T-1000 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Dallas gets their QB yet another weapon they didnt need. The Eagles used a premium pick on a backup QB. One franchise has and is doing everything possible to set their QB up to have success, the other isnt and its a shame. The idea of using a 2nd round pick for a back up, a guy to use on gadget plays which takes Carson off the field, or to develop for future assets is ridiculous. You invest 100 million and then dont give him every resource possible to succeed? Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm if Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson. Screw Howie and screw Doug. Thanks for 2017 but screw you both. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Spot on they are failing Wentz and have failed Wentz since drafting him. Not giving him plenty of weapons. Not giving him any speed when he's a QB who wants to push the ball down the field. Keeping Foles around another year whilst he recovered from injury and then the circus that continued. The Foles statue. Now this. I wouldn't blame him if he did retire actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Are the Eagles failing Carson or are they souring on Carson? If they want to become a "QB factory " then you have to realize eventually even Carson will get the chop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uscg-green Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 This. If we gave Carson the same support Jerruh gives Dak he would be MVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allphilly Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Are the Eagles failing Carson or are they souring on Carson? If they want to become a "QB factory " then you have to realize eventually even Carson will get the chop. please define "the chop" My definition is being cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Disagree. Not are failing. Have failed Carson Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, allphilly said: please define "the chop" My definition is being cut Again the Eagles have a 2021 buyout option... cut, removed, traded. Tell me what makes more sense. Drafting a guy in the 2nd in hopes to flip him for a first or grooming a guy you drafted in the second in hopes to replace the often injured older guy with a monster contract? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmass88 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 The Eagles do not owe Carson Wentz or any player on the current roster anything. I dig Wentz as a qb and as person. His MVP type season helping us get our 1st Superbowl was great. His run he went on last year was great. But none of that signals that he should get a life long or, long term commitment from the Eagles. I wish him the best and hope he can stay healthy. But if he happens to get injured again and his back-up comes in, lights it up, and manages to stay healthy and becomes the "guy"? No one will be lamenting "what about Wentz???" And many will be flaming at the mouth trying to get value picks or players for him. It is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allphilly Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: Again the Eagles have a 2021 buyout option... cut, removed, traded. Tell me what makes more sense. Drafting a guy in the 2nd in hopes to flip him for a first or grooming a guy you drafted in the second in hopes to replace the often injured older guy with a monster contract? I don't have an issue with a team looking into the future and drafting an insurance policy, but if you think that's going to happen in 2021 you're putting the cart way before the horse. Also I think you missed the Eagles definition of "QB factory" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, allphilly said: I don't have an issue with a team looking into the future and drafting an insurance policy, but if you think that's going to happen in 2021 you're putting the cart way before the horse. Also I think you missed the Eagles definition of "QB factory" Every few years they plan to draft a guy. What do think that means? Keep Carson’s monster contract while they keep trading away the cheaper guys they groom? And talk about cart before the horse. You really believe drafting a guy in the 2nd in hopes to flip him for a first isn’t the exact definition of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allphilly Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, EazyEaglez said: Every few years they plan to draft a guy. What do think that means? Keep Carson’s monster contract while they keep trading away the cheaper guys they groom? And talk about cart before the horse. You really believe drafting a guy in the 2nd in hopes to flip him for a first isn’t the exact definition of that? I hate the effing pick. Worst pick in 40 years of watching this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToDie4Eagles Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, T-1000 said: The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson. You forgot one key element. It's not just the media and fans, but it's also the LOCKER ROOM. Wentz (allegedly) is already disliked by some player(s). Surely this will cause some division in the locker room and tweets from unnamed players saying Hurts should be the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, allphilly said: I hate the effing pick. Worst pick in 40 years of watching this team. I hate the pick to, but I’m sensing what this really means. Carson’s days are numbered unless he’s out there putting up Mahomes type numbers, winning MVPs and Super Bowls. The Eagles sent a message last night directed straight at number 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmass88 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I hate the pick to, but I’m sensing what this really means. Carson’s days are numbered unless he’s out there putting up Mahomes type numbers, winning MVPs and Super Bowls. The Eagles sent a message last night directed straight at number 11. Yall are funny af. You hate the pick bc it means unless Carson is putting up great numbers and WINNING, his days are numbered? Lol. . .What?!?! Those are the metrics for pretty much every NFL qb for ANY franchise with Superbowl and sustained success. Some of y'all sound like Carson Wentz fans more than you do Eagles fans. This team let the greatest player we have ever seen who was the very definition of an Eagle -Brian Dawkins- leave over a petty money and invisible age cap. Nothing is ever off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, kmass88 said: Yall are funny af. You hate the pick bc it means unless Carson is putting up