2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

ok

I worked at an inner-city school several years ago.  The problems are worse than you can imagine.  
 

...but saying you had no idea your child was struggling?  C’mon

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

I worked at an inner-city school several years ago.  The problems are worse than you can imagine.  
 

...but saying you had no idea your child was struggling?  C’mon

Oh I believe you.  I can watch it again but from my first view I'd say even if her story is 100% true it still does not resolve her of the prime responsibility.

10 hours ago, TEW said:

 

This country is so Fing Fed.  

Dramatically different than the school I taught in. We didn't fail black students. Of course I would give them F's if they didn't pass, or missed too many classes. But my grades were always changed over the summer by the principal so we could brag about how good the GPAs were for our African American students. Doing so allowed the district to receive more NCLB funding from the federal government. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Dramatically different than the school I taught in. We didn't fail black students. Of course I would give them F's if they didn't pass, or missed too many classes. But my grades were always changed over the summer by the principal so we could brag about how good the GPAs were for our African American students. Doing so allowed the district to receive more NCLB funding from the federal government. 

Well, I guess this school is at least honest about their student performance. 

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Dramatically different than the school I taught in. We didn't fail black students. Of course I would give them F's if they didn't pass, or missed too many classes. But my grades were always changed over the summer by the principal so we could brag about how good the GPAs were for our African American students. Doing so allowed the district to receive more NCLB funding from the federal government. 

Yeah I bet that behavior is pretty common.

32 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah I bet that behavior is pretty common.

I never taught high school anywhere else and I only taught high school for 3 years (though it felt like 30), so I don't now ow common it is. However my guess is that it is pretty common since schools are financially motivated to do so because of how NCLB funding works. 

I also had a 20 year old 8th grader once (that was fun). We had to promote him to 9th grade since the school didn't like the idea of a 20 year old man sitting next to 12 and 13 year old girls in the junior high. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I never taught high school anywhere else and I only taught high school for 3 years (though it felt like 30)

What did you teach?

I don't know how you go 4 years without checking your kids report card.  I get an email from the school they're coming home on a certain date and me and the wife sit down and review them that night.  As a matter of fact, you generally have to sign the official copy and return it.  We also have access to our kid's portals so I can see how they're doing on their assignments.  I check at least once a week.  Can't speak for the absence/tardiness because my kids never have that issue.

This is on the parents.  She works 3 jobs, yada, yada, yada...she can't take 10-15 minutes a day to review her kids portals to see how they're doing.  Either the school has the worst contact system, she didn't care to update her contact info to correct info or she just didn't give af until it up and punched her and her kid in the dick.

1 minute ago, rambo said:

I don't know how you go 4 years without checking your kids report card.  I get an email from the school they're coming home on a certain date and me and the wife sit down and review them that night.  As a matter of fact, you generally have to sign the official copy and return it.  We also have access to our kid's portals so I can see how they're doing on their assignments.  I check at least once a week.  Can't speak for the absence/tardiness because my kids never have that issue.

This is on the parents.  She works 3 jobs, yada, yada, yada...she can't take 10-15 minutes a day to review her kids portals to see how they're doing.  Either the school has the worst contact system, she didn't care to update her contact info to correct info or she just didn't give af until it up and punched her and her kid in the dick.

Every time I check the portal I think, "thank God they didn’t have this sheet when I was a kid.”  I really don’t check it anymore though.  My daughter hasn’t gotten a "B” since 6th grade.  

47 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

What did you teach?

Communications Technology, Information systems, Technology Basics, and Intro to Technology. 

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Communications Technology, Information systems, Technology Basics, and Intro to Technology. 

Did you teach any nuts and bolts programming or more the general systems thinking, etc.?

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Did you teach any nuts and bolts programming or more the general systems thinking, etc.?

No. Im not a programmer. Info Sys was a fun one. 

Principal: There's no curriculum or text book for information systems, but your students should be able to pass the A+ certification test by the end of the course.

So I picked a straight forward Microsoft text for that one. It was all hardware. We actually built a computer in that course. 

The school could have intervened sooner if the parents were at all involved. They were oblivious, the student had no care, so the school simply moved him along with the rest of the class. Then the kid eventually gets to graduation without earning the credits. He should have been in 9th grade all along. But if at any point the school had said he failed to advance, suddenly it's: What did the school do wrong to fail the kid? Nobody wants to tell the kid it's his fault for failing to do the work.

Ultimately it's up to the parents. The school isn't going to raise your kids for you. I'm sorry the mom works too many jobs to keep up... But I don't completely buy the mom's story either. She's willfully neglect of his grades.

Lack of parenting is ruining this country.

Whiny beotch parents whine and complain that the school isn't teaching manners, behavior, etc. These should come from YOU beotch, and the teachers REINFORCE by their similar behavior.

Kids are now raised by game consoles, TV and YouTube, because their beotch parents won't take their responsibility seriously.

Parents were HORRIFIED by my 'military' attitude. I'm a veteran, but USAF, not combat. I fixed radar. As a parent you have to make rules and then enforce them. You have to be consistent.

