To think we used to bash Chip Kelly for not understanding the concept of value in the draft and we have Howie making similarly questionable decisions this year. 

The cruel irony of the nerdy GM who was once humbled by an arrogant HC/GM that took his title, only for that HC to commit career suicide with his questionable moves, creating the perfect situation for the nerdy GM to come back and save the day with a Super Bowl win a few years later.

Who would have thought that this very same formerly humbled GM would start acting like the arrogant HC/GM that preceded him? 

38 minutes ago, chut26 said:

You can make the argument that the 2nd most important position on the Eagles (under Wentz) is the backup QB. 

That's exactly what Howie did in justifying his pick. The QB position is the most important one. He also said he wants to the Eagles to be a QB factory. 

That's all fine but not in the second round.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

There's no QB controversy

Of course there is. Whether they or you want it that is exactly what is going to happen. 

Just now, Uscg-green said:

Of course there is. Whether they or you want it that is exactly what is going to happen. 

There's definitely QB controversy. Whether it's in the locker room or not there is with the fans and the media. It's a story they'll run with for months no matter what the team says. 

You don't use the 53rd pick on a backup QB. You take one that high as an eventual replacement.

49 minutes ago, chut26 said:

Patriots were able to turn jimmy garoppolo into a 1st round pick

Uh they traded him for a 2nd rounder 

For all those trying to justify the pick by bringing up QB being the most important position. 
 

Why not take a QB in the first round then?

11 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

For all those trying to justify the pick by bringing up QB being the most important position. 
 

Why not take a QB in the first round then?

Well apparently they were interested in Jordan Love...

1 hour ago, Procus said:

1.  I am not Dave.  Puhleeze.

2.  Go read up on Joe Gibbs and the Redskins.

1. We'll see. We'll see.

2. I was around when Joe Gibbs was god in WAS. And when he came back and failed miserably. A quote from Joe Gibbs doesn't mean it's an inviolable law, carved into stone tablets. It's just a quote. The fact is, it was a horrible pick. Hurts won't see the field, except for maybe avg 3-5 snaps a game. And if he does, we have a lot of problems and aren't winning anything for a long time.

We have needs, now. You don't use a 2nd Round pick on a luxury like backup QB when you have a 26 year old franchise QB under contract for the next 5 years for huge money. Especially when you need a C, and IOL depth, and a back up (maybe starting) LT. Especially, especially when your Defense got smoked regularly on long balls and had trouble getting off the field on 3rd and long. And, especially, especially, especially when your WR corps is the worst in the league.

I sincerely admire your optimism. But Howie had "I am the smartest guy in the room" syndrome on that pick. And the room was empty.

1 minute ago, YubaEagle said:

1. We'll see. We'll see.

2. I was around when Joe Gibbs was god in WAS. And when he came back and failed miserably. A quote from Joe Gibbs doesn't mean it's an inviolable law, carved into stone tablets. It's just a quote. The fact is, it was a horrible pick. Hurts won't see the field, except for maybe avg 3-5 snaps a game. And if he does, we have a lot of problems and aren't winning anything for a long time.

We have needs, now. You don't use a 2nd Round pick on a luxury like backup QB when you have a 26 year old franchise QB under contract for the next 5 years for huge money. Especially when you need a C, and IOL depth, and a back up (maybe starting) LT. Especially, especially when your Defense got smoked regularly on long balls and had trouble getting off the field on 3rd and long. And, especially, especially, especially when your WR corps is the worst in the league.

I sincerely admire your optimism. But Howie had "I am the smartest guy in the room" syndrome on that pick. And the room was empty.

I am not Spuds.  Stop it.

Just now, Procus said:

I am not Spuds.  Stop it.

Just busting balls, my man.

Just now, YubaEagle said:

Just busting balls, my man.

Ball busting is fine - but you crossed the line 😁

Why are people only looking at Wentz being signed to big money the next 5 years? If he continues to play as well as he has and is healthier he will be paid the big money for the next 10+ years. Lot of opportunities to win there.

All it takes is 1 or 2 successful drafts to net the additional cheap players to open up the championship window for 3-5 seasons. Savvy veteran FA signings and cheap rookies is where the Eagles will need to get most of their talent going forward with money heavily invested in a few star players. Every other team with their franchise QB signed long-term deals with this.

Just now, Devaster said:

All it takes is 1 or 2 successful drafts to net the additional cheap players to open up the championship window for 3-5 seasons.

