March 8, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said: Don't you think it would be easy to make a similar, antithetical list? The DEM platform, etc... It would look just as silly and emotional. You probably could for most, but you'd have a difficult time coming up with an equivalent to this one: "We support dictatorship and tyrants and want to ban democracy".
March 8, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You probably could for most, but you'd have a difficult time coming up with an equivalent to this one: "We support dictatorship and tyrants and want to ban democracy". But that's kind of my point... it's not hard at all. Just ask yourself how many Democrats you've known in your life with Che Guevara t-shirts, an affinity for Fidel Castro, nostalgic feelings toward Mao, or a tendency (even if a squeamish one) to offer apologetics for Stalin. I'm not even talking about straight-up commies or registered socialists... but US Democrats and UK labour party types. Your quoted sentence above can't be shoehorned in to accommodate these people? Just something to think about is all.
March 8, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: But that's kind of my point... it's not hard at all. Just ask yourself how many Democrats you've known in your life with Che Guevara t-shirts, an affinity for Fidel Castro, nostalgic feelings toward Mao, or a tendency (even if a squeamish one) to offer apologetics for Stalin. I'm not even talking about straight-up commies or registered socialists... but US Democrats and UK labour party types. Your quoted sentence above can't be shoehorned in to accommodate these people? Just something to think about is all. There's a massive chasm between whichever politicians you might be referring to, and literally voting against certification of a free and fair election. Half of GOP members of congress did the latter, and this was AFTER a radicalized contingent of their voters attacked the capitol and threatened the lives of their political opponents. Not seeing how you can even possibly compare the actions of the latter with wearing a stupid T-shirt or making some off-hand comment about Castro. Does not compute, sir.
March 8, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: There's a massive chasm between whichever politicians you might be referring to, and literally voting against certification of a free and fair election. Half of GOP members of congress did the latter, and this was AFTER a radicalized contingent of their voters attacked the capitol and threatened the lives of their political opponents. Not seeing how you can even possibly compare the actions of the latter with wearing a stupid T-shirt or making some off-hand comment about Castro. Does not compute, sir. I get it. I saw the same thing you saw. I hate it... but it wasn't "banning democracy". You also seem to be sweeping the sympathy for left-wing dictatorships under the rug a little too conveniently. There's a deep history there among progressives that still permeates the movement - and I suspect you know that. I probably shouldn't have started this... I'm much more in my comfort zone discussing the size of my testicles (abnormally large) and writing bad poetry.
March 8, 20232 yr Just now, Arthur Jackson said: I get it. I saw the same thing you saw. I hate it... but it wasn't "banning democracy". You also seem to be sweeping the sympathy for left-wing dictatorships under the rug a little too conveniently. There's a deep history there among progressives that still permeates the movement - and I suspect you know that. I probably shouldn't have started this... I'm much more in my comfort zone discussing the size of my testicles (abnormally large) and writing bad poetry. Uh, it was as clear of an attempt as you'll ever see from our government. Are you really going to dispute what their intentions were by voting against certification? Again, not sure if you're familiar with the timeline, but as a refresher, it goes a little something like this... Big Fat Orange Failure realizes he's in trouble on election night, goes on TV and prematurely declares himself the victor, then sets the table for false claims of election tampering. Proceeds to beat that drum for months, commences sham legal proceedings to lend credence to the claims, gathers support among the party and right-wing media outlets, advisors comes up with a proposal to delay and block certification. He meets with reps from state legislatures to coordinate a plan to submit false slates of electors, submits them, continues to challenge (and lose) battles in court, whips up a crowd of inbreds on the actual day of certification, runs away to hide while the crowd attacks the Capitol and threatens his own VP, and after the dust all settles, he ultimately succeeds in convincing a majority of the members of his party to vote against certification. So yes, Toty, it was very much a blatant and abhorrent attempt to undermine democracy itself. I know you really want to, but the fact remains that there is simply no way to spin this around with a "But what about the Democrats" rebuttal. There. Is. No. Equivalent. The Democrats suck so much, in so many ways, but as bad as they are, they've never stooped this low.
March 8, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I know you really want to No, you do not. (shortened your post) Besides, I thought we had already changed the subject to my balls.
March 8, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said: No, you do not. (shortened your post) Besides, I thought we had already changed the subject to my balls. "Sure the GOP tried to install Trump as an autocrat despite no evidence of election fraud whatsoever, but what about that time a Democrat made a stupid comment about Castro! I mean, it's basically the same thing when you think about."
