7 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

With all the QBs taken..he probably , and some other surprising names..will be there. Lots of talent.

Well if he's there and they don't take him they're going to regret it, this 20 y/o  is all of what Eagles fans thought Cox was and then some.......frankly, he's the most valuable player in the draft for the Eagles.

20 hours ago, Bamabird said:

He ran a 4.46 at pro day with a stop watch which can add .25-1.0 to a run at the combine with laser recording.

you are way wrong with your numbers.

pro day numbers are said to be 0.07 faster than combine numbers.

a 4.46 is said to = 4.53.  But it's not the same every time.

You can look at draftscout.com  and compare the electronic time with the handheld times - same run - at the combine.  gives you an idea how much the numbers vary.

You don't know, either if pro days are using the laser thing.

 

On 3/31/2021 at 5:06 PM, nicks said:

I see Chase and Pitts crushed their workouts. I know others have also and went on to flop. But these two seem genuine....and the Eagles have no chance right now to get either one.  Again we will have a boatload of #2 receivers, and no game changers. And the premise was to give Hurts weapons........

The one pure WEAPON that I would want for Hurts would be Penn State Defensive End Jayson Oweh.

He wouldn't be the most polished receiver,  but if you're talking Pure WEAPON,  Jayson Oweh wins over Pitts and Chase. 

He needs more training on offense than Pitts and Chase do,  but he's got better pro day numbers than either Pitts or Chase.   It means his ceiling is higher.

If you look at RAS,  Oweh is a perfect 10 at a number of positions, including Tight End.

He's 12 pounds heavier than Pitts and 0.07 faster than Pitts.  6 inches better on the vert.  Better 3 cone better 20 shuttle.

Oweh is faster than Chase and over 50 pounds heavier.

He's not a polished receiver,  he can't do all the things.  The Eagles might have to teach him a thing to do and then have him go out and do it.

But the WEAPON aspect,  throw the same simple, easy to learn pass to all 3, and you get the most potency out of Oweh.  He's faster.  Runs more yards in the same time than the other 2.  Is heavier with stronger legs than the other 2 - making him more difficult to tackle.  He's slightly shorter than Pitts,  3/4s of an inch, but has a 6 inch better vert, which tells me he can get up there a little higher.  

Pitts and Chase are more trained.  They know all the routes and perhaps things like tricks to get open, and would be capable of playing half the game or more week 1 at WR or TE (Pitts). 

But you're not asking for trained.  you're asking for WEAPON.   And Oweh is the most potent weapon.  A potent weapon that is more limited at this time at the WR/TE spot than the other 2.   But still More Potent WEAPON.

If they wanted to, they could have Jayson Oweh run the same play.  Oweh in the slot, goes in motion before the snap,  orbit or jet motion,  either takes a handoff or pitch and runs outside, all 4.37 and 257 pounds,  or he lead blocks for Jalen Hurts running outside,  or he runs the same route every time.    If Pitts or Chase did the same thing the results on the pitch or handoff wouldn't be as good.  Oweh would be best.  faster and bigger, breaking more tackles farther downfield. 

The Eagles actually don't need another TE or WR at this point.      I like who the Eagles brought in in January.  Tyree Jackson and Khalil Tate.  They're both weapons.  Tyree is like a bigger Kyle Pitts.  Jackson is slower, yes,  but taller and heavier than Pitts.

Tyree Jackson has a 9.95 RAS as a QB.  (he was a college QB, learning TE right now)  Tyree Jackson has a 9.8 RAS as a TE
Jayson Oweh has a 10 RAS as a QB. Jayson Oweh has a 10 RAS as a TE.

In 2019,  Tyree Jackson was the 2nd highest RAS, with that 9.95 = overall. 

A 9.87 RAS as a Defensive End.
A 9.8 RAS as a Linebacker.