Won't be getting that with our sack of ish GM though. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Won't be getting that with our sack of ish GM though. 

Maybe so. Definitely hasn't been good outside of Wentz and Goedert the last few seasons.

1 minute ago, Devaster said:

Maybe so. Definitely hasn't been good outside of Wentz and Goedert the last few seasons.

And actually the Goedert pick lets see. Nothing wrong with the talent but the strategy? I mean if he's gone after this year in favour of keeping Ertz? Bad strategy to pick him. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And actually the Goedert pick lets see. Nothing wrong with the talent but the strategy? I mean if he's gone after this year in favour of keeping Ertz? Bad strategy to pick him. 

Could keep both around. I'd rather have Ertz or Goedert in the slot than the shitshow of slot receivers we have had. Or you trade one away before it is too late and teams know we are desperate and the value isn't there.

Just now, Devaster said:

Could keep both around. I'd rather have Ertz or Goedert in the slot than the shitshow of slot receivers we have had. Or you trade one away before it is too late and teams know we are desperate and the value isn't there.

With the contract Ertz wants? And Goedert around the same time? Given the fact we've not really maximised the potential of having both together? I doubt it. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

With the contract Ertz wants? And Goedert around the same time? Given the fact we've not really maximised the potential of having both together? I doubt it. 

Can't be afraid to let a beloved fan favorite be traded away like Ertz before it is too late then. Belichick is ruthless and the Eagles should be as well. Can't afford to pay everyone now that Wentz is paid.

12 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Yeah but Wentz doesn't. That's who I feel bad for.

I feel like Carson is 100% ok with this.

He got the big contract and has the confidence and ability. Just needs to stay away from the media dopes and win a fricken super Bowl

An interesting and upsetting point that has been brought up elsewhere is the possibility of Wentz's concussion being worse than what was reported or maybe the team has already picked up on signs that he is considering early retirement due to injury?

I think it's a bit of a longshot since it's usually multiple concussions that spur the conversation for early retirement, not ACL, MCL, and shoulder injuries followed by 1 concussion.

The only silver lining here is the extra motivation for Wentz to perform well. Hopefully Reagor and whoever else they can bring in on offense can be enough for Wentz to work with. Hurts as a versatile weapon can only be on the field for so long if you're not starting him.

6 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

An interesting and upsetting point that has been brought up elsewhere is the possibility of Wentz's concussion being worse than what was reported or maybe the team has already picked up on signs that he is considering early retirement due to injury?

I think it's a bit of a longshot since it's usually multiple concussions that spur the conversation for early retirement, not ACL, MCL, and shoulder injuries followed by 1 concussion.

The only silver lining here is the extra motivation for Wentz to perform well. Hopefully Reagor and whoever else they can bring in on offense can be enough for Wentz to work with. Hurts as a versatile weapon can only be on the field for so long if you're not starting him.

I think that Doug and Howie have bought into the narrative that  Wentz is injury prone. Like I said, they didn't defend him at all when it came to Clowney's cheap shot. Doug actually defended Clowney more than his own QB.  Pretty telling.  Mike Zimmer defended his OL, for god's sake, when he was cheapshotted in the playoffs.  Yet, the Eagles' franchise QB gets taken out early in the game and Doug and Howie act like it's nothing. So, that's where I think most of this is coming from. Plus, they might've felt that they stuck it to Dallas who might have been looking at Hurts in Round 3 because Cooper Rush isn't very good and Dak's contract situation. But, that is even more moronic to steal a backup QB from a rival when you have needs.

2 hours ago, judunno said:

Well we did get a 2nd rounder for Feeley that one time 🙂 Anything is possible

Ha yeah. But Feeley was a 5th rounder...that's great return on investment. Hurt is a 2nd rounder...so first we gotta hope that he develops into a pro in the first place. And second we gotta hope that he develops into enough of a pro to fetch good value.   (I know you're aware of this,  I'm just whining). 

1 minute ago, Lloyd said:

Ha yeah. But Feeley was a 5th rounder...that's great return on investment. Hurt is a 2nd rounder...so first we gotta hope that he develops into a pro in the first place. And second we gotta hope that he develops into enough of a pro to fetch good value.   (I know you're aware of this,  I'm just whining). 

Well if you do the calculus with Hurts relative to Feeley we could potentially get a return of a -1 Rounder