March 8, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: "Sure the GOP tried to install Trump as an autocrat despite no evidence of election fraud whatsoever, but what about that time a Democrat made a stupid comment about Castro! I mean, it's basically the same thing when you think about." Look... I know when I'm outclassed - I was trying to wriggle out of this quagmire and save face but I guess I'll have to take a knee. If I said the above (I will take your word for it since you're using quotes) then I sincerely apologize to everyone on the thread. It was inartful, a clear non-sequitur, and a textbook case of misattribution. I can... and will... do better in the future. I also want to apologize for implying that anyone left of center in a western democracy, be they an elected official, an academic, a labour union leader, or just a voter, has ever gone beyond hypothetical, off-hand "cocktail party" comments in supporting either the end-goals or methods of left-wing dictators or lamented that they didn't have the ability to implement social policy without the confines of the balance of power. What you need to understand is that my far right ideology is so strongly ingrained (it looks you already figured this out, to your credit) that it's difficult for me at this point in my life to keep it from clouding my view of history and current events. Thanks for calling me out.
March 8, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said: Look... I know when I'm outclassed - I was trying to wriggle out of this quagmire and save face but I guess I'll have to take a knee. If I said the above (I will take your word for it since you're using quotes) then I sincerely apologize to everyone on the thread. It was inartful, a clear non-sequitur, and a textbook case of misattribution. I can... and will... do better in the future. I also want to apologize for implying that anyone left of center in a western democracy, be they an elected official, an academic, a labour union leader, or just a voter, has ever gone beyond hypothetical, off-hand "cocktail party" comments in supporting either the end-goals or methods of left-wing dictators or lamented that they didn't have the ability to implement social policy without the confines of the balance of power. What you need to understand is that my far right ideology is so strongly ingrained (it looks you already figured this out, to your credit) that it's difficult for me at this point in my life to keep it from clouding my view of history and current events. Thanks for calling me out. Was that so hard?
March 8, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Was that so hard? I'm not putting you in the probably's mom thread so stop it
March 8, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Look... I know when I'm outclassed - I was trying to wriggle out of this quagmire and save face but I guess I'll have to take a knee. If I said the above (I will take your word for it since you're using quotes) then I sincerely apologize to everyone on the thread. It was inartful, a clear non-sequitur, and a textbook case of misattribution. I can... and will... do better in the future. You said it wasn't "hard at all" to find a way to come up with an equivalent for the Democratic platform. To prove your point, you then brought up some vague references to Che Guevara T-shirts and something about Castro. Then you followed it up by saying "the GOP didn't actually ban democracy", as if their attempt and intentions don't matter solely because they were unsuccessful. Which is somehow even more ridiculous. Quote I also want to apologize for implying that anyone left of center in a western democracy, be they an elected official, an academic, a labour union leader, or just a voter, has ever gone beyond hypothetical, off-hand "cocktail party" comments in supporting either the end-goals or methods of left-wing dictators or lamented that they didn't have the ability to implement social policy without the confines of the balance of power. The context was the GOP platform, meaning the behavior and stated intentions by a party's politicians themselves. Goal posts stay where they are. Quote What you need to understand is that my far right ideology is so strongly ingrained (it looks you already figured this out, to your credit) that it's difficult for me at this point in my life to keep it from clouding my view of history and current events. Thanks for calling me out. You're welcome.
March 8, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: You said it wasn't "hard at all" to find a way to come up with an equivalent for the Democratic platform. To prove your point, you then brought up some vague references to Che Guevara T-shirts and something about Castro. Then you followed it up by saying "the GOP didn't actually ban democracy", as if their attempt and intentions don't matter solely because they were unsuccessful. Which is somehow even more ridiculous. The context was the GOP platform, meaning the behavior and stated intentions by a party's politicians themselves. Goal posts stay where they are. You're welcome. Jesus! Spike the football much? You'd get a 15 yarder for standing over me and pointing while I was on the ground! Isn't it enough that you hurdled me for the TD?
March 8, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said: Jesus! Spike the football much? You'd get a 15 yarder for standing over me and pointing while I was on the ground! Isn't it enough that you hurdled me for the TD? My bad then, I may have misinterpreted the sarcastic tone of your previous post.
