March 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I support unemployment insurance funded by companies for assistance if someone is laid off. I don't support welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare or any other entitlement programs. And I will say outloud the part you think is a "gotcha" -- if someone dies because they can't afford medical care, I'll sleep fine. People need to be responsible for their own lives. I feel like there's an acceptable middle ground between letting people live off of handouts indefinitely or just letting them and the families they support starve and die in the streets, same goes for caring for the elderly and infirm.
March 3, 20214 yr If republicans had their way, the Minimum wage would still be $5.15. Republicans have never met a minimum wage increase they have supported. That's because they are not pro worker even though they claim to be. They want to eliminate workers health insurance, eliminate unions and eliminate workers rights. they don't give workers tax cuts, but rather give them to their employers. Republicans are the enemy of the American worker.
March 3, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Vikas would rather step over corpses in the street as he strolls to pick up his next polo. Like he wouldn't hire someone to remove them properly so he wouldn't have to step over them
March 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: when Republicans had no answers for the scale of human suffering. Almost a century later, and they still don't. It's still "As long as I get mine!"
March 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I'd rather people have to feel consequences for their poor decisions as opposed to rewarding them. Hey, you can't support your kids and decided to have MORE kids? Here's more money. Genius strategy. I am logically consistent. We have fought a war on drugs for decades that has done nothing, and I want to end it. We have fought a war on poverty for over half a century, and you liberals keep telling me it has accomplished nothing. So...maybe try something new. I support unemployment insurance funded by companies for assistance if someone is laid off. I don't support welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare or any other entitlement programs. And I will say outloud the part you think is a "gotcha" -- if someone dies because they can't afford medical care, I'll sleep fine. People need to be responsible for their own lives. And seriously? Polos are delivered dude. Only the poors walk to stores. I think min wage should be handled on a state level too, but getting rid of all the bolded is fantasy world stuff that will never happen in a representative democracy. People are going to vote for programs that help them personally, just like the rich will vote for lower taxes. The only way you're going to get this kind of libertarian utopia is in a dictatorship (which, of course, means it won't be a libertarian utopia at all).
March 3, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I feel like there's an acceptable middle ground between letting people live off of handouts indefinitely or just letting them and the families they support starve and die in the streets, same goes for caring for the elderly and infirm. fallacy of the middle 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Almost a century later, and they still don't. It's still "As long as I get mine!" no...it's "go get your own"
March 3, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: If republicans had their way, the Minimum wage would still be $5.15. Republicans have never met a minimum wage increase they have supported. That's because they are not pro worker even though they claim to be. They want to eliminate workers health insurance, eliminate unions and eliminate workers rights. they don't give workers tax cuts, but rather give them to their employers. Republicans are the enemy of the American worker. hysterical nonsense
March 3, 20214 yr If you’re a grown a** adult working a minimum wage job you have bigger problems. Minimum wage jobs are meant for part time gigs. High school/college kids, summer jobs, second job for extra cash, etc...
March 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: hysterical nonsense You can't handle the Truth or facts.
March 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: You can't handle the Truth or facts. no, I can't handle hysterical children like you.
March 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: no, I can't handle hysterical children like you. Yeah, pathetic imbecility. Keep your head buried in the sand. but it's the truth and I can provide facts each every word of it.
March 3, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: no, I can't handle hysterical children like you. While we're bringing up logical fallacies...ad hominem
March 3, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, bobeph said: If you’re a grown a** adult working a minimum wage job you have bigger problems. Minimum wage jobs are meant for part time gigs. High school/college kids, summer jobs, second job for extra cash, etc... Does the truck stop gloryhole pay more than minimum wage?
March 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: While we're bringing up logical fallacies...ad hominem That’s a red herring
March 3, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I feel like there's an acceptable middle ground between letting people live off of handouts indefinitely or just letting them and the families they support starve and die in the streets, same goes for caring for the elderly and infirm. If we were discussing limited assistance with a defined timeframe for those that fall on hard times, that's a worthwhile discussion. I also support government intervention in truly disastrous situations with unmitigatable risk -- COVID being an obvious example. No one can plan for a complete shutdown of the economy. But expanding on failed policy and doubling down on stupidity? Hard pass.
