5 hours ago, caesar said:

If it is life -- so what, irrelevant.   Convicted criminals are life -- we kill them (as we make it legal to do so sometimes).  We have and can do the same thing here with fetuses/embryos.   Laws are a construct - made up by man.  We can make it legal regardless of when "life" starts.   Abortions don't happen because life does or does not start -- they happen because being pregnant is not always what the mother intended, wants or can handle.   Life is not the issue.  I'll grant you, for sake of argument, that life starts at conception.  Big deal.  Still think abortion will happen and should happen in many circumstances.    Shrug.    Life is not the sacred point you make it out to be (religious or otherwise).  If so, cars would be banned.

Psychotic take 

2 hours ago, Procus said:

 

Of course it's a parody.  A parody, yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

Besides being trumpbots, being immensely stupid is the other thing you, Norse, Kz, wv Mike, and lynched all have in common.

6 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

You need to change your avatar.  It's F'ing nasty dude.

Apparently you don't understand it.

 

8 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Effing psychopaths.

That's rich, the Satanist calling the wheelchair bound governor a psychopath

 

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Not that it makes a bit of difference, but this is highly anthropomorphized, especially the skin.  The texture is much more...almost gelatinous. Here's an example (micropreemie, not an abortion but still hard to see):

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And your point is?

4 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

I'm trying to think of all the times that I came out on the wrong end of a debate in CVON and I can't actually remember one where it was so bad that I felt like I'd have to intentionally take the literal meaning of a sarcastic statement in order to avoid admitting defeat.

This is absolutely fascinating to watch unfold. 

Ah, a fascinated Satanist I see.  The CVON Satanic cult lives on.

4 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Psychotic take 

He's a 16 year old kid.  Why are you wasting cyberspace debating with him?

34 minutes ago, Procus said:

And your point is?

You're trying to make an emotional ploy about how human a 20 week old fetus looks by lying about it. That doesn't sit right with me. 

I fully accept there is a moral aspect of this debate that cannot be bridged. But don't make crap up. 

5 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Easy with the pics or I’m going to post pictures of my wife’s placenta

Only if you share the recipes...

 

 

9 hours ago, Procus said:

Ah, a fascinated Satanist I see.  The CVON Satanic cult lives on.

I know you're trying really hard to be a better version of @Kz! but I have some sad news for you... there is not a better version of @Kz! because there's not a better version of stupid. So that just makes you unoriginal.

20 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I know you're trying really hard to be a better version of @Kz! but I have some sad news for you... there is not a better version of @Kz! 

Oh my God, thank you.

14 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Psychotic take 

How so?  Don't we kill innocents in other situations, but call it legal?  War; anti-terrorism (drones, etc); policing; euthanasia (pulling life support), etc.    "Life" itself is not the be all end all as to whether or not abortion or killing is or should be legal.   That's a fake way to say -- I really don't think there should ever be abortion -- so let's argue about when life begins.  That's a fools game, - losing argument (and done like that on purpose by those who bring it up).   

Abortion is not performed based on "life" or not.   

 

10 hours ago, Procus said:

Ah, a fascinated Satanist I see.  The CVON Satanic cult lives on.

He's a 16 year old kid.  Why are you wasting cyberspace debating with him?

Wrong.   By several decades.

18 hours ago, Procus said:

 

This is a baby at 20 weeks after conception.

 

Would make a fine candidate for abortion if the mother so chose.   What's your point?    Have you seen what born babies and mothers look like who are killed in "legal" wars or collateral damage to drone strikes and the like?     

16 hours ago, Procus said:

Yes, because followers of Satan would never lie.  They just called their church the "Satanic Temple" because it sounds cool.

Yes, the Satanic Temple has embraced a righteous cause.  Mighty fine company you're keeping there . .  .

Why is "satanic" religion any more absurd or stupid than any other superstition or cult, like Christianity?  They are all ridiculous.   Yeah, virgin birth.  LOL  Zombies (wake from the dead).  LOL.  You may laugh at Satanic Temple, but many of us laugh at Christianity and any other such superstitions in the modern era.  Call it whatever you want, Judaism, Islam, Satanic Temple, Mormon -- It is all the same nonsense that belongs in the trash heap of history.

