After sleeping on it I feel pretty good about the pick.  The guy seems like a real playmaker,  Hopefully he can translate it in the NFL

1 minute ago, manz2821 said:

After sleeping on it I feel pretty good about the pick.  The guy seems like a real playmaker,  Hopefully he can translate it in the NFL

He's going to get a lot of help to become the play maker we all hope he can be.

16 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

He would have went at the end of the first or top of the second if we didn't draft him IMO

He may have went at 22 to Vikings

3 minutes ago, allphilly said:

He may have went at 22 to Vikings

definitely a possibility since they already have a slot guy in thielen. In replacing the speed they lost with diggs, reagor would have been a better fit for them.

3 minutes ago, allphilly said:

He may have went at 22 to Vikings

The Vikings had there pick in only 30 secs after Eagles pick. They couldnt have called it in any faster and they were laughing while on TV calling it in.  

So I dont think he was going 22 to the Vikings. We will never know but there are analysts now saying only one team had him as a first round talent player pre draft. But we will never know the real truth. 

The fact is they took speed over talent at pick 21. Most dont hate the pick of Reagor, they feel Howie failed by taking him at 21 with the options of trading back to take him later in the first/second or if no suitors, taking a player with more talent worth the 21 pick like Murray or Ruiz and trying to trade up in the 2nd to get a Reagor or Mims.  We don't know how it will turn out but right now even the NFL writers and analysts are calling this poor in the spot and rated it a B. 

Does Howie know more then every other team? Well past shows no, but we will find out in a few years. Lets hope the majority is wrong. 

If Reagor busts and Lamb and Jefferson become all pro players that's not going to look well. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The Vikings had there pick in only 30 secs after Eagles pick. They couldnt have called it in any faster and they were laughing while on TV calling it in.  

So I dont think he was going 22 to the Vikings. We will never know but there are analysts now saying only one team had him as a first round talent player pre draft. But we will never know the real truth. 

The fact is they took speed over talent at pick 21. Most dont hate the pick of Reagor, they feel Howie failed by taking him at 21 with the options of trading back to take him later in the first/second or if no suitors, taking a player with more talent worth the 21 pick like Murray or Ruiz and trying to trade up in the 2nd to get a Reagor or Mims.  We don't know how it will turn out but right now even the NFL writers and analysts are calling this poor in the spot and rated it a B. 

Does Howie know more then every other team? Well past shows no, but we will find out in a few years. Lets hope the majority is wrong. 

You wanted them to draft a...backup C instead?  I mean I get the argument for Murray but Ruiz? Nah, not at 21. 

21 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

After sleeping on it I feel pretty good about the pick.  The guy seems like a real playmaker,  Hopefully he can translate it in the NFL

I woke up still mad we sat still and let Lamb go to the frickin cowboys.

Just now, Uscg-green said:

If Reagor busts and Lamb and Jefferson become all pro players that might end Howie.

If my Uncle had boobs he’d be my Aunt. 

Just now, Uscg-green said:

I woke up still mad we sat still and let Lamb go to the frickin cowboys.

Jesus Christ man, what part of you can’t force a trade do you not get?  

Just now, Outlaw said:

You wanted them to draft a...backup C instead?  I mean I get the argument for Murray but Ruiz? Nah, not at 21. 

So your saying it was a mistake drafting Dillard last year when we had Peters? Wentz in 2016 when we had Bradford? and so on when you draft to replace a future player you know you will need?

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

NFL writers and analysts are calling this poor in the spot and rated it a B. 

so is it a "poor" or is it a "B"?  i don't know the metrics we're working with.  do they fail if they get a B-?

27 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

I don't understand all the Raegor hate and people losing their minds. All we said last year was we need speed and especially at outside receiver. We got exactly that and one of the best options at 21 who can actually fit the offense. Now people want the slower slot receiver. As for the Lamb thing, yes of course I wanted him but teams weren't trading. Teams were taking players they wanted! There were no trades other than the TB one position nonsense. You can't force teams to trade down.

Speaking for myself most of the anger isnt coming from taking this kid (although we could have traded down and got him) it is Howie sat on his butt and allowed a game changing wr to go to the frickin cowboys.

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Speaking for myself most of the anger isnt coming from taking this kid (although we could have traded down and got him) it is Howie sat on his butt and allowed a game changing wr to go to the frickin cowboys.

Please stop. You've been banging that drum non-stop since last night. I can't take it anymore. Nobody was trading down. Didn't you see what was happening? Teams were taking the players they wanted. I could maybe see Howie getting roasted if there was all sorts of trades taking place but there just weren't. What was Howie supposed to do, give up two firsts to move six spots? Hold the other GM's at gunpoint? I don't get it

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Speaking for myself most of the anger isnt coming from taking this kid (although we could have traded down and got him) it is Howie sat on his butt and allowed a game changing wr to go to the frickin cowboys.

You don't know thats what Howie did at all

I thought with Jefferson still available that he was going to be the pick. So I was surprised with the Raegor pick. I can only hope it works out. It will suck to play the dallass twice with the Offensive weapons they have. 

