1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Now we got lucky with both in the trade market, but the point is that you should only use a first or second rounder on a Quarterback if you want them to be the starter at some point.

That's been my gripe since the beginning.

21 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

They do have a serious seesaw thing going on right now and that shows me the failings of a "collaborative effort.” Too many cooks in the kitchen and no one really stepping out of the shadows as the real face. No real football guy making football decisions. Just a scattered mess of people who step over one another. People are so convinced this new offensive coordinator creation is gonna work. Sorry but I don’t think so and I don’t believe the coach thinks so either. 

Yeah, we couldn’t handle hearing the titles of passing game coordinator and run game coordinator. Now you throw in Marty and the dude from Denver who was terrible (I live in CO, everyone hated him) and I’m a little nervous. Hey, if our first 15 plays are scripted better than the Doug/Groh combo, thumbs up. Is there an example anywhere, outside of college, where this has worked?

Also, I hope they get creative with Hurts, but I can’t help remember us losing our minds when Andy would pull DMac for Vick near the RZ only to end up with a FG when things seemed to be humming. Only play I can remember off the top of my head that was useful was a Sunday night game against the Bears where r Vick dropped a beauty to Celek. 

27 minutes ago, Makilavelli said:

Yeah, we couldn’t handle hearing the titles of passing game coordinator and run game coordinator. Now you throw in Marty and the dude from Denver who was terrible (I live in CO, everyone hated him) and I’m a little nervous. Hey, if our first 15 plays are scripted better than the Doug/Groh combo, thumbs up. Is there an example anywhere, outside of college, where this has worked?

Also, I hope they get creative with Hurts, but I can’t help remember us losing our minds when Andy would pull DMac for Vick near the RZ only to end up with a FG when things seemed to be humming. Only play I can remember off the top of my head that was useful was a Sunday night game against the Bears where r Vick dropped a beauty to Celek. 

49ers are using this approach 

13 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

49ers are using this approach 

And what did that accomplish for the 49ers? 

42 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

And what did that accomplish for the 49ers? 

More then the eagles did the last 2 years. Didn't say I liked the approach but the guy asked for an example cause he said there isn't any in the NFL

On 4/25/2020 at 10:40 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Again the Eagles have a 2021 buyout option... cut, removed, traded. Tell me what makes more sense. Drafting a guy in the 2nd in hopes to flip him for a first or grooming a guy you drafted in the second in hopes to replace the often injured older guy with a monster contract? 

This is the only thing that really makes sense. They are grooming his replacement now.

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

More then the eagles did the last 2 years. Didn't say I liked the approach but the guy asked for an example cause he said there isn't any in the NFL

Okay they’re multiple teams out there that did more than the Eagles and do not have the 49ers setup. That’s kind of a lame reason to try and duplicate something that failed to win anything. I will state you know what really helped the 49ers? Being so crappy that they have been drafting near the top of the draft which finally helped build up their defense. 

3 hours ago, Makilavelli said:

Yeah, we couldn’t handle hearing the titles of passing game coordinator and run game coordinator. Now you throw in Marty and the dude from Denver who was terrible (I live in CO, everyone hated him) and I’m a little nervous. Hey, if our first 15 plays are scripted better than the Doug/Groh combo, thumbs up. Is there an example anywhere, outside of college, where this has worked?

Also, I hope they get creative with Hurts, but I can’t help remember us losing our minds when Andy would pull DMac for Vick near the RZ only to end up with a FG when things seemed to be humming. Only play I can remember off the top of my head that was useful was a Sunday night game against the Bears where r Vick dropped a beauty to Celek. 

If you're talking about the game I'm thinking of, that was in 2010, and Vick was the starter by then, not the WC option.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Okay they’re multiple teams out there that did more than the Eagles and do not have the 49ers setup. That’s kind of a lame reason to try and duplicate something that failed to win anything. I will state you know what really helped the 49ers? Being so crappy that they have been drafting near the top of the draft which finally helped build up their defense. 