So,   Howie got a weapon, a QB who is learning to be a TE, with top numbers, and these are combine numbers, at a number of positions.   You could use him as a weapon on defense,  rush the passer.  He's 6'7 with a 34.5 vert, so he should be able to block some passes.  As a DE,  his worst attribute is his weight, he's too light at 249 pounds.  Everything else,  he was either great or elite.  Elite speed,  9.64 to 9.77.  agility and explosive is both great, in the 8s.  So, if they wanted to,  Tyree Jackson could be a situational pass rusher.  9.87 RAS is plenty fine.  A situational edge rusher can be 249 pounds.  

So, there's a WEAPON,  he's on the roster, added in January.

Former Arizona QB Khalil Tate, who ran for 327 yards in a single game is trying to make the team as a WR.  he's proven at passing, proven at running, is built like a running back, 6'0 and 217.    He didn't have a pro day last year so his numbers are ?,  but 327 rushing yards in a game as a QB,  that WEAPON.

They added 2 QB / Weapons,  Jackson and Tate.    I think that they should add the exceptionally potent weapon, but raw and unpolished weapon,  Jayson Oweh. 

They have 7 WRs.  The have Greg Ward Jr, who is a polished runner at the QB position, and a steady and reliable slot receiver.   They also have 2 WRs drafted in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years.  And they have 3 other young receivers with varying degrees of good.   I don't really think the Eagles NEED another receiver.  I don't think the WRs are bad. 

Also, with Jalen Hurts being a very good runner,  running for over 100 yards in his first start, a win,  one would think that they would be building an offense similar to that of the Ravens.  Presumably that the Ravens with excellent runner Lamar have lost very few games in the regular season, and if the Eagles were to copy them, they would get similar results.    And that's pretty much true.  Hurts will throw the ball to one of the WRs or, if he doesn't like that, run for yards and first downs and touchdowns.  Also he should handoff a lot to the 230 pound back.  Not sure the Eagles have one of those.  They could use Oweh or Tyree Jackson for power running.  Hurts has good running back size. 

Watching the Ravens they had the largest margin of victory last year,  won a playoff and then losing a playoff.  Maybe the Eagles looked at how the Ravens lost and seek to avoid the same pitfalls.  It gets difficult to complete passes close to the end zone.  There is more room to get open farther away from the end zone.    What comes in very helpful in the end zone are TALL WEAPONS.   Tyree Jackson at 6'7 249 34.5 should be able to catch a high pass in the end zone.   Jayson Oweh 6'5 257 39.5 should be able to catch that same high pass.  You can put a number of TALL WEAPONS to make it easy for Hurts to have someone to throw, a Big Red Zone Threat, or another way to say TALL WEAPON.

The Ravens failed in the playoffs,  besides inadequate oline,  because of that one play, the pick 6, when Lamar threw to Mark Andrews when he had 3-4 guys covering him.    If the Eagles were not reliant on 1 single red zone threat,  if there were multiple good options,  the one issue that the Ravens had wouldn't apply.

When the QB isn't a weapon himself, it's important to have more smaller wrs to make big gains.  But Hurts is a weapon himself, can get first downs by running regularly.  So  the Eagles need 1 less smaller weapon, 1 bigger, red zone, blocking  weapon, on balance.

Mailata could be used as a blocking weapon on offense, with offensive capabilities shown on rugby youtubes.

Hurts has enough to run the ball down the field,  Lamar certainly does.   But Lamar really only had Mark Andrews to throw to in the red zone, but he does have Boyle and Ricard, both very good blockers. 






But when you say they could use a WEAPON, well, Oweh is that WEAPON.



 

That is one really detailed and elaborate troll post. Kudos!

They made someone's list! Not necessarily a positive thing, but always interesting to read about the team. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-teams-that-must-do-well-in-the-2021-nfl-draft

On 4/2/2021 at 9:16 AM, Random Reglar said:

The one pure WEAPON that I would want for Hurts would be Penn State Defensive End Jayson Oweh.

He wouldn't be the most polished receiver,  but if you're talking Pure WEAPON,  Jayson Oweh wins over Pitts and Chase. 

