1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed. It only makes sense if Wentz isn't the long term answer and they are having doubts. And since they gave him a long term deal last year and he then played all 16 regular season games and took a cheap shot in the play offs that caused concussion I doubt they've changed their mind on him. 

This is another reason Howie blows...at the time they signed Wentz...they didn't have to.

Now picture Wentz in the mist of a prove it season before the financial investment. The pick of Hurts at that point is at least more understandable. But the idiot Howie paid Wentz. They commited to him. Now you have to build around him....not freaking draft a 2nd round QB the next year. Its asinine! This is just like guaranteeing the Alshon contract this year. Howie absolutely blows resources constantly and makes horrible financial decisions. The trickle down effect is destroying this team.

It's not being discussed enough how Eagles made this move because they see themselves in a SB window. Which means they don't want to waste valuable rosters if their QB happens to go down

I’ve been thinking a lot about the Jalen Hurts pick. We all know Carson is a simple dude...hunting, fishing, ministry, etc. He already has more money than he or his kids will ever need in his eyes, and most definitely will by the end of his current contract. I don’t see him being an Eli, Rivers, Ben, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc. playing into his late 30’s or to 40. Do you?  We may have 5ish more years out of him until he calls it quits (or less if he one day pulls an Andrew Luck over mounting injuries). Jalen will only be 25-26 at that time, with years of experience in this offense under his belt.  Sudfeld is also going to move on after this year, and do we really trust him to jump in if Carson goes down and take us through the playoffs?  Look I love Carson, and he is THE man here, but we all know Carson’s odds of finishing a full season aren’t the greatest. Jalen is your #2 and gadget player, and your potential future #1. I don’t love it at 53, but I’m beginning to understand it a bit more. I think there was 0 chance he was there at 103. 

We've all debated whether or not Hurts was worth a 2nd round pick in terms of the Eagles roster.  Put that aside for a moment, and work under the assumption that he is a stud who will thrive under the right offense.

Hurts had a much publicized meeting with the Cowboys.  Dallas already drafted its share of Sooners over the weekend - including the much heralded Cee Dee Lamb.  Dak Prescott is on a franchise tag and is in no hurry to sign long term.  The Cowboys could have very easily drafted Hurts, let him ride the bench for a year, then kiss Prescott goodbye and have the luxury of having a stud QB on a rookie contract for 4 years.  Instead, the Cowboys have their very own Kirk Cousins nightmare situation and are faced with either devoting a significant chunk of the team's cap space to Prescott or otherwise facing problems at the QB position over the next few years.

Now shifting over to the discussion I had with another board member on another thread - why should the Eagles blow a 2nd round pick just to hurt Dallas?  Well, in the first place, the team didn't blow a pick - the Eagles drafted a very good player who probably will see his share of action given Wentz' injury history.  But more to the point - if Hurts turns out to be a stud QB and was drafted by the Cowboys instead of the Eagles, Dallas conceivably could have dominated the Eagles over the course of the next 4-6 years and cost the team several wins, not to mention playoff seeding and home field advantage.  A nightmare scenario for the Eagles.

If my analysis is true, the team got excellent value on this second round pick as it translates not only into wins, but possibly one or more NFC East Championships and more playoff games at home.  Do the math gents!

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

We've ended the past 3 years with a backup QB playing in playoff games.  2016 SB champion Patriots relied on a Garoppolo (a second round pick) to win games early in the year when Brady was suspended.  2019 Saints went 5/5 with Bridgewater against a pretty tough schedule on their way to a 13 win season.  Bridegwater's salary was 7.25 million for that year. 

Backup QBs can make or break a team and good ones tend to cost either significant draft capital, and that's only going to become more significant as the number of games increases and first round byes are down to 1.

I don't remember the Pats team but Saints had a bunch of talent on offense for Bridgewater to succeed with

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't remember the Pats team but Saints had a bunch of talent on offense for Bridgewater to succeed with

Of course, but those weapons would have meant very little if they didn't have a somewhat competent QB. You need both. Panthers and Jaguars had fairly good offensive weapons as well last year and you see what Allen and Minshew were able to do with em.

I don’t think he sucks. Kid played at two college football powerhouses and was successful. Picked up both offenses, which shows some semblance of football wisdom. Runner up for the Heisman.....I’m interested in seeing how they utilize him.