March 8, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Jesus! Spike the football much? You'd get a 15 yarder for standing over me and pointing while I was on the ground! Isn't it enough that you hurdled me for the TD? 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: My bad then, I may have misinterpreted the sarcastic tone of your previous post. You two gonna meet up and touch tips?
March 8, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: You two gonna meet up and touch tips? Whoa whoa whoa. Not so fast. We're gonna start with a handshake first and eventually work up to that
March 8, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: You two gonna meet up and touch tips? calm down there, senator cawthorn. you're not missing out.
March 8, 20232 yr Note to self: Stop watching/reading/following/subscribing/using Fox News, Newsmax, Alex Jones, 4chan, parler (archives), Answers in Genesis, Yellowstone, kz's feed, and Jugs. It has turned you into a biased, agenda-driven, Putin-loving, right wing MAGA Trumper and destroyed your previously celebrated rhetorical acumen, leaving it in tatters. You can... and will... do better.
March 8, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Uh, it was as clear of an attempt as you'll ever see from our government. Are you really going to dispute what their intentions were by voting against certification? Again, not sure if you're familiar with the timeline, but as a refresher, it goes a little something like this... Big Fat Orange Failure realizes he's in trouble on election night, goes on TV and prematurely declares himself the victor, then sets the table for false claims of election tampering. Proceeds to beat that drum for months, commences sham legal proceedings to lend credence to the claims, gathers support among the party and right-wing media outlets, advisors comes up with a proposal to delay and block certification. He meets with reps from state legislatures to coordinate a plan to submit false slates of electors, submits them, continues to challenge (and lose) battles in court, whips up a crowd of inbreds on the actual day of certification, runs away to hide while the crowd attacks the Capitol and threatens his own VP, and after the dust all settles, he ultimately succeeds in convincing a majority of the members of his party to vote against certification. So yes, Toty, it was very much a blatant and abhorrent attempt to undermine democracy itself. I know you really want to, but the fact remains that there is simply no way to spin this around with a "But what about the Democrats" rebuttal. There. Is. No. Equivalent. The Democrats suck so much, in so many ways, but as bad as they are, they've never stooped this low. Oh yeah?! Well, what about all the Democrats who drive over the speed limit?? Huh??
March 8, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said: Oh yeah?! Well, what about all the Democrats who drive over the speed limit?? Huh?? Plus all the Democrats using some neighbor's wifi? When are we going to have a realistic conversation about that?
March 8, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said: Oh yeah?! Well, what about all the Democrats who drive over the speed limit?? Huh?? 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Plus all the Democrats using some neighbor's wifi? When are we going to have a realistic conversation about that? stop shaming !!
March 8, 20232 yr 53 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Plus all the Democrats using some neighbor's wifi? When are we going to have a realistic conversation about that? @EagleJoe8's WiFi password is B00B!3S, FYI - if people would stop using WEP encryption the rest of us wouldn't be able to take advantage
March 9, 20232 yr On 3/8/2023 at 9:16 AM, Arthur Jackson said: But that's kind of my point... it's not hard at all. Just ask yourself how many Democrats you've known in your life with Che Guevara t-shirts, an affinity for Fidel Castro, nostalgic feelings toward Mao, or a tendency (even if a squeamish one) to offer apologetics for Stalin. I'm not even talking about straight-up commies or registered socialists... but US Democrats and UK labour party types. Your quoted sentence above can't be shoehorned in to accommodate these people? Just something to think about is all. Outside of edgy kids from college and high school, none. Those stereotypes don't hold up to my experience at least. I'm sure they're out there in numbers, but when you look at the lack of actual political power even Dem-Soc types have in Congress it's pretty apparent that it's mainly useful as a strawman for the right.
March 9, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Outside of edgy kids from college and high school, none. Those stereotypes don't hold up to my experience at least. I'm sure they're out there in numbers, but when you look at the lack of actual political power even Dem-Soc types have in Congress it's pretty apparent that it's mainly useful as a strawman for the right. I've already been put in my place. Wegotta pancaked me like Jason Kelce pulling on a wing sweep. I'll leave my anecdotal experiences out of this because they clearly differ from the group, apparently don't mesh with reality, and mostly involve taxi dancers. Thanks for piling on.
March 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said: I've already been put in my place. Wegotta pancaked me like Jason Kelce pulling on a wing sweep. I'll leave my anecdotal experiences out of this because they clearly differ from the group, apparently don't mesh with reality, and mostly involve taxi dancers. Thanks for piling on. I'm here for you.
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