29 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

You completely missed the whole point of the thread. The Dak is being given every opportunity to succeed by putting strong offensive pieces around him multiple times over. What does Wentz have? 1 stud TE, 1 solid TE, 1 promising RB coming off an injured rookie year, and stable of WRs who are often injured, fresh off PS, or can't catch. It's nothing short of a miracle that Wentz was able to horse this team into the playoffs last year with what he had. I like the Reagor pick but the next round? Yeah they drafted Wentz's replacement already. They didn't do enough to address the offense during FA and so far during the draft while other contenders in the NFC are loaded giving their QBs plenty of chances to succeed. 

 

 

Yall dudes love arguing to argue. The point of the thread is how the Eagles are failing Wentz. My comment was they don't owe Wentz anything. 

 

Seems like I was speaking to what the point of thread is, illustrated by you trying to say they aren't getting Wentz help. Again, read it slowly if you need to: The Philadelphia Eagles do not owe Carson Wentz anything.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

How could anyone have faith in him?

You have to hope that something might work. I mean as horrible as this draft looks on paper you never know how things will turn out until they start playing games. Heck everyone gushed over the Sidney Jones pick and they were wrong! Maybe since most of us don’t like this one we could be wrong. Sorry bud that’s the best I got. 😂

27 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Yall dudes love arguing to argue. The point of the thread is how the Eagles are failing Wentz. My comment was they don't owe Wentz anything. 

 

Seems like I was speaking to what the point of thread is, illustrated by you trying to say they aren't getting Wentz help. Again, read it slowly if you need to: The Philadelphia Eagles do not owe Carson Wentz anything.

The Eagles might not owe Wentz anything, but I think they owe it to the fans to try and commit to winning and let’s be real. Drafting a QB in the second round is not that.

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Because they had no choice. Tell me this why did the guarantee Jeffery’s contract when they didn’t have to? Why did they guarantee their coaching back and fire them the next day? Why do rumors keep circulating they have been putting Dillard’s name out in trade discussions? Tell me why if they’re so committed to Carson do they have a 2021 buyout option? 

I'm operating under the assumption of not believing anything the FO is saying, especially with how certain things are playing out. It seems to me they are trying to do a shadow rebuild of some sort. But also trying to maybe play both sides of the fence, as putting together a taped together competitive team. But have one foot in and out of the door on a full scale rebuild.

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles might now owe Wentz anything, but I think they owe it to the fans to try and commit to winning and let’s be real. Drafting a QB in the second round is not that.

See my last post. The front office is playing a lot of games right now and fans emotions are getting caught in the middle. This team is not close to contending and if we're being real? Drafting rookies at all the positions they need help at?  Was not going to turn this team into a serious contender. Unless they hit on every pick. 

 

A friends father has said he believes the Eagles are rebuilding, but trying to be cute. I'm leaning towards agreeing with him.

Just now, kmass88 said:

I'm operating under the assumption of not believing anything the FO is saying, especially with how certain things are playing out. It seems to me they are trying to do a shadow rebuild of some sort. But also trying to maybe play both sides of the fence, as putting together a taped together competitive team. But have one foot in and out of the door on a full scale rebuild.

They do have a serious seesaw thing going on right now and that shows me the failings of a "collaborative effort.” Too many cooks in the kitchen and no one really stepping out of the shadows as the real face. No real football guy making football decisions. Just a scattered mess of people who step over one another. People are so convinced this new offensive coordinator creation is gonna work. Sorry but I don’t think so and I don’t believe the coach thinks so either. 

1 minute ago, kmass88 said:

See my last post. The front office is playing a lot of games right now and fans emotions are getting caught in the middle. This team is not close to contending and of we're being real drafting rookies at all the positions they need help at was not going to turn this team into a serious contender. Unless they hit on every pick. 

 

A friends father has said he believes the Eagles are rebuilding, but trying to be cute. I'm leaning towards agreeing with him.

I read your post and kind of agree. 

Could have given him a ton of weapons

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

They do have a serious seesaw thing going on right now and that shows me the failings of a "collaborative effort.” Too many cooks in the kitchen and no one really stepping out of the shadows as the real face. No real football guy making football decisions. Just a scattered mess of people who step over one another. People are so convinced this new offensive coordinator creation is gonna work. Sorry but I don’t think so and I don’t believe the coach thinks so either. 