He needs more training on offense than Pitts and Chase do,  but he's got better pro day numbers than either Pitts or Chase.   It means his ceiling is higher.

If you look at RAS,  Oweh is a perfect 10 at a number of positions, including Tight End.

He's 12 pounds heavier than Pitts and 0.07 faster than Pitts.  6 inches better on the vert.  Better 3 cone better 20 shuttle.

Oweh is faster than Chase and over 50 pounds heavier.

He's not a polished receiver,  he can't do all the things.  The Eagles might have to teach him a thing to do and then have him go out and do it.

But the WEAPON aspect,  throw the same simple, easy to learn pass to all 3, and you get the most potency out of Oweh.  He's faster.  Runs more yards in the same time than the other 2.  Is heavier with stronger legs than the other 2 - making him more difficult to tackle.  He's slightly shorter than Pitts,  3/4s of an inch, but has a 6 inch better vert, which tells me he can get up there a little higher.  

Pitts and Chase are more trained.  They know all the routes and perhaps things like tricks to get open, and would be capable of playing half the game or more week 1 at WR or TE (Pitts). 

But you're not asking for trained.  you're asking for WEAPON.   And Oweh is the most potent weapon.  A potent weapon that is more limited at this time at the WR/TE spot than the other 2.   But still More Potent WEAPON.

If they wanted to, they could have Jayson Oweh run the same play.  Oweh in the slot, goes in motion before the snap,  orbit or jet motion,  either takes a handoff or pitch and runs outside, all 4.37 and 257 pounds,  or he lead blocks for Jalen Hurts running outside,  or he runs the same route every time.    If Pitts or Chase did the same thing the results on the pitch or handoff wouldn't be as good.  Oweh would be best.  faster and bigger, breaking more tackles farther downfield. 

The Eagles actually don't need another TE or WR at this point.      I like who the Eagles brought in in January.  Tyree Jackson and Khalil Tate.  They're both weapons.  Tyree is like a bigger Kyle Pitts.  Jackson is slower, yes,  but taller and heavier than Pitts.

Tyree Jackson has a 9.95 RAS as a QB.  (he was a college QB, learning TE right now)  Tyree Jackson has a 9.8 RAS as a TE
Jayson Oweh has a 10 RAS as a QB. Jayson Oweh has a 10 RAS as a TE.

In 2019,  Tyree Jackson was the 2nd highest RAS, with that 9.95 = overall. 

A 9.87 RAS as a Defensive End.
A 9.8 RAS as a Linebacker.

So,   Howie got a weapon, a QB who is learning to be a TE, with top numbers, and these are combine numbers, at a number of positions.   You could use him as a weapon on defense,  rush the passer.  He's 6'7 with a 34.5 vert, so he should be able to block some passes.  As a DE,  his worst attribute is his weight, he's too light at 249 pounds.  Everything else,  he was either great or elite.  Elite speed,  9.64 to 9.77.  agility and explosive is both great, in the 8s.  So, if they wanted to,  Tyree Jackson could be a situational pass rusher.  9.87 RAS is plenty fine.  A situational edge rusher can be 249 pounds.  

So, there's a WEAPON,  he's on the roster, added in January.

Former Arizona QB Khalil Tate, who ran for 327 yards in a single game is trying to make the team as a WR.  he's proven at passing, proven at running, is built like a running back, 6'0 and 217.    He didn't have a pro day last year so his numbers are ?,  but 327 rushing yards in a game as a QB,  that WEAPON.

They added 2 QB / Weapons,  Jackson and Tate.    I think that they should add the exceptionally potent weapon, but raw and unpolished weapon,  Jayson Oweh. 

They have 7 WRs.  The have Greg Ward Jr, who is a polished runner at the QB position, and a steady and reliable slot receiver.   They also have 2 WRs drafted in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years.  And they have 3 other young receivers with varying degrees of good.   I don't really think the Eagles NEED another receiver.  I don't think the WRs are bad. 