Well either way he asked for an example I gave him one lol. I have no desire to argue the whole thing. 

As for your other comment about grooming hurts to possibly take over for Wentz if he can't stay healthy that I agree with. Sadly I had to agree with Donovan effing McNabb today because he said the same thing ugh. 

This team is either gonna surprise everyone and put all this nonsense together or they are just going to flat out be a disaster. I don't think there will be an in between this year.  

4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well either way he asked for an example I gave him one lol. I have no desire to argue the whole thing. 

As for your other comment about grooming hurts to possibly take over for Wentz if he can't stay healthy that I agree with. Sadly I had to agree with Donovan effing McNabb today because he said the same thing ugh. 

This team is either gonna surprise everyone and put all this nonsense together or they are just going to flat out be a disaster. I don't think there will be an in between this year.  

Well I didn’t catch anything that McNabb said recently, but I’m not surprised he chimed in on all of this. It’s interesting cause when he does speak it often gets a negative response more times than not he’s been right even if people don’t want to admit it. The pick of Hurts is a mixed message. One of many by this organization since they got bounced out of the playoffs. 

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well I didn’t catch anything that McNabb said recently, but I’m not surprised he chimed in on all of this. It’s interesting cause when he does speak it often gets a negative response more times than not he’s been right even if people don’t want to admit it. The pick of Hurts is a mixed message. One of many by this organization since they got bounced out of the playoffs. 

You have to look at it and take into account - I've said it, I said it last year, I said it the year before, and everybody gave me heat. If you continuously get hurt, they're going to look to bring somebody in to step in and fill the void. Carson is one of the top quarterbacks in the league, when he's healthy. But he just hasn't been healthy, over the last couple years, to finish seasons out.

This is what he said about the pick when it comes to Wentz and what it means

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You have to look at it and take into account - I've said it, I said it last year, I said it the year before, and everybody gave me heat. If you continuously get hurt, they're going to look to bring somebody in to step in and fill the void. Carson is one of the top quarterbacks in the league, when he's healthy. But he just hasn't been healthy, over the last couple years, to finish seasons out.

This is what he said about the pick when it comes to Wentz and what it means

The problem isn’t that they brought someone in. The problem is where they brought someone in. Of course this doesn’t happen if Carson isn’t getting injured every season. I don’t see how this kid would be ready to step in and play games if Carson goes down especially in the playoffs. I will state if he is then frankly he makes Carson highly expendable. 

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

If you're talking about the game I'm thinking of, that was in 2010, and Vick was the starter by then, not the WC option.

I believe it was 2009 because I remember my mother in law visiting and rooting obnoxiously for the Bears and my wife made me leave the room at one point 

2 minutes ago, Makilavelli said:

I believe it was 2009 because I remember my mother in law visiting and rooting obnoxiously for the Bears and my wife made me leave the room at one point 

It was 2010. Neither Vick nor Celek scored in the 2009 game.

52 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

It was 2010. Neither Vick nor Celek scored in the 2009 game.

Yeah, sorry brother. I’m all outta whack. I obviously don’t remember the game, but Vick came in for a play and tossed a bomb down the middle of the field to Celek. There was no score involved either, just an excellent throw into a nice window. No matter.

In any case, while I had a bad example I was just trying to highlight that even with one of the most brilliant offensive minds in the game calling plays, the package didn’t bear any fruit. Doug will be given every chance to be effective with them and I hope it’s great. Hurts is an amazing athlete and they sound committed to making sure that his skills are injected into this offense and if it leads to wins I won’t be complaining 🙂 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The problem isn’t that they brought someone in. The problem is where they brought someone in. Of course this doesn’t happen if Carson isn’t getting injured every season. I don’t see how this kid would be ready to step in and play games if Carson goes down especially in the playoffs. I will state if he is then frankly he makes Carson highly expendable. 

