7 hours ago, Infam said:

Look, I am too lazy to repeat that argument for him, but you read it and even you agreed that we are not that badly set up... 

Did I? If I did then I must have been drunk. We are in a terrible position right now. Cap constrained with a bottom 5 roster and not a lot of young talent on this roster. The only positive is that we have a lot of draft picks this year and potentially 3 first round picks next year. But then Howie is GM so that cancels that out.

On 3/26/2021 at 9:25 PM, bigdog54 said:

Everyone is to negative saying we are going to suck. First the line is going to be better. You possibly have 3 starters coming back 2 of them pro bowlers. I also personally think that Dillard makes a better guard and would be a great 6 swing man on the line that can come in and play either position. With the line better and a coach that gets the run game going, uses play action and the screen game (all what the colts are known for) and if we can add pieces to the defense and actually have an aggressive DC instead of a pu$$y calling the plays, you might be surprised how the team balls out. 
 

You never know how things will come together we have way to many unknowns that could go either way but it’s much better to be positive than negative! Your life will be so much better if you look positive on things. 

To, too, two... Grade school is your friend.

On 3/30/2021 at 1:30 AM, ilikepargo said:

Because he makes lots of quick reads and accurate throws?

My fear is that he'll be just good enough to get us to a mid-round draft position.  Hot would be good.  Cold would at least set us up with the draft position to maybe be hot in the future.  Lukewarm gets us nowhere good.

Hurts has Lukewarm written all over him.

Yeah I’m not sure how you can come to this conclusion. First off Hurts isn’t just a guy who dinks and dunks. Heck in the Saints game he threw more deep connections than any quarterback on the team had in like two years. Secondly his running gives him a dynamic option and unlike the previous guy he’s not dumb enough to think he can run over linebackers and safeties. He’s shown even with a bad roster he can move the football. The bigger issue here is getting better talent around him. Now that’s unfortunately on Howie and I don’t have a lot of confidence for that guy right now. 

I think it's exciting to some extent that we get to see Hurts start this year. I think there's hope there that he can be a good NFL QB. I think he has a reasonable floor but it's his ceiling that may be the issue. 

I'll wait until after the draft for my prediction but as of now, winning 7-9 games next season isn't beyond the realm of possibilities, imo. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

I'll wait until after the draft for my prediction but as of now, winning 7-9 games next season isn't beyond the realm of possibilities, imo. 

I mean yeah they could win 7-9 games but a lot will have to go their way to do so. 

They are going to suck. This year, anyway. All these new coaches and players, all in one off-season. They are going to struggle the 1st year, maybe longer. That's not being negative, it's being honest and not giving oneself false hope.

On 4/5/2021 at 6:05 AM, Talonblood said:

They are going to suck. This year, anyway. All these new coaches and players, all in one off-season. They are going to struggle the 1st year, maybe longer. That's not being negative, it's being honest and not giving oneself false hope.

I don't think this team is going to suck anymore than they did last year...probably looking at 7-10 or 9-8 

I honestly think we're going to overachieve, Hurts is going to ball out and the rest of the team is going to rally around him. 

Yes, there are a lot of question marks around the coaching staff and we have to get a player in the 1st who can IMMEDIATELY contribute 

13 hours ago, Birdman said:

I don't think this team is going to suck anymore than they did last year...probably looking at 7-10 or 9-8 

I think a winning record is a stretch. I think they win 6 to 7 games this year. I can see 2 or 3 division wins (could be more), we should beat the Jets, we can beat Detroit and Denver. We can beat Atlanta. So yeah I think 6 to 7 wins. 

On 4/5/2021 at 6:02 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean yeah they could win 7-9 games but a lot will have to go their way to do so. 

Nothing went their way last year and they won 4 games. If they get at least average quarterback play, not as many injuries, some of these young guys actually step up, not nearly as many injuries, and actually hit on the draft things could drastically improve. Heck if they got just two of those things to happen this team would probably double their win total. 