Also, with Jalen Hurts being a very good runner,  running for over 100 yards in his first start, a win,  one would think that they would be building an offense similar to that of the Ravens.  Presumably that the Ravens with excellent runner Lamar have lost very few games in the regular season, and if the Eagles were to copy them, they would get similar results.    And that's pretty much true.  Hurts will throw the ball to one of the WRs or, if he doesn't like that, run for yards and first downs and touchdowns.  Also he should handoff a lot to the 230 pound back.  Not sure the Eagles have one of those.  They could use Oweh or Tyree Jackson for power running.  Hurts has good running back size. 

Watching the Ravens they had the largest margin of victory last year,  won a playoff and then losing a playoff.  Maybe the Eagles looked at how the Ravens lost and seek to avoid the same pitfalls.  It gets difficult to complete passes close to the end zone.  There is more room to get open farther away from the end zone.    What comes in very helpful in the end zone are TALL WEAPONS.   Tyree Jackson at 6'7 249 34.5 should be able to catch a high pass in the end zone.   Jayson Oweh 6'5 257 39.5 should be able to catch that same high pass.  You can put a number of TALL WEAPONS to make it easy for Hurts to have someone to throw, a Big Red Zone Threat, or another way to say TALL WEAPON.

The Ravens failed in the playoffs,  besides inadequate oline,  because of that one play, the pick 6, when Lamar threw to Mark Andrews when he had 3-4 guys covering him.    If the Eagles were not reliant on 1 single red zone threat,  if there were multiple good options,  the one issue that the Ravens had wouldn't apply.

When the QB isn't a weapon himself, it's important to have more smaller wrs to make big gains.  But Hurts is a weapon himself, can get first downs by running regularly.  So  the Eagles need 1 less smaller weapon, 1 bigger, red zone, blocking  weapon, on balance.

Mailata could be used as a blocking weapon on offense, with offensive capabilities shown on rugby youtubes.

Hurts has enough to run the ball down the field,  Lamar certainly does.   But Lamar really only had Mark Andrews to throw to in the red zone, but he does have Boyle and Ricard, both very good blockers. 






But when you say they could use a WEAPON, well, Oweh is that WEAPON.



 

May God have mercy on your soul and anyone who read past making Oweh an offensive weapon. 

7 hours ago, Outlaw said:

May God have mercy on your soul and anyone who read past making Oweh an offensive weapon. 

It took me to the 3rd "WEAPON" before I snapped out if it and realized what was being said lol

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It took me to the 3rd "WEAPON" before I snapped out if it and realized what was being said lol

I can’t read his posts ... they’re entirely too wordy.  

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I can’t read his posts ... they’re entirely too wordy.  

Nothing really to read, it's mostly about turning any player that runs under a 5 second 40 into a weapon or a running QB. 

That dude needs to get laid 

And the 12th just got a lot harder for Howie lol

10 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Nothing really to read, it's mostly about turning any player that runs under a 5 second 40 into a weapon or a running QB. 

No,  it's taking THE BEST.   Not "any player."

I'm the one who looks very very closely at those numbers.

What you are saying about me that IS true is that I'm pretty much going to be saying basically the same thing over and over.

Was it me who brought in 2 college running QBs to play WR or TE?

No,  that was the Eagles who brought in Khalil Tate and Tyree Jackson.

I'm not going to some teams message board and telling those teams with no evidence of positional innovation and telling them to bring in high sparq/ras players,  players with offense in their background who played defense in college, or DE/TEs in high school who played OT,  players with 10/10 RAS.     I'm here,  because the Eagles brought in Tate and Jackson this January, and I'm quite interested in what the Eagles might be doing with them.  They already had Hurts,  and Greg Ward, and Mailata - all the types of players that I'm interested in.  So much of NFL is dull, generic,  so I go and actively look for those teams who might be doing something that I find interesting.

It seems like you guys are the ones who want to dump on the front office,  to me, they're doing things to bring me here, and I say thumbs up to what they're doing.

