April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: Because it doesn’t make any sense. You draft in the first three rounds for starters and key contributors. You don’t pick developmental players you’re planning to flip! It’s stupid. Frankly if you have a QB with durability issues then you get a competent veteran backup instead. You draft developmental players in the 5th round or later. This team needs a starting corner, possibly safety, another receiver, and another back, but instead pick a 2nd round pick who won’t play unless Carson gets injured. Do you really believe if Carson goes down in a playoff game a rookie is coming off the bench to win that game? He could. Really depends on how fast he develops. Hurts is a really talented kid....and apparently he's pretty sharp too. His ceiling is being compared to Russell Wilson. That's a pretty high mark.
April 25, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I think Howie is my worst fear. He’s a fraud who lucked into a Super Bowl and his true crappy colors are showing once again. Absolutely agree..lucked out on a bunch of free agent signings. Hasn't sustained any success at all and makes brutal early round picks that have crippled the team. He is flat out horrible.
April 25, 20205 yr Players like Tannehill, Bradford, and Bridgewater have all been involved in trades in recent years. Backup QBs can have value. I know the Eagles have plenty of holes, but we are in it for the long haul with Wentz. He is young and signed to a big deal. That means the Eagles are going to need to rely on cheap rookie talent, castoffs from other teams, and FA to fill the roster. But mostly the rookie draft picks. Assuming Wentz can be relatively healthy we can expect another 10 years of play from him. Build for the future. For the record, I don't like the pick at all. But I don't hate it. I like that they are thinking to the future. I'll just be happy if they come out of this draft with more than 2 starters.
April 25, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said: He could. Really depends on how fast he develops. Hurts is a really talented kid....and apparently he's pretty sharp too. His ceiling is being compared to Russell Wilson. That's a pretty high mark. I doubt a rookie comes off the bench and wins a playoff game, but if he does then how do you go back to Wentz at that moment? It would have been like Belicheat going back to Drew Bledsoe.
April 25, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, DevilMayRage said: Absolutely agree..lucked out on a bunch of free agent signings. Hasn't sustained any success at all and makes brutal early round picks that have crippled the team. He is flat out horrible. Giving up a 3rd for a half season rental player that didn’t even fit. Totally unacceptable, but got a pass cause he won a SB.
April 25, 20205 yr Whatever way you try and look at this... This is a really bad situation they've created.
April 25, 20205 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: Giving up a 3rd for a half season rental player that didn’t even fit. Totally unacceptable, but got a pass cause he won a SB. Again....Metcalf could be here. Now during the season we will be looking at all the players the Eagles could have had that are performing well elsewhere. Its lunacy. Howie seemed enamored with repeating past success with players that seem similar in the draft to ones that have been here. Think Pumphrey and Sproles, Jeffery and Whiteside, ect and it does not work. Hell, they want Reaglor to be D Jackson. I'm sure he had visions of Wentz getting hurt and Hurts saving the day because it happened with Foles...you can't play the draft that way. The draft assets are too valuable and he continues to squander them. The roster sucks because of him now. The guy does not know football. He is a pencil neck geek with a big ego.
April 25, 20205 yr Howie is a terrible GM in the draft and Lurie needs to get a handle on this because he's just put this team back again.
April 25, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, Devaster said: Players like Tannehill, Bradford, and Bridgewater have all been involved in trades in recent years. Backup QBs can have value. I know the Eagles have plenty of holes, but we are in it for the long haul with Wentz. He is young and signed to a big deal. That means the Eagles are going to need to rely on cheap rookie talent, castoffs from other teams, and FA to fill the roster. But mostly the rookie draft picks. Assuming Wentz can be relatively healthy we can expect another 10 years of play from him. Build for the future. For the record, I don't like the pick at all. But I don't hate it. I like that they are thinking to the future. I'll just be happy if they come out of this draft with more than 2 starters. You don’t need to draft a kid in the second round to create value! Especially on a team that filled with holes and the teams in your division got better. It makes no sense because the only value Hurts creates would be a 1st round pick anything other that is just negligible or devalued. You can’t rationalize this decision to make sense.
April 25, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I doubt a rookie comes off the bench and wins a playoff game, but if he does then how do you go back to Wentz at that moment? It would have been like Belicheat going back to Drew Bledsoe. Nick Foles came in and won 2 playoff games, the Super Bowl....and they went back to Wentz. Nick Foles came in and won another playoff game the following year and they still went back to Wentz. It's already happened in TWO seasons. lol.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: You don’t need to draft a kid in the second round to create value! Especially on a team that filled with holes and the teams in your division got better. It makes no sense because the only value Hurts creates would be a 1st round pick anything other that is just negligible or devalued. You can’t rationalize this decision to make sense. Exactly.....even if his value gets to round 1 value....are they trading him? That is just idiotic to use draft assets this way. The rational is nonexistent, it is inexcusable for a GM to perform this way. F'ing Wentz is getting paid a crap ton....the GM has to draft well now to get him inexpensive weapons, a stud LB, a freaking long-term answer at safety. The whole defense aside from D-tackle is not at all stable. You cannot blow a 2nd pick like this.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, DevilMayRage said: Exactly.....even if his value gets to round 1 value....are they trading him? That is just idiotic to use draft assets this way I heard on an Eagles podcast during this off season that sometimes the Eagles FO think they are the smartest in the room. Well I think Howie has shown this once again. He thinks he's the smartest in the room. Trouble is... He was the only one in the room and still wasn't the smartest.