On 4/4/2021 at 4:02 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it's exciting to some extent that we get to see Hurts start this year. I think there's hope there that he can be a good NFL QB. I think he has a reasonable floor but it's his ceiling that may be the issue. 

That nails it.        Hurts is a hard worker, a smart kid, a winner, and a leader.       But from watching a ton of his games in college, I just never had a feeling that this was a guy who could be an upper echelon NFL QB.            I believe he can be a starter in the league, good enough to have a long career but not a guy who you are going to build a championship team around.         Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.

6 hours ago, mjkvol said:

That nails it.        Hurts is a hard worker, a smart kid, a winner, and a leader.       But from watching a ton of his games in college, I just never had a feeling that this was a guy who could be an upper echelon NFL QB.            I believe he can be a starter in the league, good enough to have a long career but not a guy who you are going to build a championship team around.         Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I think you can win a championship with him but not because of him if that makes sense? If they draft well (with Howie as GM that's not going to happen I know), they build a really good young roster then I think they can win with Hurts. Just my opinion and early days of course.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think you can win a championship with him but not because of him if that makes sense? If they draft well (with Howie as GM that's not going to happen I know), they build a really good young roster then I think they can win with Hurts. Just my opinion and early days of course.

A hot quarterback at the right time to go with a solid defense can win a Super Bowl. Flacco and Foles showed us that. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

A hot quarterback at the right time to go with a solid defense can win a Super Bowl. Flacco and Foles showed us that. 

Oh I agree. I think a good QB can help a team win the SB or certainly be contenders. Look at Garrappolo a couple of years ago. 

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh I agree. I think a good QB can help a team win the SB or certainly be contenders. Look at Garrappolo a couple of years ago. 

I don’t think Hurts has to be an "elite quarterback” to win a Super Bowl for the Eagles. He needs to be above average as a quarterback an elite as a runner. He also has to minimize the turnovers to go with the improvement of talent on the roster. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think you can win a championship with him but not because of him if that makes sense? If they draft well (with Howie as GM that's not going to happen I know), they build a really good young roster then I think they can win with Hurts. Just my opinion and early days of course.

Sure, you can win despite an average QB (Dilfer, etc.) or if an average QB gets hot (Flacco, Manning), but I'm talking about building a team for sustained success, like the Patriots with Brady, the Packers with Rodgers, the Saints with Brees, the Seahawks with Wilson, etc.        They might not win the SB every year (the Pats excepted), but they always enter a season with a shot and they are generally always playoff teams.

You just essentially said it in your post - "If they draft well, they build a really good young roster" - and you also added the elephant in the room that a lot of people want to pretend isn't there - Roseman.              I can't play the make believe "if "Howie" drafts well" game any more, because it's a fairy tale at this point.            2017 is looking more and more like an anomaly with every passing year, and unless Lurie has an awakening the Eagles are not only going to waste the potential of Wentz and Hurts, but throw away a treasure trove of draft capital next year. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

A hot quarterback at the right time to go with a solid defense can win a Super Bowl. Flacco and Foles showed us that. 

Foles is a bad example.       He lit it up in both the NFCCG and SB, and actually beat the Pats despite the hideous defense allowing Brady to throw for 500 (!) yards.         And while the Ravens had a good defense that year, it was Flacco's play that won in those playoffs, check his numbers.

The best example is Manning, and the fact that it happened twice is almost impossible to believe.       They had a perfect storm twice, and both times it was the defense beating up on Brady that won those games, but Manning got the prize because there were no other choices.

In general I can understand the overwhelming majority of fans being pessimistic about this upcoming season. I’m personally expecting a 7-9 type season which will probably keep us in contention for a playoff spot in our horrific division!

The above being said, we don’t know just how good hurts is, we have no idea how sirianni will perform as a head coach or the new coaching staff in general, nor do we know what the final roster will look like at this point. If it occurs that either hurts is a legit baller or sirianni is a top notch head coach, then either of those outcomes could flip how the season will play out dramatically so there is still reason for hope.