15 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Wait wait wait... so you think they're an actual Satanic temple? 

I mean... I smelled the sarcasm and irony dripping from their name from a mile away so I didn't even need to see it. But it was actually in the text of the article you posted. 

 

Oh F I can't stop laughing. 

Guy, their existence is a parody of actual churches who, they hate, in order to get the same religious protections they do. 

LOL  -- all religions are stupid and have absurd beliefs.  Virgin births -- LOL.    Zombies -- LOL.  Magical sky daddies you pray to.  LOL.

18 hours ago, Procus said:

 

This is a baby at 20 weeks after conception.

 

BTW , this is a misleading as to size.   It is roughly the size of a banana at this stage.  Not that it matters, I would abort a banana. 

17 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Easy with the pics or I’m going to post pictures of my wife’s placenta

Yes to the wife pics.  No to the placenta.

On 9/7/2021 at 1:02 PM, caesar said:

Straw man argument.  We are talking about aborting fetuses/embryos growing in someone's womb -- and not yet born.  Not killing those already born.  We do make that distinction, whether you like it or not.

It's not a strawman argument at all. Do you even know what a strawman argument is?

I'm saying that the logic of your argument would allow for this. You're the one saying laws are just constructs of man. You're the one saying we kill people all the time within the confines of the law. You're the one saying that the point of life is irrelevant to if we can extinguish a life. All this being the case, as you argue, leaves us in a position where nearly any killing can be justified legally, It's just a matter of your own arbitrary whims of what is and is not acceptable.

This, of course, is insane in any world with a semblance of morality. Innocent people are protected by the state in a sane world. That's the entire purpose of having a state and laws.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes to the wife pics.  No to the placenta.

Is there a reason you are so thirsty to see other peoples wives all the time lately? Just go get laid already, it's not that hard.

Can Brett come out and play ?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/protesters-target-kavanaugh-house-abortion

1 hour ago, TEW said:

It's not a strawman argument at all. Do you even know what a strawman argument is?

I'm saying that the logic of your argument would allow for this. You're the one saying laws are just constructs of man. You're the one saying we kill people all the time within the confines of the law. You're the one saying that the point of life is irrelevant to if we can extinguish a life. All this being the case, as you argue, leaves us in a position where nearly any killing can be justified legally, It's just a matter of your own arbitrary whims of what is and is not acceptable.

This, of course, is insane in any world with a semblance of morality. Innocent people are protected by the state in a sane world. That's the entire purpose of having a state and laws.

No, your slippery slope is insane.   No one is trying to justify "any killing" of just average others.  We are talking about things physically connected to a woman and inside her - who requires that women to grow and be eventually (maybe) be born (almost parasitic like).  The normal rules don't apply and never have in that situation.  

You can say its life -- you can say its immoral.  I say, it makes logical sense in many situations.  1. rape  2. incest  3.  poverty  4.  incompetence  5.  too young  6. not fit to be a parent   7.  hopelessly diseased and/or deformed   8. not right for the mother's situation for whatever reason   9. etc. etc.

You don't like it.  It makes you feel bad.  It goes against your religion (superstition) - so you think.     Who cares.  Not your business.   Don't have your own abortion then -- don't worry so much about others.  We fetuses don't need your help.  Thanks anyway.    You are such a good person though -- here's a pat on your back.  You are very special.

The entire purpose of a state is definitely NOT ensuring every pregnant woman is forced to carry to term. That's insane.   And we do have laws about abortion (to regulate it - not ban it, like TX does).       But good luck in your candy cane and butterfly dream world of the state protecting every innocent person.  Nice fairy tale though.  Those of us who  live in the real world realize abortion is an unfortunate fact of life/necessity even some times.   

 

9 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes to the wife pics.  No to the placenta.

Obviously you're not a bloodhound gang fan

On 9/7/2021 at 8:41 PM, we_gotta_believe said:

Besides being trumpbots, being immensely stupid is the other thing you, Norse, Kz, wv Mike, and lynched all have in common.

Sit down fatboy before you stroke out.

22 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

You're trying to make an emotional ploy about how human a 20 week old fetus looks by lying about it. That doesn't sit right with me. 

I fully accept there is a moral aspect of this debate that cannot be bridged. But don't make crap up.