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Doug Pederson: Eagles' Carson Wentz Can Be 'Exceptional' NFL QB After Benching

ROB GOLDBERGDECEMBER 9, 2020

Carson Wentz has lost his job for now, but Philadelphia Eagles head coach Doug Pederson still thinks highly of the quarterback. 

"I think Carson Wentz can be [an] exceptional QB in this league. He's proven that," Pederson told reporters Wednesday, per Zach Berman of The Athletic.

"... Just get back to being Carson Wentz, back on track," the coach added. "That's my focus with him."

Rookie quarterback Jalen Hurts is expected to get his first NFL start Sunday against the New Orleans Saints, per ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Hurts was taken in the second round of the 2020 NFL draft, but Wentz remained the unquestioned starter entering the season. The 27-year-old did not take advantage, throwing a league-high 15 interceptions in 12 games while setting career lows with a 57.4 completion percentage and 218.3 passing yards per game.

Injuries around him have hurt the Eagles offense, but there are few excuses for a 72.8 passer rating that ranks 31st out of 33 qualified players.

It's been a steep drop for a player who had a 98.3 passer rating over the past three years combined, averaging 260.2 passing yards per game in that stretch.

Wentz was at his best in 2017, totaling 33 touchdown passes and just seven interceptions in 13 games before suffering a season-ending knee injury. He earned his lone Pro Bowl selection that season and was considered an MVP candidate before going down for the year.

Pederson still believes Wentz can reach that level again.

The problem for Philadelphia is his contract with a $34.7 million cap hit in 2021, as opposed to $59.2 million in dead cap if he is released, per Spotrac.

The Eagles have little choice but to stick with the struggling quarterback despite his poor play in 2020.

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7 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

I think Carson Wentz can be [an] exceptional QB in this league. He's proven that

We can read all sorts in to this and who knows what Doug meant but... This could read as "I think Carson Wentz can be [an] exceptional QB in this league. He's proven that"... It just won't be here in Philadelphia.

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6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We can read all sorts in to this and who knows what Doug meant but... This could read as "I think Carson Wentz can be [an] exceptional QB in this league. He's proven that"... It just won't be here in Philadelphia.

I don't ever give Doug credit for trying to be cute with his words ... I don't think he has the capacity to do so.  

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4 hours ago, time2rock said:

I don't ever give Doug credit for trying to be cute with his words ... I don't think he has the capacity to do so.  

Let us wait for part 2 of this article, there’s going to be a "...after benching, but __________”

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On 12/10/2020 at 2:31 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We can read all sorts in to this and who knows what Doug meant but... This could read as "I think Carson Wentz can be [an] exceptional QB in this league. He's proven that"... It just won't be here in Philadelphia.

Maybe he means the Wentz is a unique talent that may dealing with something we don't know about.

In typical philly fans fashion, they've thrown wentz under the bus, have been overemotional about the season and want to overreact as a solution.  Philly fans want to think they're knowledgable, but being overemotional and want to overreaction doesn't mix with being knowledgable.  

Consistency and stability in management, head coaches and starting QB is what teams that have more success than other have......KC, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, New Orleans and Green Bay.  Long term coaches, long term QBs, and management stability.  Then teams that have constant turnover that struggle......jets, miami, chargers, houston, jaguars, detroit.....Some teams are making the transition after YEARS of being lousy.......Arizona, Cleveland, Buffalo, Indy, SF.......

The good teams go thru some ups and downs, due to injury, FA losses, the unpredictability of the draft and assistant coaching changes......but they have the structure in place to bounce back.  Bad teams go thru the same things, but don't have the structure to be consistent and bounce back.

The worst thing Lurie could do is listen to the fans and the idiotic media and make a rash decision to turn into a detroit or a houston. 

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42 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Maybe he means the Wentz is a unique talent that may dealing with something we don't know about.