And yes,  a 4.37 (maybe you aren't reading the numbers) guy who was catching TDs in high school, who weighs 257 pounds,  is a WEAPON.   He's not a reliable chain mover,  he's not a polished receiver,  but he's a weapon.  I don't know who is going to end up drafting him or whether or not they're going to try to put him out there on offense, but I'd be interested in that.

WEAPON =  the ability to do things physically that others can't.   You also have competency,  which is also important, and different from weaponyness.

On 4/2/2021 at 9:16 AM, Random Reglar said:

I don't really think the Eagles NEED another receiver.  I don't think the WRs are bad. 

Because we have no idea what we have in Reagor, I'd target Marquez Stevenson in round 3 or 4. 

Stevenson has outstanding RAC, the best in the draft as far as I'm concerned, he reminds me of Mike Quick.

17 hours ago, philafan4o8 said:

And the 12th just got a lot harder for Howie lol

Absolutely. This makes Carolina more likely to go with an offensive skill position. BPA, I guess. 

12 minutes ago, Erie said:

Absolutely. This makes Carolina more likely to go with an offensive skill position. BPA, I guess. 

Not only that. One of Carolina's biggest needs is cornerback lol. Absolute blunder by Howie for trading so early. Maybe the deal from Dolphins was not going to still be available as we got closer to the draft but the Eagles BETTER hit on this pick or else.

31 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

Not only that. One of Carolina's biggest needs is cornerback lol. Absolute blunder by Howie for trading so early. Maybe the deal from Dolphins was not going to still be available as we got closer to the draft but the Eagles BETTER hit on this pick or else.

Or else what? 

The Eagles will have to rely on good luck, because they sure as hell can't rely on "I'mma football guy" Howie Roseman.

25 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Or else what? 

Or else we all cry and pout on this board

Got a problem with that?

1 minute ago, philafan4o8 said:

Or else we all cry and pout on this board

Got a problem with that?

Just wanted to know what would happen if they didn't do what you asked 

If only 4 QBs are taken before 12, then all of the following could realistically be off the board: Pitts, Sewell, Chase, Surtain, Horn, Waddle, and Smith. Would be nice to have 5 QBs taken before us so one of them drops or have a team grab someone like Slater.

7 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

If only 4 QBs are taken before 12, then all of the following could realistically be off the board: Pitts, Sewell, Chase, Surtain, Horn, Waddle, and Smith. Would be nice to have 5 QBs taken before us so one of them drops or have a team grab someone like Slater.

That was the McShay mock draft. He explained the board fell that way and had the Eagles taking Parsons.

7 hours ago, Erie said:

Absolutely. This makes Carolina more likely to go with an offensive skill position. BPA, I guess. 

Or another QB factory! 

6 hours ago, kentwo said:

That was the McShay mock draft. He explained the board fell that way and had the Eagles taking Parsons.

About time we added a stud LB. I wouldn't complain too loudly I guess, especially if we can't get Surtain. WR can be had later in this draft.

Look at it this way... There are realistically 16 players worthy of being picked in the top 10.. 

Lawrence, Wilson,Chase,Sewell,Pitts,Fields,Parsons,Waddle,Smith,Lance,Farley,Paye,Darrisaw,Slater, Surtaine,Horn

Barring any slides or weird picks by someone, some mix of 5 of them will be there when we pick at 12...  

Not bad.  Worst case scenario is those 5 are what...  Horn,Parsons,Paye,Darrisaw and Slater?  Im ok with any of those 5. With any luck ONE, just ONE of the other 11 guys will be there at 12. And id be ecstatic no matter who it is. 

1 hour ago, Madriver said:

About time we added a stud LB. I wouldn't complain too loudly I guess, especially if we can't get Surtain. WR can be had later in this draft.

I think fans would be happy with that pick. Good news is that the new coaching staff comes from teams that value strong LB play, so that might influence their pick.

I'd still prefer one of the top two CBs. In today's game, the team doesn't stay in base coverage much and teams need all the quality cover guys they can find. Right now, that would be Slay on the outside and Maddox inside. No other CB on the team should even be on the field.