March 3, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I think min wage should be handled on a state level too, but getting rid of all the bolded is fantasy world stuff that will never happen in a representative democracy. People are going to vote for programs that help them personally, just like the rich will vote for lower taxes. The only way you're going to get this kind of libertarian utopia is in a dictatorship (which, of course, means it won't be a libertarian utopia at all). Of course it won't go away and only get worse. We have an entire system that is funded by a small few to buy the votes of the masses. There is nothing funnier than people lile Liz Warren screeching about the rich paying their fair share when (i) the rich are the only ones paying and (ii) we already have the most progressive income tax system in the developed world. But I agree it will only get worse because people have decided state sponsored theft is legitimate, and it will lead the eventual decline of American exceptionalism. Welcome to one of the two primary reasons I don't have children. The other being...children are annoying AF.
March 3, 20214 yr 40 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: If republicans had their way, the Minimum wage would still be $5.15. Republicans have never met a minimum wage increase they have supported. That's because they are not pro worker even though they claim to be. They want to eliminate workers health insurance, eliminate unions and eliminate workers rights. they don't give workers tax cuts, but rather give them to their employers. Republicans are the enemy of the American worker. It's "pro-worker" to implement policy that could eliminate millions of jobs and destroy many small businesses.
March 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's "pro-worker" to implement policy that could eliminate millions of jobs and destroy many small businesses. Evidence that small business has been destroyed because of the minimum wage where millions of jobs have been eliminated. I call BS.
March 3, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Of course it won't go away and only get worse. We have an entire system that is funded by a small few to buy the votes of the masses. There is nothing funnier than people lile Liz Warren screeching about the rich paying their fair share when (i) the rich are the only ones paying and (ii) we already have the most progressive income tax system in the developed world. But I agree it will only get worse because people have decided state sponsored theft is legitimate, and it will lead the eventual decline of American exceptionalism. Welcome to one of the two primary reasons I don't have children. The other being...children are annoying AF.
March 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Evidence that small business has been destroyed because of the minimum wage where millions of jobs have been eliminated. I call BS. Quote Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025 could deliver raises for 27 million workers and lift 900,000 Americans above the poverty threshold—but the policy would cost 1.4 million Americans their jobs over the next four years, according to a study released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office Monday. President Biden and many Democrats are pursuing legislation to more than double the current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour in phases, saying it would lift many low-wage workers out of poverty and deliver pay increases to many essential employees during the coronavirus pandemic, including workers at grocery stores, warehouses and in delivery vans. Republicans and some businesses and economists have warned that such an increase could cost jobs as the U.S. recovers from pandemic layoffs. https://www.wsj.com/articles/15-minimum-wage-would-cost-1-4-million-workers-jobs-lift-900-000-from-poverty-cbo-study-finds-11612800875#:~:text=Raising the federal minimum wage,the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office
March 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/15-minimum-wage-would-cost-1-4-million-workers-jobs-lift-900-000-from-poverty-cbo-study-finds-11612800875#:~:text=Raising the federal minimum wage,the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office So go get a new job, and stop being poor. (Am I doing this right?)
March 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/15-minimum-wage-would-cost-1-4-million-workers-jobs-lift-900-000-from-poverty-cbo-study-finds-11612800875#:~:text=Raising the federal minimum wage,the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt small businesses, but projections from the CBO isn't evidence. Evidence would be showing it's effect on small businesses in states where it's already been implemented.
March 3, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, rambo said: Does the truck stop gloryhole pay more than minimum wage? Are you kidding? Not even liberals want min wage at $100/hr. Lots of work though. You gotta swallow a ton of semen in an hour. It’s not a job for the lazy welfare type.
March 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt small businesses, but projections from the CBO isn't evidence. Evidence would be showing it's effect on small businesses in states where it's already been implemented. No, that wouldn't be "evidence" either for reasons already discussed in this thread. The cost of living varies significantly by state, so while some may be able to implement the $15 minimum wage without causing a devastating ripple effect, not all could.
March 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Since we're advocating a return to the glory days of centuries passed, why not do away with all those pesky child labor laws while we're at it? I like it!!!!
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