In typical philly fans fashion, they've thrown wentz under the bus, have been overemotional about the season and want to overreact as a solution.  Philly fans want to think they're knowledgable, but being overemotional and want to overreaction doesn't mix with being knowledgable.  

Consistency and stability in management, head coaches and starting QB is what teams that have more success than other have......KC, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, New Orleans and Green Bay.  Long term coaches, long term QBs, and management stability.  Then teams that have constant turnover that struggle......jets, miami, chargers, houston, jaguars, detroit.....Some teams are making the transition after YEARS of being lousy.......Arizona, Cleveland, Buffalo, Indy, SF.......

The good teams go thru some ups and downs, due to injury, FA losses, the unpredictability of the draft and assistant coaching changes......but they have the structure in place to bounce back.  Bad teams go thru the same things, but don't have the structure to be consistent and bounce back.

The worst thing Lurie could do is listen to the fans and the idiotic media and make a rash decision to turn into a detroit or a houston. 

Those teams that are consistent and stable are that way because they hire smart people and get it right the first time, if you don’t hire the right people (Mike Tannenbaum, for example, who has a similar background as Howie) you’re never going to get it right. It’s just going to be a revolving door. 

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4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So we should keep Howie should we?

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22 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Consistency and stability in management, head coaches and starting QB is what teams that have more success than other have......KC, New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, New Orleans and Green Bay.  Long term coaches, long term QBs, and management stability.  

GB: LaFleur - in year 2 as HC

KC: Veach - in year 4 as GM

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On 12/11/2020 at 10:54 AM, Road to Victory said:

Those teams that are consistent and stable are that way because they hire smart people and get it right the first time, if you don’t hire the right people (Mike Tannenbaum, for example, who has a similar background as Howie) you’re never going to get it right. It’s just going to be a revolving door. 

Get it right the first time?? All of those teams had years of underperforming and QB struggles before the current run of successes....so that's bullsh--.

Pro football is enormously difficult to built a constant contender and a true crapshoot when drafting players......

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On 12/12/2020 at 8:11 AM, time2rock said:

GB: LaFleur - in year 2 as HC

KC: Veach - in year 4 as GM

LaFleur.......hasn't won anything yet.

Veach....... Year 4 as GM......1 super bowl, like Howie, and has a HC who has been there 7 years.....curious to see how effective that GM is when Mahommes 40 mill a year contract kicks in. He'll be using more than half his salary cap on 4 players.

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10 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Get it right the first time?? All of those teams had years of underperforming and QB struggles before the current run of successes....so that's bullsh--.

Pro football is enormously difficult to built a constant contender and a true crapshoot when drafting players......

Thanks for proving my point about it being a revolving door and not getting it right the first time. You’re right, the same teams have struggled for years. 

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36 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

Thanks for proving my point about it being a revolving door and not getting it right the first time. You’re right, the same teams have struggled for years. 

You had no valid point.   How do you "get it right the first time"?   C'mon, tell me how a team finds a good GM "the first time"? 

The fact is that many a GM was hired from good programs, mentored by experienced GM or coaching staffs, who didn't do well.....and there are guys who were promoted quickly, with little personnel experience, who've done well.......It's a really hard thing to do......you can find yourself in a revolving door despite doing the due diligence.  

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11 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

You had no valid point.   How do you "get it right the first time"?   C'mon, tell me how a team finds a good GM "the first time"? 

The fact is that many a GM was hired from good programs, mentored by experienced GM or coaching staffs, who didn't do well.....and there are guys who were promoted quickly, with little personnel experience, who've done well.......It's a really hard thing to do......you can find yourself in a revolving door despite doing the due diligence.  

Pitt, GB, Balt, NE, KC. - those teams have great front offices who know how to draft talent, find a franchise QB and have a succession plan for both players and the organization. 

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On 12/14/2020 at 9:07 AM, birdman#12 said:

LaFleur.......hasn't won anything yet.