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

You don't know thats what Howie did at all

I can look at the results. Dak gets another receiver that you can pencil in for 1000 yards and Wentz gets a risky boom or bust player. Yes this kid we got can be a huge boom but he has a high risk to bust. Lamb isn't going to bust.

55 minutes ago, SBorBust said:

I guess we’ll find out. I’d take Reagor over Ruggs (although I would have traded down over taking either of them).

Lol what

Oh well. Done moving on. I can only hope tonight has a better outcome. We suck drafting in the 1st but are usually alot better in 2nd and 3rd.

23 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

so is it a "poor" or is it a "B"?  i don't know the metrics we're working with.  do they fail if they get a B-?

Who said "Fail"? Fails cant be determined till at least year 2 or 3. 

Poor pick for the spot of 21 is the consensus. If Howie had a better track record in the position and drafts it might have gone over different. 

Now where most are saying Howie failed was figuring out a better way to get him in a different spot. trading back, trading up in the 2nd, trading back in back end of the first to get him where is was more of a "value" for the spot. That is what the draft is about. Finding and drafting the player that fits the best value in the spot. Thats why I love the term Best Player Availaible(BPA). 

12 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I can look at the results. Dak gets another receiver that you can pencil in for 1000 yards and Wentz gets a risky boom or bust player. Yes this kid we got can be a huge boom but he has a high risk to bust. Lamb isn't going to bust.

He can get 1k for the end of time, who cares? Dak threw for almost 5k last year and they still lost the division. I like wentz with reagor more than dak with anyone. There was no way the eagles were getting lamb, none. Unless you wanted lamb to be the only player the eagles drafted in the first 3 rounds 

Ducked my head in the Packers board. And I thought we were mad lol. Wow. Of course the Cowboys board is ecstatic. They got another great receiver while sticking it to us.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Who said "Fail"?

Poor pick for the spot of 21 is the consensus. If Howie had a better track record in the position and drafts it might have gone over different. 

so it's "poor" but they rated it a "B"...  what eff'd metrics are they using?  if it's a poor pick, rate it a "D" or an "F", rating a pick a "B" indicates it wasn't a poor pick.  it indicates the pick was good, but whoever is rating it just wants to call it poor "just cause".

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Which bits, you think I read prospect ranking lists wrong?  you think the one CBS skills breakdown page you've hung your hat on outweighs that he was 9th ranked WR on their big board? or that literally every report on him says he doesn't do well with contact from physical corners on the outside and projects as a slot / z guy at NFL level?

Or is it you think our FO has a good record at WR post Maclin?

At the end of the day I hope you're right and he becomes a legit receiver, because if me and most of the sports media writers are right we just drafted another Philly reach, that'll go for 500-600yards a season trying catching the over the middle stuff that doesn't go to the TE's and screen stuff that we couldn't play worth a damn last year.

hes not a slot WR. he can play the slot but he is not a slot WR. his catch radius isnt that small when you factor in his vertical. the majority of rankings are wrong yearly as they change their rankings due to needing clicks. he clearly wasnt actually ranked that low from reports that the saints and niners wanted him in the first.

 

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Reagor is a slot receiver, he's projected as mainly a slot or z guy because he doesn't do well with contact on the outside, plus he's short and has a smaller radius than the ideal for a deep threat. Jefferson is 4 inches taller and played all over for LSU.

Preferring Reagor who didn't catch balls because his QB 'wasn't good enough' over Jefferson who snagged loads of receptions because his QB was good enough just about kills me.

Ever since the season ended I've read and agreed with lots of people saying our FO can't evaluate WR's worth a damn, I've read 13 separate WR draft prospect rankings from NFL.com to Yahoo and can only find 2 that have Reagor higher than 8th, yet we took him as the 4th WR off the board, it would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn Eagles.

 

I liked Reagor over Jefferson so if it was between the two I like the pick. 

35 minutes ago, Mdod10 said:

Jefferson caught 109 passes from the slot last year. He had 111 catches total So I have no idea where you are coming up with him playing "all over” for lsu. He was a slot receiver in college. He will be forced to play on the outside in minny now so we will see how that plays out. 

He is not 4 inches taller than reagor and he played with the best qb in college football. Easier to put up stats when 70% of the passes thrown your way are accurate/catchable. Reagor played with a true freshman who borderline stunk. 
 

Not saying reagor will be better than Jefferson or Jefferson will be a bust but if you are going to a knock a guy, at least get the facts straight. 

Jefferson is variously listed as between 6ft 1.5inches (185cm) and 6-3 (188 on Minnies draft page), Reagor is 5-11, so being charitable we'll say between two and a half and 4 inches. When Reagor had Kenny Hill throwing 67% completion at QB he couldn't break 600 yards.  As for the QB, would you have taken Ruggs ahead of Reagor?  He had the second best QB in football throwing him the football, as well as having Jeudy and Smith alongside him to keep the defense occupied.

I wouldn't mind people arguing this stuff so much if Reagor was consensus top 5 prospect, but he isn't this is literally a signal example of Philly going against the scouting grain on a WR again just like JJAW and yet people on here are like 'this is great' because he's fast, not stopwatch measurable fast, but people watching video fast.

I'm done arguing this I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but if I was a betting man I wouldn't bet a carrot on Howie against the combined college scouting fraternity at WR.