Well last year was a disaster. They draft Thorson he was absolutely horrible. Sudfeld gets hurt and they dropped him to 3rd QB after signing a 40 year old QB who had to play his first play off game ever because Wentz got hurt. This is now 3 times a back up had to come in for a playoff run/game. They couldn't afford to keep Foles and a 5th round pick would take to long to get anything out of.

So I think they decided to get serious about having a good back up again so they don't piss away playoff opportunities on the event that Carson gets hurt. I absolutely hate saying that but, it's reality even if it wasn't Carson's fault he got hurt this last time. 

If they have to they can just dumb down the offense for Hurts and give him some RPO's and use his athleticism and arm to get some first downs. I think with his skill set they could at least steal a few games if they need it. 

13 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well last year was a disaster. They draft Thorson he was absolutely horrible. Sudfeld gets hurt and they dropped him to 3rd QB after signing a 40 year old QB who had to play his first play off game ever because Wentz got hurt. This is now 3 times a back up had to come in for a playoff run/game. They couldn't afford to keep Foles and a 5th round pick would take to long to get anything out of.

So I think they decided to get serious about having a good back up again so they don't piss away playoff opportunities on the event that Carson gets hurt. I absolutely hate saying that but, it's reality even if it wasn't Carson's fault he got hurt this last time. 

If they have to they can just dumb down the offense for Hurts and give him some RPO's and use his athleticism and arm to get some first downs. I think with his skill set they could at least steal a few games if they need it. 

Fair point, friend. Now that he’s here I’m hoping they find use for him other than trade bait down the road that may only be marginally better than where they picked from. They’ve already said he brings a unique skill set they plan to utilize so I am intrigued.

As I think about it more, while I’d rather they took Mims or BPA on defense, at least they grabbed a backup we can have this debate about. They were dead set on getting one , but can you imagine them taking just any old pocket QB? Yikes I wouldn’t want to see the responses. A better version of Suds, maybe? 😄

16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well last year was a disaster. They draft Thorson he was absolutely horrible. Sudfeld gets hurt and they dropped him to 3rd QB after signing a 40 year old QB who had to play his first play off game ever because Wentz got hurt. This is now 3 times a back up had to come in for a playoff run/game. They couldn't afford to keep Foles and a 5th round pick would take to long to get anything out of.

So I think they decided to get serious about having a good back up again so they don't piss away playoff opportunities on the event that Carson gets hurt. I absolutely hate saying that but, it's reality even if it wasn't Carson's fault he got hurt this last time. 

If they have to they can just dumb down the offense for Hurts and give him some RPO's and use his athleticism and arm to get some first downs. I think with his skill set they could at least steal a few games if they need it. 

Last year was a mess for the quarterback position. Thing is I don’t think you can just up and create an offense in a situation like the Seattle game when the gameplan was something completely different. You might be able to pull that off with a veteran, but there’s no way you’re doing that with a rookie. Meanwhile we hear Doug want to stress the fact Hurts is a quarterback. He referenced Hill and what he does for the Saints. Now maybe Hurts could do some of that, but can he catch? Can he play special teams? Do you really want to see some kind of wildcat formation with Wentz playing wide receiver? Not to mention you don’t take a gadget player with the second pick in your draft. Now to the other point from Pederson... He compared this situation to Flacco and Jackson. Well what happened in that scenario? Jackson eventually replaced Flacco. It should also be noted the Eagles traded the pick to the Ravens that had them pick Jackson. Not realizing it the Eagles have made Carson look fragile and expendable. 

All these theories are great but bring up the question, if they have doubts about Carson, why did they sign him to a massive contract, he still had one year left on his rookie deal.

 

11 minutes ago, Perforator said:

All these theories are great but bring up the question, if they have doubts about Carson, why did they sign him to a massive contract, he still had one year left on his rookie deal.

 

They like Carson a lot and the price was right.  Makes sense.  Except he got hurt again and we lost because of it.  No Foles.  So they hedged their bet with Hurts.  Now they are covered either way and have a couple of years to see what unfolds.  If Carson lights it up, no worries.  If Carson gets hurt again, we roll with Hurts on a friendly contract.