More important, you have to spend time with them BEING the kind of person you want them to be.

44 minutes ago, Gannan said:

No. Im not a programmer. Info Sys was a fun one. 

Principal: There's no curriculum or text book for information systems, but your students should be able to pass the A+ certification test by the end of the course.

So I picked a straight forward Microsoft text for that one. It was all hardware. We actually built a computer in that course. 

Got it.  The entire space is a large one so plenty there to cover.

15 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Lack of parenting is ruining this country.

Whiny beotch parents whine and complain that the school isn't teaching manners, behavior, etc. These should come from YOU beotch, and the teachers REINFORCE by their similar behavior.

Kids are now raised by game consoles, TV and YouTube, because their beotch parents won't take their responsibility seriously.

Parents were HORRIFIED by my 'military' attitude. I'm a veteran, but USAF, not combat. I fixed radar. As a parent you have to make rules and then enforce them. You have to be consistent.

More important, you have to spend time with them BEING the kind person you want them to be.

Yes.  It used to be "it takes a village" but that's all gone.  My mother was a teacher for about 15 years before moving up into administration and I saw things start to degrade 1st hand starting probably 30 years back and it has just accelerated ever since.

1 hour ago, bobeph said:

Every time I check the portal I think, "thank God they didn’t have this sheet when I was a kid.”  I really don’t check it anymore though.  My daughter hasn’t gotten a "B” since 6th grade.  

I check my kids grades pretty often but it's just a formality at this point. My son is going into high school next year and was accepted into a specialized engineering program for which he both had to pass a test, get references and maintain high grades to even be considered. My daughter is young but is always a favorite of all her teachers. I really believe just showing lots of interest in their education from the beginning is the most important thing a parent can do. They then know from the how important it is because you make it important.

59 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Lack of parenting is ruining this country.

Whiny beotch parents whine and complain that the school isn't teaching manners, behavior, etc. These should come from YOU beotch, and the teachers REINFORCE by their similar behavior.

Kids are now raised by game consoles, TV and YouTube, because their beotch parents won't take their responsibility seriously.

Parents were HORRIFIED by my 'military' attitude. I'm a veteran, but USAF, not combat. I fixed radar. As a parent you have to make rules and then enforce them. You have to be consistent.

More important, you have to spend time with them BEING the kind of person you want them to be.

I had a professor that said on the first day that he could predict the chances of educational success for a child while they were still in the womb...

#1 predictor of success: education level of the mother

#2 predictor of success: education level of the father

 

Are there exceptions? Sure, but most of my career experiences in education proved him right more often than not. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Lack of parenting is ruining this country.

And BLM supports the destruction of the nuclear family.

2 minutes ago, NVeagle said:

And BLM supports the destruction of the nuclear family.

Yeah, I feel bad that the 50s are gone, but there it is.

Maybe this will help you.

 

 

6 minutes ago, NVeagle said:

And BLM supports the destruction of the nuclear family.

They said "disruption" of the nuclear family, but they've taken down that page: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

In theory, I don't really have a problem with it. That basically is the "it takes a village" philosophy, but I'm not sure what their vision is for putting that into practice. We should broaden our thinking to consider alternative family structures as valid. It's true that students from two-parent households are more successful, but I don't see any reason that it has to inherently be a "nuclear" family structure. As long as you have multiple people shouldering the responsibilities, any structure can theoretically work.

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

They said "disruption" of the nuclear family, but they've taken down that page: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

In theory, I don't really have a problem with it. That basically is the "it takes a village" philosophy, but I'm not sure what their vision is for putting that into practice. We should broaden our thinking to consider alternative family structures as valid. It's true that students from two-parent households are more successful, but I don't see any reason that it has to inherently be a "nuclear" family structure. As long as you have multiple people shouldering the responsibilities, any structure can theoretically work.

I don't know man.  Nuclear family is pretty damn important.  Who is the village?  You want school to parent your child?  Then you better not throw a hissy fit when they punish them for behavior and grades.  Are you enlisting a signup genius for friends to check your kids work, mentor them, teach them responsibility, etc...I really think a strong nuclear family is a big part in a child's success in life.  It's a big reason for a lot of the problems in less affluent areas.

12 minutes ago, rambo said:

I don't know man.  Nuclear family is pretty damn important.  Who is the village?  You want school to parent your child?  Then you better not throw a hissy fit when they punish them for behavior and grades.  Are you enlisting a signup genius for friends to check your kids work, mentor them, teach them responsibility, etc...I really think a strong nuclear family is a big part in a child's success in life.  It's a big reason for a lot of the problems in less affluent areas.

When I think of nuclear family, I think of strictly a married mother/father relationship, your stereotypical post-WWII heterosexual couple with 2.5 kids and a picket fence scenario. I believe this is how sociologists use the term; it has fairly specific conditions. Now, sure, you can argue that that has proven to be a pretty effective mechanism for childrearing (might want to consider divorce rates, though), but as long as you have two (or more for all I care) loving parents, I don't see why that couldn't be effective. I do think that single-parent households are very difficult on kids' performance, though. I would never advocate for that situation.