great numbers and WINNING, his days are numbered? Nope not for sure it's not. I hate the pick because there's no logic, no strategy, it's all dependent on what? That he may get traded in a couple of years for greater value than this years #53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, kmass88 said: Yall are funny af. You hate the pick bc it means unless Carson is putting up great numbers and WINNING, his days are numbered? Lol. . .What?!?! Those are the metrics for pretty much every NFL qb for ANY franchise with Superbowl and sustained success. Some of y'all sound like Carson Wentz fans more than you do Eagles fans. This team let the greatest player we have ever seen who was the very definition of an Eagle -Brian Dawkins- leave over a petty money and invisible age cap. Nothing is ever off the table. I hate the pick because I see what means. I see it’s going to create tension. I see it’s going to create a QB controversy. The only way to quell any of that Carson is going to need to be better than what he is right now. Wake up and smell the coffee. You don’t draft a QB in the 2nd round to be a backup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, EazyEaglez said: I hate the pick because I see what means. I see it’s going to create tension. I see it’s going to create a QB controversy. The only way to quell any of that Carson is going to need to be better than what he is right now. Wake up and smell the coffe. You don’t draft a QBs in the 2nd round to be a backup. But Carson has to be better, do more and without having been given a number of extra receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmass88 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Nope not for sure it's not. I hate the pick because there's no logic, no strategy, it's all dependent on what? That he may get traded in a couple of years for greater value than this years #53. The problem is you are not seeing the writing on the wall and trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid reading what that writing is telling you. Sure you can take Howie and Doug at their words about wanting to be a "qb factory" and drafting Hurts to potentially flip him, or to be a solid back-up to "strengthen" the qb room. Or you can look at the logic and precedent and the current situation and come to many other conclusions. We will never know what the truth is unless they tell us. But I'm gonna say they did not draft Hurts, to flip him. They drafted him as a viable insurance policy. You don't get that happy, and high five and celebrate, bc you are feasting a guy who you see yourself flipping. That's my take anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, kmass88 said: The problem is you are not seeing the writing on the wall and trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid reading what that writing is telling you. Go on what's that writing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: But Carson has to be better, do more and without having been given a number of extra receivers. He got one guy in first... He could get more now. That kid from the Skins last year was a 4th and the Eagles have several to work with. We will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, EazyEaglez said: He got one guy in first... He could get more now. That kid from the Skins last year was a 4th and the Eagles have several to work with. We will see what happens. I don't trust Howie to pick the right guys. I doubt he even gets a WR anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmass88 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I hate the pick because I see what means. I see it’s going to create tension. I see it’s going to create a QB controversy. The only way to quell any of that Carson is going to need to be better than what he is right now. Wake up and smell the coffee. You don’t draft a QBs in the 2nd round to be a backup. I never said you did. And I'm sorry I'm tired of all the soft ish. If Carson cant handle it, to go along with the locker reports of his attitude at times and etc? Then he has an issue and maybe doesn't need to be a Philly Eagle or in our locker room? If this pushes him to be better on the field, in the locker room, a better teammate etc. That's a win as far as I'm concerned. If it causes him to have a melt down, and other issues? That's a Carson Wentz problem. Dude is good NFL player with a bright future. He is not a sure fire HoF player with an impeccable resume where he needs his arse kissed and every whim catered to. Nah that's out. 6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Go on what's that writing? Bro I explained it in my OG post. I'm not trying to argue or go back and forth with you for hours over variance of opinions. or bc you are in your feelings over a football pick. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, kmass88 said: The problem is you are not seeing the writing on the wall and trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid reading what that writing is telling you. Sure you can take Howie and Doug at their words about wanting to be a "qb factory" and drafting Hurts to potentially flip him, or to be a solid back-up to "strengthen" the qb room. Or you can look at the logic and precedent and the current situation and come to many other conclusions. We will never know what the truth is unless they tell us. But I'm gonna say they did not draft Hurts, to flip him. They drafted him as a viable insurance policy. You don't get that happy, and high five and celebrate, bc you are feasting a guy who you see yourself flipping. That's my take anyway. Oh I see clearly what’s happening and drafting a kid QB in the second round isn’t valuable insurance. It’s an eventual replacement. At best this becomes a scenario the Charges had when they had to choose Brees or Rivers. On has to go. These two quarterbacks can not coexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmass88 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, EazyEaglez said: Oh I see clearly what’s happening and drafting a kid QB in the second round isn’t valuable insurance. It’s an eventual replacement. At best this becomes a scenario the Charges had when they had to choose Brees or Rivers. On has to go. These two quarterbacks can not coexist. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I don't trust Howie to pick the right guys. I doubt he even gets a WR anyway. I for one can’t say he’s going to make the right choice. He’s blown nearly every receiver pick he’s made so I can’t trust that Howie will get it right. I’m just hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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