DaEagles4Life Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/9/22275304/salesfore-remote-work-9-to-5-workday-is-dead-flex-coronavirus Salesforce declares the 9-to-5 workday dead, will let some employees work remotely from now on ‘It no longer makes sense to expect employees to work an eight-hour shift.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp81318 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 My 9-5 has turned into 7-6. 🙁 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul852 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 This is just your typical manipulation to make employees feel like they are the ones making out in these deals. They know most employees will do more than 8 hours a day on average. It's just like the companies that do "unlimited vacation". Employees actually take less vacation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I've been putting in way more hours since working from home. It pisses my wife off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Paul852 said: This is just your typical manipulation to make employees feel like they are the ones making out in these deals. They know most employees will do more than 8 hours a day on average. It's just like the companies that do "unlimited vacation". Employees actually take less vacation. Exactly. In my world, 9 to 5 wasn't a reality in the first place. And I'm not anti-working from home. But without the office as a starting line/finish line, I'm checking emails over breakfast at 7am, and responding to requests at 9pm. And my job know they're getting more out of us because of our ingrained obsession with work. And also, the other company-friendly benefit of unlimited vacation is they don't have to pay out if you quit or get laid off. Twenty vacation days is a number that they owe you..."unlimited" isn't a number. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: I've been putting in way more hours since working from home. It pisses my wife off. Yup. I even told the client's lead architect that I need to start coming back to the office to get a break. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_hunt Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 vacation time isn't really vacation time anyway. it's pretty much impossible for me to take a full week off & not have to check on things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 I must be in the minority because I wake up without an alarm clock, walk the dog, make espresso, then sign on. I sign off when the work is done or when I feel like the work is done. Hell, I am still in bed as my 13 year old is making breakfast and getting ready to start school. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: vacation time isn't really vacation time anyway. it's pretty much impossible for me to take a full week off & not have to check on things. I almost ripped the throat of this one lousy PM because of the way he interrupted my vacation. I gave everyone everything then needed with only a few loose ends that I was going to tie up in the AM before we started our day (I'm the early riser in the relationship). This PM must have called me a dozen times. At one point he called frantically about a "gap" that "he found". paco: Why were you not aware of this? I sent you a full email stating what the issue is and what support we need from you to help resolve this. "PM": Oh, I didn't understand it so I ignored it. I. Fing. Lost. It. After chewing his ear off for a good 15 minutes about how not only has he dropped the ball that is eating in on my vacation time, there were times in the past he pulled the same s*** and left on vacation with things unresolved causing the client to panic that I had to clean up while he was out of office relaxing. I was livid, pacing in circles and yelling into the phone. The rest of the people on the beach must have thought I was a lunatic. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul852 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Gannan said: I've been putting in way more hours since working from home. It pisses my wife off. 10 minutes ago, Lloyd said: Exactly. In my world, 9 to 5 wasn't a reality in the first place. And I'm not anti-working from home. But without the office as a starting line/finish line, I'm checking emails over breakfast at 7am, and responding to requests at 9pm. And my job know they're getting more out of us because of our ingrained obsession with work. And also, the other company-friendly benefit of unlimited vacation is they don't have to pay out if you quit or get laid off. Twenty vacation days is a number that they owe you..."unlimited" isn't a number. I don't even think twice about work after I put in my time. Having two young kids pretty much makes it hard to care about work beyond what is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I must be in the minority because I wake up without an alarm clock, walk the dog, make espresso, then sign on. I sign off when the work is done or when I feel like the work is done. Hell, I am still in bed as my 13 year old is making breakfast and getting ready to start school. I use to be terrible about working from home but COVID has forced me into a good routine as well. I'm usually awake before schoopie (but most mornings I'm lazy and don't get out of bed until she starts stirring), get up, take the dogs out, make schmoopie coffee, feed the dogs, take care of any remaining dishes and then scrape\warm up schmoopies car. Somewhere in between there I also get about 15-20 minutes of prep work done. After she leaves I go down to the basement and start my day. Because I get a good hour and a half to two hours of work