April 25, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said: Nick Foles came in and won 2 playoff games, the Super Bowl....and they went back to Wentz. Nick Foles came in and won another playoff game the following year and they still went back to Wentz. It's already happened in TWO seasons. lol. Nick Foles a career backup is not a 2nd round pick in the draft. You know it isn’t the same and if Wentz gets hurt AGAIN there’s no way they dump the kid for an oft-injured guy. Wentz is gone at that very moment.
April 25, 20205 yr Howie Roseman is a guy on a deserted island who gets handed 2 eggs and 2 baby pigs. He starts planning out how he is going to hatch the eggs and build a chicken coop and breed the pigs out for years. In 30 days, he dies of starvation, and vultures eat the eggs and pigs. Just make a Taylor Pork roll and egg sammich now, Howie!
April 25, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, DevilMayRage said: Exactly.....even if his value gets to round 1 value....are they trading him? That is just idiotic to use draft assets this way. The rational is nonexistent, it is inexcusable for a GM to perform this way. F'ing Wentz is getting paid a crap ton....the GM has to draft well now to get him inexpensive weapons, a stud LB, a freaking long-term answer at safety. The whole defense aside from D-tackle is not at all stable. You cannot blow a 2nd pick like this. If Hurts plays himself into a first round value he surpasses Wentz. There’s no way the Eagles can go back to Wentz in that scenario. If Pat Mahomes comes off the bench and plays like Mahomes do you keep Wentz or Mahomes? One of them has to go and I’m not keeping the fake MVP over the real one.
April 25, 20205 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: If Hurts plays himself into a first round value he surpasses Wentz. There’s no way the Eagles can go back to Wentz in that scenario. If Pat Mahomes comes off the bench and plays like Mahomes do you keep Wentz or Mahomes? One of them has to go and I’m not keeping the fake MVP over the real one. I agree. I mean best case here... Hurts develops and they flip Wentz? Or they flip Hurts for more than they've just given up. But that's a huge gamble, a huge risk and you just don't draft that way.
April 25, 20205 yr Guys - you may hate the pick - its your prerogative. But please don't rely on drivel written by a hack like Roob as a premise.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: If Hurts plays himself into a first round value he surpasses Wentz. There’s no way the Eagles can go back to Wentz in that scenario. If Pat Mahomes comes off the bench and plays like Mahomes do you keep Wentz or Mahomes? One of them has to go and I’m not keeping the fake MVP over the real one. No matter what, we won't gain value. There's a reason teams draft QBs in Round 4 or later. I guarantee other GMs are rolling on the floor about how Howie ran this draft. Just now, Procus said: Guys - you may hate the pick - its your prerogative. But please don't rely on drivel written by a hack like Roob as a premise. It has nothing to do with Roob. It's a dumb pick because logic and common sense dictates it. We don't need the media to tell us.
April 25, 20205 yr Just now, CaliEagle said: No matter what, we won't gain value. There's a reason teams draft QBs in Round 4 or later. I guarantee other GMs are rolling on the floor about how Howie ran this draft. Well you do actually gain value if Hurts becomes an MVP caliber QB especially if he’s able to stay healthy. You got your value out of Wentz and you’re left with a better player and can flip Wentz. (the older and more injury prone player for a 1st) Regardless it’s a poor plan and you’re right. Howie looks like a joke right now.
April 25, 20205 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: Well you do actually gain value if Hurts becomes an MVP caliber QB especially if he’s able to stay healthy. You got your value out of Wentz and you’re left with a better player and can flip Wentz. (the older and more injury prone player for a 1st) Regardless it’s a poor plan and you’re right. Howie looks like a joke right now. The odds are against us getting a # 1 or more for either. Could it happen? Yes. But, very remote chance.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, CaliEagle said: The odds are against us getting a # 1 or more for either. Could it happen? Yes. But, very remote chance. Let’s say Thorson became a viable backup they could flip. Well that’s good draft capital, because these a chance the get at least one of for picks ahead of his selection. The best the could get for Hurts would be a one or a two plus something. It just doesn’t add up to a good business decision let alone a good football one unless they’re souring on Carson.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: Let’s say Thorson became a viable backup they could flip. Well that’s good draft capital, because these a chance the get at least one of for picks ahead of his selection. The best the could get for Hurts would be a one or a two plus something. It just doesn’t add up to a good business decision let alone a good football one unless they’re souring on Carson. That's why you draft backup QBs later. Tonight, Howie really has to be the laughingstock tonight in GM circles.
April 25, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, CaliEagle said: That's why you draft backup QBs later. Tonight, Howie really has to be the laughingstock tonight in GM circles. Can’t believe how anyone can rationalize this decision. It was just horrible, and that’s not to say the kid can’t play. It’s really not fair to him or Wentz at this point.
April 25, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Can’t believe how anyone can rationalize this decision. It was just horrible, and that’s not to say the kid can’t play. It’s really not fair to him or Wentz at this point. Agreed it's a terrible move for both players. I feel sorry for both. The fact Mims was on the board makes this even worse.
April 25, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Agreed it's a terrible move for both players. I feel sorry for both. The fact Mims was on the board makes this even worse. They supposedly liked Mims too. I would rather they got Wentz another weapon than getting him another QB controversy.
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