12 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Spain will experiment with four-day workweek, a first for Europe

For years, advocates for a four-day workweek have argued that a compressed schedule could lead to more productivity and a better work-life balance — a perspective that has gained credence in some countries amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has wrought drastic changes to the way people work.

Spain is about to find out firsthand whether it works. The country is poised to become one of the first to experiment with a 32-hour workweek, which would allow workers to spend less time at the office without any change in pay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/15/spain-four-day-workweek/

And this is why they fail

19 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Spain will experiment with four-day workweek, a first for Europe

For years, advocates for a four-day workweek have argued that a compressed schedule could lead to more productivity and a better work-life balance — a perspective that has gained credence in some countries amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has wrought drastic changes to the way people work.

Spain is about to find out firsthand whether it works. The country is poised to become one of the first to experiment with a 32-hour workweek, which would allow workers to spend less time at the office without any change in pay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/15/spain-four-day-workweek/

That was the other announcement my company made. They are piloting a 4 day work week for select staff. 

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

And this is why they fail

Lots of companies in the U.S. have 4-tens as a regular shift.  32 hours is part-time though.  Lol

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

And this is why they fail

To clarify, we aren't going to a 32 hour work week. I'll still be working 50-60 hours a week. Ill just supposedly be doing it over 4 days. In reality I'll probably just get to knock off a little early on Friday afternoons which I do already when I can. 

Another fun shift common in the U.S. is 4-twelves.

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Another fun shift common in the U.S. is 4-twelves.

Yeah I typically work 13-15 hours a day (but with breaks in there for lunch and dinner and of course posting here!). On Fridays I just do what absolutely needs to be done and try to knock off by early afternoon if I can. I think others do the same because I rarely get meeting requests for Friday afternoons. 

Back when my kids were small and things were tight, and crazy, I figured it was actually better for me to work 4 days.  The savings on the day care vs my horrible pay, but yet kept all benefits is what kept me sane.  No one was killed.   I only did it for less than a year I think.    I was at home Wednesdays just as a mom.  Picked that day to  not interfere with others taking vacations. Everyone wants off on either Friday or Monday. That was nice too, less times had to see and deal with that person(s).  I did like the balance it provided.  

10 hours ago, Gannan said:

My company just announced that work from home is permanent. 

We just got an email basically preparing everyone that we’ll be going back soon probably.  The team I work with is all in a different country, so hopefully I’ll have some more flexibility with being able to WFH.  I’ve been going in around twice a month since last March.

10 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Lots of companies in the U.S. have 4-tens as a regular shift.  32 hours is part-time though.  Lol

I retired from the city at 50 w/ 30 years of service.  Last 10 years was a 9/80 schedule.  It was sweet

now im "retired” i work 10 yrs 7 days mostly

I've been full remote since last March.  My boss asked me my thoughts/opinion on returning to the office once everyone has opportunity to get the vaccine during my performance review. I told him that while WFH has its benefits, I think there is a major lack of coordination and general awareness of what others in the office are working on and a growing disconnect between coworkers. I think we should return to the office 3-4 days per week with flexibility to WFH 1-2 days if desired. 

20 hours ago, Gannan said:

To clarify, we aren't going to a 32 hour work week. I'll still be working 50-60 hours a week. Ill just supposedly be doing it over 4 days. In reality I'll probably just get to knock off a little early on Friday afternoons which I do already when I can. 

At one of my previous jobs we had the option of working four 10s, it was awesome.  Nothing like leaving work Tuesday with the feeling that the week is halfway over. 

22 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Lots of companies in the U.S. have 4-tens as a regular shift.  32 hours is part-time though.  Lol

That’s how my current job is. I love it. Fridays, and Saturdays if needed are overtime. 

22 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Lots of companies in the U.S. have 4-tens as a regular shift.  32 hours is part-time though.  Lol

As long as I get 50 hours between 9am to 3pm my job doesn't care if you start at 530am or 930am. 

2 hours ago, Imp81318 said:

I've been full remote since last March.  My boss asked me my thoughts/opinion on returning to the office once everyone has opportunity to get the vaccine during my performance review. I told him that while WFH has its benefits, I think there is a major lack of coordination and general awareness of what others in the office are working on and a growing disconnect between coworkers. I think we should return to the office 3-4 days per week with flexibility to WFH 1-2 days if desired. 