in before everyone else, most days I call it a day when she gets home. Today I needed to wake up early to head to the shore to take care of some things, so I set my alarm for 5. I rolled out of bed at 4:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I must be in the minority because I wake up without an alarm clock, walk the dog, make espresso, then sign on. I sign off when the work is done or when I feel like the work is done. Hell, I am still in bed as my 13 year old is making breakfast and getting ready to start school. There are benefits like I start my day later, and I go out an exercise during my lunch break. We are just so damn busy that I hit my 40 hours by Wed. night or Thursday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I have never worked 9-5 in 43 years of being employed. I did work at home as an OSS for a company out of Johnstown Pa. and yes I worked way more hours than I would have with an office to go to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Paul852 said: I don't even think twice about work after I put in my time. Having two young kids pretty much makes it hard to care about work beyond what is required. This is how my wife wants me to be. I'm trying to set some more boundaries so I can have more family time. I do like my employer quite a bit. To their credit they are are hiring me more help so hopefully it gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSnowsHair Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, paco said: Yup. I even told the client's lead architect that I need to start coming back to the office to get a break. This.. this triggers me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: This.. this triggers me... why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSnowsHair Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, paco said: why? I share an office with my wife now, who I love dearly but I'm tired of hearing her complain about how loud I am when she's on conference calls My kids are around way too much, even with them being back in school I can roll out of bed at 7am and start working until 6pm and barely notice (outside of kids bugging me or wife griping) I'm working far more hours than when I was commuting honestly, the days I (used to) work in the office were always short. I have a relatively long commute, so I would only be in the office about 6 hours (otherwise the day was crazy long) 3x a week. now? I feel like I'm always on call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I share an office with my wife now, who I love dearly but I'm tired of hearing her complain about how loud I am when she's on conference calls My kids are around way too much, even with them being back in school I can roll out of bed at 7am and start working until 6pm and barely notice (outside of kids bugging me or wife griping) I'm working far more hours than when I was commuting honestly, the days I (used to) work in the office were always short. I have a relatively long commute, so I would only be in the office about 6 hours (otherwise the day was crazy long) 3x a week. now? I feel like I'm always on call. You need to start doing this to her (some NSFW language)... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSnowsHair Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: You need to start doing this to her (some NSFW language)... that is brilliant I had seen the "you're late for work" one a while ago, I didn't know there was a whole season of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: that is brilliant I had seen the "you're late for work" one a while ago, I didn't know there was a whole season of these That guy is so awesome. Id' get straight punched in the face for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSnowsHair Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: That guy is so awesome. Id' get straight punched in the face for it the one with the period is perfect .. the faces he's making, it's like he's expecting her to smack him through the door.. then she comes out and I thought she was gonna beat him with the ukulele 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we_gotta_believe Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 The whole 9-5 concept is weird. Who actually started work that late, even before the pandemic? And are these people not eating lunch? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Though whole 9-5 concept is weird. Who actually started work that late, even before the pandemic? And are these people not eating lunch? 9 is a great time to start. Drop the kids off then go to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanHammersly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: The whole 9-5 concept is weird. Who actually started work that late, even before the pandemic? And are these people not eating lunch? I start at 9 and eat lunch at 11:30. No breakfast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we_gotta_believe Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I start at 9 and eat lunch at 11:30. No breakfast. Too many early meetings for me to start that late, even if I wanted to. The latest would maybe be 8:30 or so. Back when I was in research, the culture was totally different and the work was more self-moderated so some people would show up as late as 10 and stay until 6. Just seemed weird to me to want to stay that late. As for lunch, I do the same, eat at 11 or 11:30 and skip breakfast. I basically have two meals a day, mostly out of convenience when I was still going to the office, but now purely out of habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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