On 4/11/2021 at 2:16 PM, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think Hurts has to be an "elite quarterback” to win a Super Bowl for the Eagles. He needs to be above average as a quarterback an elite as a runner. He also has to minimize the turnovers to go with the improvement of talent on the roster. 

That's what I'm saying... you can win and be a contender without Hurts being elite. 

On 4/11/2021 at 10:26 AM, mjkvol said:

Sure, you can win despite an average QB (Dilfer, etc.) or if an average QB gets hot (Flacco, Manning), but I'm talking about building a team for sustained success, like the Patriots with Brady, the Packers with Rodgers, the Saints with Brees, the Seahawks with Wilson, etc.        They might not win the SB every year (the Pats excepted), but they always enter a season with a shot and they are generally always playoff teams.

You just essentially said it in your post - "If they draft well, they build a really good young roster" - and you also added the elephant in the room that a lot of people want to pretend isn't there - Roseman.              I can't play the make believe "if "Howie" drafts well" game any more, because it's a fairy tale at this point.            2017 is looking more and more like an anomaly with every passing year, and unless Lurie has an awakening the Eagles are not only going to waste the potential of Wentz and Hurts, but throw away a treasure trove of draft capital next year. 

Foles is a bad example.       He lit it up in both the NFCCG and SB, and actually beat the Pats despite the hideous defense allowing Brady to throw for 500 (!) yards.         And while the Ravens had a good defense that year, it was Flacco's play that won in those playoffs, check his numbers.

The best example is Manning, and the fact that it happened twice is almost impossible to believe.       They had a perfect storm twice, and both times it was the defense beating up on Brady that won those games, but Manning got the prize because there were no other choices.

Foles was also pretty bad especially in the first half against Atlanta and he wasn’t that good in Chicago either and the defense kept them in both of those games. 

4 hours ago, Muz86 said:

In general I can understand the overwhelming majority of fans being pessimistic about this upcoming season. I’m personally expecting a 7-9 type season which will probably keep us in contention for a playoff spot in our horrific division!

The above being said, we don’t know just how good hurts is, we have no idea how sirianni will perform as a head coach or the new coaching staff in general, nor do we know what the final roster will look like at this point. If it occurs that either hurts is a legit baller or sirianni is a top notch head coach, then either of those outcomes could flip how the season will play out dramatically so there is still reason for hope.

Agreed there are a lot of variables here from players returning from injuries to the coach, 2nd year players development, and the rookies of this draft. How will it all mesh? I don’t think any of the teams in the NFC East will outdistance themselves from one another so the Eagles will likely still be in the playoff picture still in December. 

Everyone is so invested in the Howie and now Lurie hate. For them to be right, the Eagles must lose now. If the Eagles start winning next season I'm curious. Will they finally give real fans a break and become cowboy fans? Or will their heads explode as if Clayton Bigsby removed his hood? They could apologies profusely explaining how their racist tendencies were inspired by the media and say ad nauseum what idiots they were, but honestly i'd rather see them jump ship and become, if not Cowboy, Colt fans.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Foles was also pretty bad especially in the first half against Atlanta and he wasn’t that good in Chicago either and the defense kept them in both of those games. 

I was referring to the two biggest games, which is what anyone who thinks about that season is mainly going to remember.           Foles made the defense irrelevant in the NFCCG, and his play overcame the awful defense in the SB.

1 hour ago, mjkvol said:

I was referring to the two biggest games, which is what anyone who thinks about that season is mainly going to remember.           Foles made the defense irrelevant in the NFCCG, and his play overcame the awful defense in the SB.

Arguably the biggest play in the Super Bowl was made by the defense with that strip sack. Also the defense was completely dominating in the NFC Championship game except for the very first drive. Really the defense gets trashed all the time, but really they played one bad playoff game and it was against the best quarterback in football all time and still won.