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Dak Prescott is holding out  

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  1. 1. Side question: How much do you think Dak is worth?

    • Less than $28M/year
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    • $28M-$29M/year
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    • $29M-$30M/year
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    • $30M-$31M/year
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    • $31M-$32M/year
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    • $32M-$33M/year
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    • $33M-$34M/year
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    • $34M-$35M/year
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    • More than $35M/year
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It looks like Eagles got right QB in draft despite injuries he's had. Wentz was able to get Eagles to an 11-2 record before getting hurt. He looked unstoppable in 2017. He played a big role in winning Super Bowl LII. Last year, Wentz won with backup players. Wentz isn't the best QB in NFL just yet, but he's up there. He still has issues to fix. He showed lots of potential in 2017. If Eagles had Dak instead, I think Howie trades him before 2019 and try to get someone else at QB.

We can say Dak had a good rookie season in 2016. He won ROTY when it should have gone to Zeke. Starting in 2017, it was shown that he needs players to carry him. When Zeke got suspended in 2017 and before Cooper in 2018, he looked like a 4th round pick that he was. I would say his best season was 2016, but lots of Cowboys fans on YouTube said his best season was 2019. Got to watch games, not stats. In some sames I saw, I wasn't impressed with Dak. He is good enough to win games (with help) but not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Giving Dak big money would be troublesome for Cowboys. Highest I would pay him is $29.5M/year. If Cowboys had Wentz instead, Garrett may not have gotten fired.

If I could do things over again, I still would have done things the same way they played out. Lots of Cowboys fans have said if 2016 draft was re-done, he would be a 1st round pick. I would pick him up in 4th round to be a backup. He would be a pretty good backup. I realized if he was on the Eagles roster in 2017, Eagles very likely don't win Super Bowl LII based on what I've seen from Dak.

A certain Cowboys fan on YouTube hate it when people blame Dak for them not being good. He have actually got visibly upset about it. Great QBs overcome less than ideal conditions. Wentz and Mahomes have done it. He would blame coaching for Dak looking bad. Romo looked fine to me. Romo would audible plays for best results of plays. Why didn't Dak? Romo played with injures and won a couple games. Why couldn't Dak? Dak overthrew Tavon Austin for a possibly game-tying score.

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Well Dak got another 1000 yard receiver tonight and Wentz didn't. That sucks.

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He is worth around the $20-25 million range.

 

I hope he gets $50 million per year guaranteed for 7 years.

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8 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Well Dak got another 1000 yard receiver tonight and Wentz didn't. That sucks.

Some of you put too much stock in college stats without considering other variables. JJAW was a 1000 yard receiver too. Meanwhile DK Metcalf was a 646 yard guy in his best season. 
 

So people trash the Eagles last year for taking the guy who put up numbers (JJAW) and passing on the guy with raw talent and not as great of numbers Metcalf). 
 

Now they draft Reagor who was a 600 yard guy last year but more pure athleticism (though he did put up 1000 the year before), and passing on the guy with numbers (Jefferson). 
 

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It's really hard to compare the two without putting them in the same environment and seeing what they could do with their tools. I would argue that Wentz, while not necessarily having the better players, has had the best "team." Wentz has gone further with less. 

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Dak has all HOF weaponz and poor, poor $128 million Carson only has two kids picked last in gym class.

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3 hours ago, Mortimer said:

Dak has all HOF weaponz and poor, poor $128 million Carson only has two kids picked last in gym class.

Carson also has this sweet backup rookie QB too

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1 hour ago, xBMTx said:

Carson also has this sweet backup rookie QB too

That'll help a ton. Lol

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Dak is a d-bag who wants to be the highest paid QB in football despite not having done ish in the playoffs. Give me Wentz any day of the week.

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4 minutes ago, mike1982 said:

Dak is a d-bag who wants to be the highest paid QB in football despite not having done ish in the playoffs. Give me Wentz any day of the week.

Cowboys just might do it. They didn't help themselves with not drafting a QB until 7th round. they didn't gain any leverage on Dak. They should have drafted a QB in 4th or even 5th round.

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Just now, gameshowfan91 said:

Cowboys just might do it. They didn't help themselves with not drafting a QB until 7th round. they didn't gain any leverage on Dak. They should have drafted a QB in 4th or even 5th round.

I HOPE they do it.

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26 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I just can't get over the weapons Dak has to work with. It's ridiculous. 

He was so "clutch" with his 9 point effort with those weapons against the Eagles last year LOL. He should be named "Mr. October," (great for baseball, not so great for football.)

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35 minutes ago, mike1982 said:

He was so "clutch" with his 9 point effort with those weapons against the Eagles last year LOL. He should be named "Mr. October," (great for baseball, not so great for football.)

I made no point about Dak though just the weapons he has. 