2 hours ago, greggpall said:

I like the pick. A cheap back-up. A potential great starting quarterback. I'm not a talent evaluator but looking at his record 38 wins 4 losses,  and stats, 2019 - 3rd in passer rating, 7th in all of ncaa in comp percentage what is considered his weakness. 2nd in qb rushing yards , way above any top tier qb.  2nd place in Heisman voting. They are also getting an interim gadget play, quarterback. I think he could be the next Donovan Mcnabb,  without the headcase issues. When I look at all the moves the Eagles made in the later rounds I even like the pick more. I think this was a great draft. I hope the Eagles draft like this for the foreseeable future.   

He can't stand in the pocket and throw. 

Give him some time, I think he can learn that. If he was perfect he would be the number 1 overall pick. I think the risk is worth the reward. 

for those saying "you are overestimating Hurts talent"

 

It's as if you weren't Eagle fans in 2017-18.

Imagine this statement when Nick Foles was drafted.

"We have to start Foles over Vick because 1 day.. he will out duel Tom Brady in the Super Bowl that will set a record for most yardage in any game in NFL history"..."He will drop dimes in such a way that will make him look like Joe Montana or John Elway"

If Foles taught us anything it's any player, given the opportunity..can play great.

13 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

The only way this pick makes sense is if they genuinely have doubts about Wentz being our long term quarterback. 
 

Otherwise you sign a backup like Flacco or Keenum and take a project quarterback to develop.

Wentz is damaged goods, only a matter of time in the next few years before he is out of the NFL, imo... FO knows this as well, confirmation with the Hurts pick.

11 hours ago, The Norseman said:

I just think that this experiment has failed so many times.  The only way this makes sense to me is if they aren't happy with Wentz and want to trade him next year for a king's ransom to let this kid take the helm.  I don't think that's the case, and therefore I don't like the pick. 

I think that this is exactly the case. When you put all the pieces together....All the rumblings from Jeffrey about Wentz. Some lackluster blocking last year from offensive lineman during games... on the inside the Eagles locker room....  people are not happy with Wentz. Drafting a highly rated QB, instead of a late round project speaks volumes about Eagles true intentions. I watched the tape on Hurts and he is good. Very Accurate, competitive and athletic. 32TD to 8 intersections in 2019!!!  I love the pick as the successor to Wentz, and I will hate the pick if the goal was to turn Hurts into a gadget player, something that a lot of WRs still available on the board could have done a better job of than him.

 

On 4/25/2020 at 6:02 PM, matchew88 said:

Look at this:

 

And imagine a QB that can go either side, bomb it deep, and is an actual run threat. QB handoff run option in split formation, where he can run, pitch outside at the perimeter, or pass, all while getting it handed off...

And with the speed we now have, teams have to respect that. Very few double teams on Ertz to stop the entire offense anymore.

If this works---and it's a big IF---it could revolutionize the game a bit as well as mitigate a lot of the injury issues we've been having. 

On the one hand the innovative thinking is exciting. On the other hand, if plays like the one above always get stuffed...yikes...

On 4/25/2020 at 7:02 PM, matchew88 said:

Look at this:

 

And imagine a QB that can go either side, bomb it deep, and is an actual run threat. QB handoff run option in split formation, where he can run, pitch outside at the perimeter, or pass, all while getting it handed off...

Understood, but you don’t need that trickeration when you have one of the top QBs in the league....along with the best TE duo, Djax, all the new speed at WR, Sanders, etc. 

I’m done racking my brain thinking about this pick. I’ll let the season play out.  Best of luck to Wentz and to Hurts. 

4 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

love the pick as the successor to Wentz,

Wentz is 27 years old. He isn't going anywhere. They just paid him 100 million. Why are people so excited at the prospect of dumping a top ten QB? The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

4 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

watched the tape on Hurts and he is good. Very Accurate, competitive and athletic. 32TD to 8 intersections in 2019!!!

Did you watch the part where he played in the SEC and was benched at halftime in the National Championship? Tua had to come in and save the day. Never got his job back.

Someone really needs to explain why those who really like this pick are so convinced Hurts will be a good back up in 2020. He's a second round pick (third round grade according to most draft analysts). He's coming in to this season with very likely a shortened messed up TC. Most rookies need more time to settle and yet people seem to think he's going to be this good back up in year one. 