Honestly I'm taking a wait and see approach. Yes we have history and precedent to go on. And right now with EVERYTHING surrounded this team, not even just this draft? Just everything? It does not look good. Ray Charles could see that.

But the dam is going to break at some point, and we will have to see how it all washed out. I'm 41. I've been through worse ish than this as an Eagles fan. 

14 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Yall dudes love arguing to argue. The point of the thread is how the Eagles are failing Wentz. My comment was they don't owe Wentz anything. 

 

Seems like I was speaking to what the point of thread is, illustrated by you trying to say they aren't getting Wentz help. Again, read it slowly if you need to: The Philadelphia Eagles do not owe Carson Wentz anything.

If they're going to invest $100 Million in him, I'd say they owe him the best chance to succeed.

6 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Honestly I'm taking a wait and see approach. Yes we have history and precedent to go on. And right now with EVERYTHING surrounded this team, not even just this draft? Just everything? It does not look good. Ray Charles could see that.

But the dam is going to break at some point, and we will have to see how it all washed out. I'm 41. I've been through worse ish than this as an Eagles fan. 

Hey bro we got a Super Bowl! I’m still living on that high. I’m still have to wonder what is the direction this team is trying to go in. I mean did the Eagles draft a weapon for Carson Wentz or did they draft a weapon for Jalen Hurts. The way they’re working so hard to revamp their defense I have this feel of when the Eagles had McNabb and a stout defense to overcome while he learned the ropes. People need to wake up though. Who has more trade value Hurts or Wentz?

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

If they're going to invest $100 Million in him, I'd say they owe him the best chance to succeed.

Then apply that to Alshon and every other player they pay money to. 

Just bc they paid him money they do not owe him the best chance to succeed. Espclecially if in hindsight they think maybe he may not be the answer or they made a mistake (a la Alshon).

 

I can't say either way. I'm just not going to go crazy over it.

2 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Then apply that to Alshon and every other player they pay money to. 

Just bc they paid him money they do not owe him the best chance to succeed. Espclecially if in hindsight they think maybe he may not be the answer or they made a mistake (a la Alshon).

 

I can't say either way. I'm just not going to go crazy over it.

In a twist the fact they paid Alshon (and Jackson for that matter) they already feel like they invested in weapons for Carson. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hey bro we got a Super Bowl! I’m still living on that high. I’m still have to wonder what is the direction this team is trying to go in. I mean did the Eagles draft a weapon for Carson Wentz or did they draft a weapon for Jalen Hurts. The way they’re working so had to revamp their defense I have this feel of when the Eagles had McNabb and a stout defense to overcome while he learned the ropes. People need to wake up though. Who has more trade value Hurts or Wentz?

We're on the same page. I'm not upset over the pick, I'm upset that there does not seem to be any clear direction.

 

But you are 100% correct. Carson Wentz has more value than Hurts. And I cannot buy that you drafted Hurts to be a future asset. Gtfoh. 

The second they picked him I'm sure their phone was ringing asking if Wentz was available and what would it take?

 

You're telling me of a team offered 3 1st rounders or 2 first and some other picks, they aren't thinking about that?

 

I'm not buying anything they are saying rn.

Just now, kmass88 said:

Then apply that to Alshon and every other player they pay money to. 

Just bc they paid him money they do not owe him the best chance to succeed. Espclecially if in hindsight they think maybe he may not be the answer or they made a mistake (a la Alshon).

 

I can't say either way. I'm just not going to go crazy over it.

As to your first line: Sure. If you have a WR you like, then he should be given the best chance to succeed by having a great QB to throw to him. I think they got that covered.

If they're paying him a lot of money, then what sense does it make not giving them the best chance to succeed? That doesn't make sense.

If they think they made a mistake on Wentz, then that's fair enough, but to find that out AFTER you pay him over $100 Million just further illustrates their own incompetence.

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

As to your first line: Sure. If you have a WR you like, then he should be given the best chance to succeed by having a great QB to throw to him. I think they got that covered.

If they're paying him a lot of money, then what sense does it make not giving them the best chance to succeed? That doesn't make sense.

If they think they made a mistake on Wentz, then that's fair enough, but to find that out AFTER you pay him over $100 Million just further illustrates their own incompetence.

I agree. No argument for me. I've been saying this whole ish has been dysfunctional since all the drama with Foles. It's been a circus since the clock hit 0:00 on that Superbowl.