 

12 minutes ago, Miami said:

They like Carson a lot and the price was right.  Makes sense.

 

Letting Foles go, giving Wentz a huge contract and then drafting his replacement with the second pick the following year does not make sense to me.

 

17 hours ago, Perforator said:

Letting Foles go, giving Wentz a huge contract and then drafting his replacement with the second pick the following year does not make sense to me.

 

That's the part I can't really understand. I'm trying to look at the reasons and I'm trying to see the positives but the situation they've created is the one I can't understand. 

On 4/26/2020 at 5:46 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A QB factory based on what? The failure to develop Sudfeld to be a starter? In fact they don't even really trust him as a back up. 

The joke of a pick to get Thorson? 

Foles is the only case and in that case all we have done is produced a QB who is a below average starter at any other team in the league. 

This QB factory stuff is not only wrong but it's also not the point of the NFL. Develop QBs for other teams to benefit? Develop QBs for picks? Its hardly provided a great return so far. 

Foles got us the SB and then was just let go. It's been years since they've traded a backup for anything of value

On 4/26/2020 at 8:01 AM, hey suess said:

Besides having a pretty awesome offensive line, including a smart center in Kelce, and two of the greatest bookends in Peters  and Lane in the NFL, Carson has had Darren Sproles, Zack Ertz, Brent Celek, Alshon Jeffrey, LeGarrette Blount, Tory Smith, Jay Ajayi, Dallas Goedert, Miles Sanders, Jordan Howard and DeShawn Jackson.

Wouldn't quite say they’ve failed him.

 

I think he had 1-2 years with Celek before he retired? Sproles was on a decline for years that Doug was too sentimental about. Alshon kept getting injured and then took a nosedive in production last year. Blount was great for a year. Don't know where he ended up but I'm sure his production is bad considering his age. Smith had trouble all season with connecting with Wentz and then finally woke up in the post season. Ajayi had 1 good year in him. Howard was great for maybe half a season until he had that mysterious shoulder injury. Jackson was great for 1 game.

He was surrounded with a lot of aged players either in their decline or starting it. hopefully Jackson stays healthy and father time doesn't come.

Peters is gone. Kelce maybe has a year left before he calls it in.

On 4/26/2020 at 3:12 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

You have to look at it and take into account - I've said it, I said it last year, I said it the year before, and everybody gave me heat. If you continuously get hurt, they're going to look to bring somebody in to step in and fill the void. Carson is one of the top quarterbacks in the league, when he's healthy. But he just hasn't been healthy, over the last couple years, to finish seasons out.

This is what he said about the pick when it comes to Wentz and what it means

He was fine last season until that dbag took that illegal shot.

4 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

 

I think he had 1-2 years with Celek before he retired? Sproles was on a decline for years that Doug was too sentimental about. Alshon kept getting injured and then took a nosedive in production last year. Blount was great for a year. Don't know where he ended up but I'm sure his production is bad considering his age. Smith had trouble all season with connecting with Wentz and then finally woke up in the post season. Ajayi had 1 good year in him. Howard was great for maybe half a season until he had that mysterious shoulder injury. Jackson was great for 1 game.

He was surrounded with a lot of aged players either in their decline or starting it. hopefully Jackson stays healthy and father time doesn't come.

Peters is gone. Kelce maybe has a year left before he calls it in.

 

lol...so you wanted an upgrade at every one of those positions?? Hysterical. If Wentz needs that much to be a success, then maybe he isn’t the guy, huh?

9 minutes ago, hey suess said:

lol...so you wanted an upgrade at everyone of those positions?? Hysterical. If Wentz needs that much to be a success, then maybe he isn’t the guy, huh?

Where'd you get that from what I posted?

You listed a bunch of talent. I went more specific with the amount of time he had with that talent. Also that some weren't even in their prime years and were on the decline