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4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I made no point about Dak though just the weapons he has. 

I know; I was just pointing out that Dak's a choker even with weapons LOL.

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3 hours ago, mike1982 said:

I know; I was just pointing out that Dak's a choker even with weapons LOL.

Yea ok, these two will always be tied at the hip and compared. 
Both are really good QB’s but not elite. Wentz was a golden boy of the 2016 draft even over Goff and Dak was a no body that many have never heard of before. 


Wentz was suppose to have this sky high ceiling and Dak was a good as he would ever be. 
Dak is judged so much different then Wentz because of who he plays for. 


Just look at the numbers that QB’s are rated by and Dak leads in just about everyone. 


 

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13 hours ago, Gch said:

Both are really good QB’s but not elite.

Wentz should have been the league MVP in the year he tore his ACL.  You can argue that he has not fully recovered from that injury but prior to that he certainly looked like an elite QB.

As a Cowboys fan, does Dak wanting so much money bother you?  Brady for years took less than he could because he wanted to win superbowls and wanted the team to spend money building that.  Dak does not seem to care about that too much.  The Cowboys are going to end up paying way more for Dak than the Eagles did for Carson.  

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18 hours ago, Gch said:

Yea ok, these two will always be tied at the hip and compared. 
Both are really good QB’s but not elite. Wentz was a golden boy of the 2016 draft even over Goff and Dak was a no body that many have never heard of before. 


Wentz was suppose to have this sky high ceiling and Dak was a good as he would ever be. 
Dak is judged so much different then Wentz because of who he plays for. 


Just look at the numbers that QB’s are rated by and Dak leads in just about everyone. 


 

The 1 category I'd give to Dak (and I admit it's a very important category) is availability.  Because of this availability and how much more he has played, his "numbers" should be much higher than Carson. 

Carson had no business beating the Cowboys to win the division last year.  He did it because he is ridiculously talented and can make throws that Dak couldn't dream of making.  

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8 hours ago, hputenis said:

Carson had no business beating the Cowboys to win the division last year.  He did it because he is ridiculously talented and can make throws that Dak couldn't dream of making

Absolutely! Wentz is more talented and I think more of a leader. He reads defenses better, he has a better arm and he is capable of even more insane escapes. And none of that is a knock on Dak who i think is a really good QB.

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19 hours ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Wentz should have been the league MVP in the year he tore his ACL.  You can argue that he has not fully recovered from that injury but prior to that he certainly looked like an elite QB.

As a Cowboys fan, does Dak wanting so much money bother you?  Brady for years took less than he could because he wanted to win superbowls and wanted the team to spend money building that.  Dak does not seem to care about that too much.  The Cowboys are going to end up paying way more for Dak than the Eagles did for Carson.  

I does sometimes but then he has had the lowest salary of any starting QB in the league and was making less then some backups. 
He has proven that he can play and win in this league and since he has been in the NFL his numbers rank with some of the best. 
He will always be scrutinized because he in the Dallas Cowboys QB. 
If Wentz was Cowboys QB he would be under the same scrutiny as Dak and maybe more because of his injury history. 

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5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Absolutely! Wentz is more talented and I think more of a leader. He reads defenses better, he has a better arm and he is capable of even more insane escapes. And none of that is a knock on Dak who i think is a really good QB.

I would agree the Wentz has more talent and a better arm but not a better leader. 
Wentz has been talked about by teammates for the last few years in negative ways. He doesn’t come across as a player that demands respect like other top QB’s in the league. Wentz may never reach his so called high ceiling that he was drafted for. 

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14 hours ago, hputenis said:

The 1 category I'd give to Dak (and I admit it's a very important category) is availability.  Because of this availability and how much more he has played, his "numbers" should be much higher than Carson. 

Carson had no business beating the Cowboys to win the division last year.  He did it because he is ridiculously talented and can make throws that Dak couldn't dream of making.  

He did beat Dak no doubt. But Dak has beat Wentz when he shouldn’t have even come close. 
Dak has more wins, better ratings in almost every category and it’s not because Wentz has played less games. 


 

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On 5/2/2020 at 5:26 AM, Gch said:

He did beat Dak no doubt. But Dak has beat Wentz when he shouldn’t have even come close. 
Dak has more wins, better ratings in almost every category and it’s not because Wentz has played less games. 

Are you happy that Dalton is with Cowboys? That means Dak has less leverage.

Now that Dalton is with Cowboys, I would only offer Dak $27M/year for 4 years. That's it.

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4 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Are you happy that Dalton is with Cowboys? That means Dak has less leverage.

Now that Dalton is with Cowboys, I would only offer Dak $27M/year for 4 years. That's it.

Why would a crappy QB like Daulton mean the cowboys should offer Dak way way less then what he should get? 

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