3 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

I agree. No argument for me. I've been saying this whole ish has been dysfunctional since all the drama with Foles. It's been a circus since the clock hit 0:00 on that Superbowl.

I can't argue that. The FO has been a sheet show since.

Still no freaking WR. FFS!

10 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Then apply that to Alshon and every other player they pay money to. 

Just bc they paid him money they do not owe him the best chance to succeed. Espclecially if in hindsight they think maybe he may not be the answer or they made a mistake (a la Alshon).

 

I can't say either way. I'm just not going to go crazy over it.

My point is that they seem to be treating the symptoms and not the problem by spending a 2nd round on Hurts. It just doesn't make sense unless they plan to move on from Wentz within the next 2 years. That's like trading in you're new car because it had a flat tire. I'm sorry but our offense was a laughing stock last year with broken pieces all over and Wentz somehow still managed to horse us into the playoffs and finally got concussed after running for his life out there. He could be so much better if he had weapons he can rely on because DJax and AJ are damaged goods. I really believe Wentz is gone in 2 years and Hurts will be our new McNabb. 

7 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

My point is that they seem to be treating the symptoms and not the problem by spending a 2nd round on Hurts. It just doesn't make sense unless they plan to move on from Wentz within the next 2 years. That's like trading in you're new car because it had a flat tire. I'm sorry but our offense was a laughing stock last year with broken pieces all over and Wentz somehow still managed to horse us into the playoffs and finally got concussed after running for his life out there. He could be so much better if he had weapons he can rely on because DJax and AJ are damaged goods. I really believe Wentz is gone in 2 years and Hurts will be our new McNabb. 

Bro this team is rebuilding. I guess I have just accepted that, or made myself believe it. And until otherwise is said or proven? Thats where we are. Making the playoffs and being competitive might be the nex tier they are going for.

 

But this team is not trying to build towards winning a Superbowl, or being a top NFL team next year. Howie did kind of say as much last year. Hell we don't even have an established identity as a whole team rn. 

 

Who and what are the 2020 Philly Eagles? I dont have an answer.

 

6 minutes ago, kmass88 said:

Bro this team is rebuilding. I guess I have just accepted that, or made myself believe it. And until otherwise is said or proven? Thats where we are. Making the playoffs and being competitive might be the nex tier they are going for.

 

But this team is not trying to build towards winning a Superbowl next year. Howie did kind of say as much last year. 

 

Saints gotta be licking their chops knowing Wentz might be available in a year or 2 when Brees hangs it up. 

17 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

My point is that they seem to be treating the symptoms and not the problem by spending a 2nd round on Hurts. It just doesn't make sense unless they plan to move on from Wentz within the next 2 years. That's like trading in you're new car because it had a flat tire. I'm sorry but our offense was a laughing stock last year with broken pieces all over and Wentz somehow still managed to horse us into the playoffs and finally got concussed after running for his life out there. He could be so much better if he had weapons he can rely on because DJax and AJ are damaged goods. I really believe Wentz is gone in 2 years and Hurts will be our new McNabb. 

Let’s be honest here though. In four years of having this car (Wentz) the Eagles have had far more than just a flat tire with him. We’re talking the car has broken down and been in the shop for months at a time. The flat tire (concussion) could  just have been the last straw for the Eagles to want to get a new car to eventually replace the older one.

If Wentz called Roseman and demanded a trade, I would not blame him. I wouldn't even be angry with him. Seriously.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Let’s be honest here though. In four years of having this car (Wentz) the Eagles have had far more than just a flat tire with him. We’re talking the car has broken down and been in the shop for months at a time. The flat tire (concussion) could  just have been the last straw for the Eagles to want to get a new car to eventually replace the older one.

It is what it is. I still say they treated the symptom and not the problem. With Hurts, we're about to relive a modified version of the NcNabb era all over again. Sanders is our new Westbrook, Goddert our new Chad Lewis, we got Marty back, our WRs will be bums. The only wrinkle is Reagor might be Wr we needed before DJax. 

1 hour ago, kmass88 said:

Yall dudes love arguing to argue. The point of the thread is how the Eagles are failing Wentz. My comment was they don't owe Wentz anything. 

 

Seems like I was speaking to what the point of thread is, illustrated by you trying to say they aren't getting Wentz help. Again, read it slowly if you need to: The Philadelphia Eagles do not owe Carson Wentz anything.

They owe it to themselves to get him weapon(s)