We do an all company stand up zoom meeting once a week, then we have a daily stand up meeting over zoom for my division every day, then I have small team stand ups for projects every other day. I actually think we are more informed of what everyone is doing WFH. 

23 hours ago, vikas83 said:

And this is why they fail

Why?   What is "working"?    Sitting at your desk sending emails?   I don't think the number of days or hours "worked" guarantees success - nor does more vacation time and and a shorter work week guarantee failure.  It is all about efficiency.   I'm a sprinter -- not a marathoner.  I literally do more work in 3 or 4 hour spurts than some people do in 3 days of sitting at their desk.    As a non hourly worker though, I'm essentially on 24/7.    There is no 9 to 5 for professionals.   Heck, I can't even have a peaceful lunch hour anymore.   In the 90s, you went to lunch, and there was no expectation of immediate availability (no texts, emails, etc.).  Now, its just another part of the work day.    

Of course, sometimes too much efficiency can get you into trouble:

 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

We do an all company stand up zoom meeting once a week, then we have a daily stand up meeting over zoom for my division every day, then I have small team stand ups for projects every other day. I actually think we are more informed of what everyone is doing WFH. 

I'm not sure how big your company is, but mine is more than 2,000 employees spread across the world. What I consider my 'office' that I was really referring to is one floor of one of the 3 buildings in our corporate headquarters and we have around 50 people or so on that floor. We could maybe narrow that down to half of that number if looking just at my division specifically, but that's still 25 people. And my company doesn't do a good job (in my opinion) of communicating with the staff.  Even my direct supervisor often has no idea what I'm working on and I sometimes go weeks without talking to him. 

7 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

I'm not sure how big your company is, but mine is more than 2,000 employees spread across the world. What I consider my 'office' that I was really referring to is one floor of one of the 3 buildings in our corporate headquarters and we have around 50 people or so on that floor. We could maybe narrow that down to half of that number if looking just at my division specifically, but that's still 25 people. And my company doesn't do a good job (in my opinion) of communicating with the staff.  Even my direct supervisor often has no idea what I'm working on and I sometimes go weeks without talking to him. 

My current one isn't that big, but like you said its all about communicating. I've hired people during the pandemic who I have never met in person. I talk to the people under me every day.

On 3/16/2021 at 10:14 AM, Gannan said:

My company just announced that work from home is permanent. 

Lucky bastage

23 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Another fun shift common in the U.S. is 4-twelves.

I have done 4 twelve hours shifts 1 week, and 3 twelve hour shifts the next in the past. One week you work F-S-S, and the next you are off for a 3 day weekend. It's was pretty cool IMO. They let us trade days with our counterparts if we wanted as long as we got our hours and they had coverage. And for using time off, if you picked the right days, 24 hours of vacation time got you a full 7 day week off.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-01/return-to-office-employees-are-quitting-instead-of-giving-up-work-from-home?utm_content=billionaires&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-billionaires&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

Employees Are Quitting Instead of Giving Up Working From Home

The drive to get people back into offices is clashing with workers who’ve embraced remote work as the new normal.

 

Just curious: How much of the time "at work" or "working" is everyone actually working?  How much of your time at work is used for getting coffee, small talk with a co-worker when you pop in to ask a work-related question, or taking a few minutes while online to check something out?  Sometimes I wonder when I'm working if I'm too lazy and things like getting up for a drink, responding to a non-work-related text, or browsing a website for a few minutes is adding up to too much time.  But then at the same time, I can see trying to work every single minute turning into that Office episode where Dwight Schrute tries to prove that he can go a whole day without wasting a single second of company time.

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-01/return-to-office-employees-are-quitting-instead-of-giving-up-work-from-home?utm_content=billionaires&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-billionaires&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

Employees Are Quitting Instead of Giving Up Working From Home

The drive to get people back into offices is clashing with workers who’ve embraced remote work as the new normal.

Good. Weed out the useless. 

17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

What? You mean decisions have consequences???

UNFAIR!!!

On 3/16/2021 at 10:52 AM, vikas83 said:

And this is why they fail

 

You actually didn't give a reason for why they'd fail, though,  you just replied to a post that said they were doing it. If you just stack your hours on less days and actually are more productive in the same amount of time, why couldn't it work? It can certainly work for an individual, but for the masses? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.entrepreneur.com/amphtml/372869

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