagles will go as Wentz goes, and wentz is the major reason for this team's failures this year. 

But that roster was mostly unchanged and was getting older. So we weren't heading in the right direction. We were back dooring it in to the play offs with an ageing roster.

I agree on Wentz though. Wentz is the major reason (Howie aside) for the struggles this year.

Jeffrey let the Colts get Frank Reich. The least they could do is let the Eagles hire Ed Dodds to replace Howie as GM.

9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But that roster was mostly unchanged and was getting older. So we weren't heading in the right direction. We were back dooring it in to the play offs with an ageing roster.

I agree on Wentz though. Wentz is the major reason (Howie aside) for the struggles this year.

Well, call it what you want, but nobody "backdoors" into the NFL playoffs.  It's been an established method for years...it's made to compensate for some divisions having too many good teams, some divisions where all teams struggle and allowing some teams to overcome bad stretches.  It's designed to overcome some teams having brutal schedules and some teams that had easy schedules......it's a good system.  The 2 teams in history that won their division with losing records actually won their first playoff game.  

As far as aging rosters, it's a  blown out of proportion excuse.  Teams that win a super bowl rarely have big roster changes over the next 2 years.  Neither did the eagles, but the amount of injuries prevented them from playing at a higher level.   I'm not going to get into Roseman's record again, many of you have made up your mind.  But rebuilding this roster after kelly and then winning a super bowl did 2 things.  It costs the eagles additional draft picks obtaining wentz and dumping salaries like maxwell, alonso and demarco murray.    Moving up into the top 2 picks in a draft is costly and getting rid of bad players with big contracts is too. They only had 5 draft picks each in the 2018 and 2019 drafts.  

The eagles have some good talent. I can't emphasize enough how bad QB play can make it seem like an offense is bad. Wentz isn't holding the ball because guys are covered....he's holding it because his reads are waaay too slow and he's doubting his ability to hit receivers.  His head has f----- up his mechanics and he's not improving.  But we've all seen this, it's not something he can play out off.....he needs a new perspective from the bench or coaches box until next year.

The eagles biggest problem is Pedersen.....His playcalling and stubbornness of making changes to spark the team is causing the whole team to lack confidence in him and especially Wentz.  Pedersen had put Wentz above the whole team and that NEVER works out well.

 

 

On 12/1/2020 at 6:36 AM, Mr_Philly said:

Lurie is not stupid, he is seeing what we all are seeing, the question is has he had enough watching this mess to have heads roll early or will he wait until after the season. I say it happens at the end of the season.

Probably. The downside to waiting til after the season is the best candidates might already be gone. Then again the best candidates (in theory at least) are with the playoff teams and won't be available until after their team is eliminated.

On 12/2/2020 at 10:13 PM, eglz1 said:

Probably. The downside to waiting til after the season is the best candidates might already be gone. Then again the best candidates (in theory at least) are with the playoff teams and won't be available until after their team is eliminated.

Hmm possibly but probably not. Most teams tend to fire HCs etc immediately after the regular season ends. So the disadvantage is more that there may be a larger pool of choices for candidates. 

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hmm possibly but probably not. Most teams tend to fire HCs etc immediately after the regular season ends. So the disadvantage is more that there may be a larger pool of choices for candidates. 

That larger pool is going to consist largely of freshly fired coaches if I read you correctly. I know some coaches get fired through no fault of their own. I wonder how much exploratory work is done while the season is still in progress. We all know that teams aren't supposed to do that and I'm sure the teams don't directly contact anyone. A team's unofficial representative unofficially contacting a prospective coach or GM's agent though? I don't know, just wonder.

Interesting how before last week there was all this talk about Hurts probably getting a lot more time, possibly even taking over if Went struggles... now this week we haven’t heard much at all, even after Wentz struggles have continued for yet another week. 

41 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

That larger pool is going to consist largely of freshly fired coaches if I read you correctly. I know some coaches get fired through no fault of their own. I wonder how much exploratory work is done while the season is still in progress. We all know that teams aren't supposed to do that and I'm sure the teams don't directly contact anyone. A team's unofficial representative unofficially contacting a prospective coach or GM's agent though? I don't know, just wonder.

Not necessarily no... If teams fire their coaches then they shall be looking for a new coach and that's when there will be competition. But I don't think by waiting until the end of the season we run the risk of missing out on prime candidate's.

On 12/1/2020 at 9:21 AM, birdman#12 said:

Of course Lurie is frustrated.....who the f--- isn't.  And I'm sure he'll get answers and will want to know how they intend to fix it.  But throwing Wentz, Pedersen and Roseman away is something a franchise like the old browns or the jets do.  And that leads to perennial losing.

There are answers and solutions to get the eagles somewhat back on track, but Pedersen can't seem to make a hard decision or hold players accountable.....Something he's never really had to do before.  A characteristic of a good HC is a guy who puts the team before all else, good or bad times.....but Pedersen is willing to throw this season away without even trying something to give a spark to the offense.  I don't know if Hurts or Sudfeld would do anything to get the offense on track, but it's worth a try. 

I'd be shocked if Lurie fires Roseman and/or Pedersen after one sh-- show if a season.  The 2 seasons before were injury riddles seasons where the team kept fighting and made the playoffs.  This year, they're a mess.  But I always said, this team will go as Wentz goes....and when it goes this bad, then Wentz needs to be benched, even if it seems like an act of desperation.

Disagree on Howie. Anyone with any sense knows that our Super Bowl was won with the help of a multitude of spot on free agency signings, which is great, don’t get me wrong. But it’s also not a sustainable way of doing business. Solid drafting is needed and Howie falls way short there. Howie needs to go yesterday. He has no more redeeming qualities. This team is easily 2 years beyond Howie’s firing from being a serious contender for anything of significance. 

14 hours ago, nipples said:

Interesting how before last week there was all this talk about Hurts probably getting a lot more time, possibly even taking over if Went struggles... now this week we haven’t heard much at all, even after Wentz struggles have continued for yet another week. 

It’s a big reason I never believe anything the media says. Especially anything that comes from "sources”.