Guest Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Since 2000 we've only had 1 disaster season. That was in 2012 when they ended up with 4th overall pick. Every other season they've either made play offs or were mediocre and won 7,8,or 9 games. Only exception was 2005 season when we won 6 games, BUT still ended up picking 14th overall. Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl through the draft (Jeffrey, Smith, Blount, Long - all key contributors were FA signings). Meanwhile every team in our division has had disaster seasons enabling them to stock pile top picks. Cowboys - only 4 since 2000, but the recent one in 2015 (when they actually had a decent team, but had injuries) allowed them to get top level talent. Giants - 3 in a row now after coming off a year they won 11 games, and had some talent on the roster (some since traded) Redskins - 3 in last 6 seasons, and now we have to deal with Chase Young for 10+ years. Overall all those years of getting band aide fixes have hurt us. Instead of going 7-9 and getting a mid round draft pick we miss on. We should've went 4-12 and got a top 5 pick, and those are a bit easier to hit on. Last year is a good example. I wanted to win division, but looking back was it worth losing in wild card game only to see the biggest pu$$Y team in all of sports get arguably the top WR you coveted so much? Yeah we won super bowl and none of the other teams have (Giants won 2 in recent memory, BUT both of their wins weren't from years of getting top draft picks). Bottom line is i'd trade a handful of those mediocre seasons we've had for some poor seasons and better draft picks. Dallas getting on this talent on offense now is scaring me a bit even though their D will take a step back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedanone82 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Patriots do fine without having top picks. Key is talent evaluation, you got to be much better when you're picking at the bottom. Also knowing when to trade guys away. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Thats why we have to go get a franchise safety with this pick today. Along with the defensive guys we added in FA we could have the best defense in the division and that will be enough for a 10+ win season and playoff birth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, thedanone82 said: Patriots do fine without having top picks. Key is talent evaluation, you got to be much better when you're picking at the bottom. Also knowing when to trade guys away. horrible example IMO It's only a matter of time before their cheating scandals are all exposed. I'm fairly convinced they were taping teams walk throughs for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Making the playoffs too much is quite a take. If you're not having any "disaster" seasons that means you don't need top picks to get better. Every year there is talent to be found late 1st round and every other round. It's about talent evaluation and drafting well regardless of the spot. They also did trade up to #2, so you can get high picks through trades if you really want to. Teams are judged on winning games, playoff appearances, playoff wins and championships. No team's goal is to tank for draft picks. There are plenty of successful teams that continue to build in the 2nd half of the rounds just fine. In fact, talent can fall to you as evidenced last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, NOTW said: Making the playoffs too much is quite a take. If you're not having any "disaster" seasons that means you don't need top picks to get better. Every year there is talent to be found late 1st round and every other round. It's about talent evaluation and drafting well regardless of the spot. They also did trade up to #2, so you can get high picks through trades if you really want to. Teams are judged on winning games, playoff appearances, playoff wins and championships. No team's goal is to tank for draft picks. There are plenty of successful teams that continue to build in the 2nd half of the rounds just fine. In fact, talent can fall to you as evidenced last night. What i was saying though is in 2015 or 16 the Cowboys were actually supposed to contend, then the injury bug hit and they went 4-12 and were able to draft Zeke. When we have injuries kill us we go 9-7. It'd be nice for once to have a high draft pick/picks to go along with injured guys we already have coming back. Too late for that now, because i don't think we should be wasting any of Wentz's years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, SNOORDA said: Thats why we have to go get a franchise safety with this pick today. Along with the defensive guys we added in FA we could have the best defense in the division and that will be enough for a 10+ win season and playoff birth Mckinney or Delpit than. I do not trust davis from cal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Mckinney or Delpit than. I do not trust davis from cal. Yup. Gotta replace jenkins which i was fine with seeing leave. He just wasn't inspiring this defense like the leader he is AND lost a step as well. It was the perfect time to move on from him. As long as we use draft capital which means 2nd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, SNOORDA said: Yup. Gotta replace jenkins which i was fine with seeing leave. He just wasn't inspiring this defense like the leader he is AND lost a step as well. It was the perfect time to move on from him. As long as we use draft capital which means 2nd round i think Jenkins has another 2 years in him. His play didnt drop too much they just asked him to play LB more because we have no LBs. Would love to see either guy mentioned but i think we will have to trade up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: i think Jenkins has another 2 years in him. His play didnt drop too much they just asked him to play LB more because we have no LBs. Would love to see either guy mentioned but i think we will have to trade up for them. It more how he led an uninspiring defense since the sb. I put a lot of that on his shoulders which may be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, SNOORDA said: It more how he led an uninspiring defense since the sb. I put a lot of that on his shoulders which may be wrong you got a point to a degree, Once Mills came back the defense was more fired up. Green GOblin FTW!