16 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I’ve been thinking a lot about the Jalen Hurts pick. We all know Carson is a simple dude...hunting, fishing, ministry, etc. He already has more money than he or his kids will ever need in his eyes, and most definitely will by the end of his current contract. I don’t see him being an Eli, Rivers, Ben, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc. playing into his late 30’s or to 40. Do you?  We may have 5ish more years out of him until he calls it quits (or less if he one day pulls an Andrew Luck over mounting injuries). Jalen will only be 25-26 at that time, with years of experience in this offense under his belt.  Sudfeld is also going to move on after this year, and do we really trust him to jump in if Carson goes down and take us through the playoffs?  Look I love Carson, and he is THE man here, but we all know Carson’s odds of finishing a full season aren’t the greatest. Jalen is your #2 and gadget player, and your potential future #1. I don’t love it at 53, but I’m beginning to understand it a bit more. I think there was 0 chance he was there at 103. 

 

7 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Wentz is damaged goods, only a matter of time in the next few years before he is out of the NFL, imo... FO knows this as well, confirmation with the Hurts pick.

To me the only way this makes sense is if you are at least considering moving on from Wentz in the next couple of years.

And to me that doesn’t make sense after giving him that contract. 
 

1) I appreciate that Wentz
may go earlier than Brady etc - but he does seem like a real competitor and using a second because you have doubts over your 27 year old QBs commitment is just wrong IMO. If you think he’s Danny Watkins then we shouldn’t have signed him long term in the first place.

2) I’m not buying the gadget point. It rarely works and breaks the rhythm of your starting QB.

3) There are plenty of other options who would be perfectly fine as back up QB. There were also plenty of developmental good QBs who went in the 4th round or later.

10 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

2) I’m not buying the gadget point. It rarely works and breaks the rhythm of your starting QB.

Not to mention you don't spend a second round pick on a gadget player... I mean the idea of a Taysom Hill sounds great but I'm not sure this offense will utilise Hurts correctly. It hasn't used Ward at all in that sense despite having had him around a few years now. 

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not to mention you don't spend a second round pick on a gadget player... I mean the idea of a Taysom Hill sounds great but I'm not sure this offense will utilise Hurts correctly. It hasn't used Ward at all in that sense despite having had him around a few years now. 

Yeah - it’s ludicrous to be honest. You don’t draft a guy in the second to be a gadget player. 

4 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Did you watch the part where he played in the SEC and was benched at halftime in the National Championship? Tua had to come in and save the day. Never got his job back.

I saw that. Stuff happens. He is not perfect. With the right coaching though..he can be a really good QB for the Eagles.

5 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Wentz is 27 years old. He isn't going anywhere. They just paid him 100 million. Why are people so excited at the prospect of dumping a top ten QB? The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Howie is an a** hol for giving out such a large contracts to players who can not stay healthy. We will never dump Wentz!!! If he slips we will trade him...Or Wentz will get the message and pick up his game. Either way Eagles win. 

11 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

I think that this is exactly the case. When you put all the pieces together....All the rumblings from Jeffrey about Wentz. Some lackluster blocking last year from offensive lineman during games... on the inside the Eagles locker room....  people are not happy with Wentz. Drafting a highly rated QB, instead of a late round project speaks volumes about Eagles true intentions. I watched the tape on Hurts and he is good. Very Accurate, competitive and athletic. 32TD to 8 intersections in 2019!!!  I love the pick as the successor to Wentz, and I will hate the pick if the goal was to turn Hurts into a gadget player, something that a lot of WRs still available on the board could have done a better job of than him.

 

Makes you wonder, right?  For me its more about the injuries, I just don't know if he can be a long term, franchise guy with this kind of injury history.  Not a bad idea to hedge our bet, but there were a lot of good players left on the board that could have been sure fire starters at that pick. 

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

Makes you wonder, right?  For me its more about the injuries, I just don't know if he can be a long term, franchise guy with this kind of injury history.  Not a bad idea to hedge our bet, but there were a lot of good players left on the board that could have been sure fire starters at that pick. 

And those concerns are absolutely valid based on the unfortunate series of events that Wentz has suffered. But then why give him that big contract?

46 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And those concerns are absolutely valid based on the unfortunate series of events that Wentz has suffered. But then why give him that big contract?

I'd need a phd in psychology to answer these types of questions.  I don't have one.