Veach....... Year 4 as GM......1 super bowl, like Howie, and has a HC who has been there 7 years.....curious to see how effective that GM is when Mahommes 40 mill a year contract kicks in. He'll be using more than half his salary cap on 4 players.

Difference is Mahomes is worth that money and good enough to still carry that team even if they can’t put as much money into other players. 

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1 hour ago, nipples said:

Difference is Mahomes is worth that money and good enough to still carry that team even if they can’t put as much money into other players. 

Exactly. Mahomes is a generational talent. A transcendent talent. He's able to elevate those around him. Carson is not. Or at least it does not seem like he is.

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48 minutes ago, nipples said:

Difference is Mahomes is worth that money and good enough to still carry that team even if they can’t put as much money into other players. 

We'll see about that......of the last 15 superbowl winning QBs:

6 were on rookie contracts.....Mahommes, Wilson, Flacco, Rodgers and Roethlisburger twice

1 was making backup money......Foles

4 were Tom Brady, who won in 2005 on a NFL QB avg salary, and 2014, 2016, 2018 taking way below his market value.

2 were Eli Manning who had a #5 ranked QB salary and a #7 ranked QB salary

2 were Peyton Manning who had a #6 ranked QB salary in 2007.....but took a pay cut in 2015 which put him waaay below the top QBs in the NFL.

Many of these guys got big fat contracts AFTER they won the super bowl.  My point is that once a team breaks the bank for a QB, it becomes really difficult for that team to maintain the same success.  The Chiefs are fortunate to have Mahommes under that rookie contract for this year......then the cap hit starts......and we'll see how good the chiefs GM is at stocking that team with discount contracts.

 

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57 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

We'll see about that......of the last 15 superbowl winning QBs:

6 were on rookie contracts.....Mahommes, Wilson, Flacco, Rodgers and Roethlisburger twice

1 was making backup money......Foles

4 were Tom Brady, who won in 2005 on a NFL QB avg salary, and 2014, 2016, 2018 taking way below his market value.

2 were Eli Manning who had a #5 ranked QB salary and a #7 ranked QB salary

2 were Peyton Manning who had a #6 ranked QB salary in 2007.....but took a pay cut in 2015 which put him waaay below the top QBs in the NFL.

Many of these guys got big fat contracts AFTER they won the super bowl.  My point is that once a team breaks the bank for a QB, it becomes really difficult for that team to maintain the same success.  The Chiefs are fortunate to have Mahommes under that rookie contract for this year......then the cap hit starts......and we'll see how good the chiefs GM is at stocking that team with discount contracts.

 

Correlation does not equal causation. In general, unless you’re the cheating ass Patriots, it’s difficult for any team to win multiple super bowls in a 5-10 year period. 

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15 hours ago, nipples said:

Correlation does not equal causation. In general, unless you’re the cheating ass Patriots, it’s difficult for any team to win multiple super bowls in a 5-10 year period. 

Correlation may not equal causation......but it sure looks like teams that pay their QB 20-25% of their cap money, don't have enough cap space either raise the overall talent of the team or can't afford quality depth. So in this case, correlation just might be causation.

It would take a lot more analysis to see what other factors may be affecting this trend.....

 

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1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

Correlation may not equal causation......but it sure looks like teams that pay their QB 20-25% of their cap money, don't have enough cap space either raise the overall talent of the team or can't afford quality depth. So in this case, correlation just might be causation.

It would take a lot more analysis to see what other factors may be affecting this trend.....

 

The issue here is Tom Brady and the cheating ass Patriots Fed up the numbers. If not for the Patriots, Atlanta probably gets a SB with Matt Ryan in 2017, we’ll after his first big payday. Good chance McNabb and the Eagles get one in 2005. Peyton likely gets another one or two if New England doesn’t knock them out. 
 

Anyway, I think it’s hard to really judge how much of it is to do with QB salaries, because several other QBs would have rings after their paydays if not for those cheating ass Patriots. 

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