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 It's difficult to support tanking when you have a franchise QB. GM's job is to find the talent through Draft, FA, trades to win a SB while you have the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 We’ve made the playoffs the last two years with a horrendous injury list. Heck we even won the Super Bowl with a really bad set of injuries. Just need to draft some good players and stay healthy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman#12 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I'd like to hear of any team that could have endured the eagles injuries over the last 2 years and made a playoff run. And every f------- offseason, we have to hear how the eagles have no talent, bad drafts, will have a losing season, can't depend on any guys coming back from injury, can't expect any young players to develop, or some other whiny overreaction from the idiot media and the fans who listen too much to them. Yeah, it's important that they stay healthier, it's important that 1st and 2nd year guys contribute, it's important that the coaches get the most out of them.......the same as any other team in the NFL. They're going to be much younger on average, they've added some really good talent this offseason and it's far from over. They won't get the hype like the cowpies or patriots, but who gives a sh--? For all the ****ing and moaning around here, the eagles have improved their talent, increased team speed, still have 7 draft picks and are 3rd in the NFL for cap space. Get your f----- panties out of your a--, and wait until they actually play the games. You see the same teams picking in the top 10 every year, cleveland, miami, washington, cincinnati, detroit, etc......what has all those "great" draft picks got them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBhunter58 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 So the Redskins and Giants are "unintentionally tanking" you say? First of all, did either of these teams have a young franchise QB during these awful seasons? You build around the QB. Second, I love drafting elite talent as much as the next guy, but overall I prefer to have a reason to watch the Eagles every week. The eagles performing well adds a little excitement to my sundays and improves my overall mood. In the grand scheme of life I would rather my team make the playoffs every year and settle with where we are in the draft than be mediocre or awful. However, I would like to note... I would much prefer to be awful than mediocre, at least there is consultation in finishing with a terrible record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Abracadabra said: It's difficult to support tanking when you have a franchise QB. GM's job is to find the talent through Draft, FA, trades to win a SB while you have the QB. I'm not saying to tank But these other teams either have good seasons or horrible seasons Meanwhile we have good seasons or average seasons which equate to constantly picking in middle or end of draft. AND when Howie isn't that great of a drafter to begin with, it hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Depth pick. Have to have a deep roster to go the distance in this league. And qb is the most important position on the team. Plus, you can net a 1st in a trade (see bradford) under the right conditions. I dont know. Im reaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Matt03785 said: What i was saying though is in 2015 or 16 the Cowboys were actually supposed to contend, then the injury bug hit and they went 4-12 and were able to draft Zeke. When we have injuries kill us we go 9-7. It'd be nice for once to have a high draft pick/picks to go along with injured guys we already have coming back. Too late for that now, because i don't think we should be wasting any of Wentz's years. Having injuries and still winning games means you had good depth and were able to succeed. That's not a bad thing. Overall, teams, coaches and players are judged on win/loss records, playoff appearances/wins and championships. If they had missed the playoffs the last 2 years people would say SB hangover, they were a one hit wonder/fluke and they suck, time to rebuild, etc. Teams that are successful more often than not, manage to add talent in the 2nd half of the draft order. Because your team is already strong so you can focus on adding talent. We see it almost every year, a perennial playoff team snatching up talent in the last 1st round people get jealous. Guys fall in the draft and they scoop them up. Meanwhile, the Eagles draft a QB in round 2 instead of draft DE Epenesa, WR Mims which would be great picks. So they could have added much better talent right where they're at without tanking. It's about drafting well regardless of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 In 2017 when we won the Super Bowl, these were our premier picks that helped us there: 2017 1st round pick on rotational DE 2017 2nd round pick on injured DB 2016 1st round QB who didn’t play 2016 no 2nd round pick 2015 1st round WR who we win with or without 2015 2nd round CB who was dumped to team we beat in SB And now These 2 picks aren’t indicative of how 2020 or any future season will go. Enough with the sky-is-falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I'm going on record now. This is going to be a bad season. If we have one that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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