37 minutes ago, hey suess said:

lol...so you wanted an upgrade at every one of those positions?? Hysterical. If Wentz needs that much to be a success, then maybe he isn’t the guy, huh?

He proved last year he doesn't. He was a success with absolute trash at WR

32 minutes ago, allphilly said:

He proved last year he doesn't. He was a success with absolute trash at WR

Which is why we should all be hopeful that these WRs we've brought in are going to work out. They have more talent than those we had last year. 

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, T-1000 said:

Dallas gets their QB yet another weapon they didnt need.

The Eagles used a premium pick on a backup QB.

One franchise has and is doing everything possible to set their QB up to have success, the other isnt and its a shame.

The idea of using a 2nd round pick for a back up, a guy to use on gadget plays which takes Carson off the field, or to develop for future assets is ridiculous. You invest 100 million and then dont give him every resource possible to succeed?

Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm if Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson.

Screw Howie and screw Doug. Thanks for 2017 but screw you both.

These are the hot taeks that brought me back.

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, T-1000 said:

Dallas gets their QB yet another weapon they didnt need.

The Eagles used a premium pick on a backup QB.

One franchise has and is doing everything possible to set their QB up to have success, the other isnt and its a shame.

The idea of using a 2nd round pick for a back up, a guy to use on gadget plays which takes Carson off the field, or to develop for future assets is ridiculous. You invest 100 million and then dont give him every resource possible to succeed?

Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm if Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson.

Screw Howie and screw Doug. Thanks for 2017 but screw you both.

Pftt.....IF Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well, then thank you Howie and Doug.

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, T-1000 said:

Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm if Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson.

This would happen REGARDLESS of who our backup QB is.

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, T-1000 said:

Dallas gets their QB yet another weapon they didnt need.

The Eagles used a premium pick on a backup QB.

One franchise has and is doing everything possible to set their QB up to have success, the other isnt and its a shame.

The idea of using a 2nd round pick for a back up, a guy to use on gadget plays which takes Carson off the field, or to develop for future assets is ridiculous. You invest 100 million and then dont give him every resource possible to succeed?

Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm ifdifferance Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson.

Screw Howie and screw Doug. Thanks for 2017 but screw you both.

the dallas QB hasn't missed games the last 3 years either and picking up a play making back up QB fits a need. a back up won a super bowl in  2017, a back up had to open the season in 2018 and then play in the playoffs , 2019 backup had to finish playoff game. carson has zero playoff wins , so really carson has failed the team. i'm the biggest carson backer too and hope he leads the team to another ring. in your post you are already stating wait til he misses games and hurts plays great , that's what we want in a back up. hurts plays that seattle game i bet the team wins. i think howie did whats best for the team IMO.

34 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

the dallas QB hasn't missed games the last 3 years either and picking up a play making back up QB fits a need. a back up won a super bowl in  2017, a back up had to open the season in 2018 and then play in the playoffs , 2019 backup had to finish playoff game. carson has zero playoff wins , so really carson has failed the team. i'm the biggest carson backer too and hope he leads the team to another ring. in your post you are already stating wait til he misses games and hurts plays great , that's what we want in a back up. hurts plays that seattle game i bet the team wins. i think howie did whats best for the team IMO.

Hurts doesn't win the Seattle game with the trash we were running out there. Oline injuries, Ertz playing broken, Sanders hurt, defense that couldn't stop Metcalf and Wilson when it counted, etc. Even if Hurts is the greatest backup QB in the history of the world there was just too much to overcome.

So far they've failed him, but that's the organization that chose him. This organization has always been terrible at evaluating the receiver position. It's the same with corner, which this organization has been horrible at since drafting Sheldon and Lito. It's like they're clueless at drafting anything outside of the numbers, or anything more than ten yards away from the line of scrimmage. 

To be completely frank I think this thread is a joke. Wentz has not in any way shape or form been "failed”. He’s been in the league for 4 years and has been given a roster capable of making the playoffs in each of those years, one of which was a Super Bowl winning roster.
 

The fact that he has yet to compete in more than a few snaps a playoff game for us when we have had multiple since he got here is not his fault, or the fault of the FO. But that fact alone is exactly why we need such a good backup.
 

To be clear, Wentz has got a very talented roster to work with that is very capable of making the playoffs and going on a run. Let’s not pretend that he has carried this team on his back as this is simply not true.

12 minutes ago, Muz86 said:

To be completely frank I think this thread is a joke. Wentz has not in any way shape or form been "failed”. He’s been in the league for 4 years and has been given a roster capable of making the playoffs in each of those years, one of which was a Super Bowl winning roster.

I disagree. Last year Wentz was working with scraps. It was his play down the stretch and Doug's coaching that got us to the play offs.

In 2018 Howie brought in Mike Wallace to replace Torrey Smith but gave us no resilience when Wallace went down. In 2019 the same happened with Desean replacing Wallace and then going down.

They drafted JJAW last year who proceeded to offer us nothing. They used a first round pick on a LT who it is reported the team don't have confidence in going in to his second year. They haven't given Wentz the weapons he clearly needs. Wentz is a QB who wants to push the ball down the field and yet they haven't given him the speed. How can anyone argue they have done more than enough for him when you look at the weapons that Dak and Mahomes have at their disposal? That Drew Brees has, that Tampa have, that Atlanta have, that San Fran have, that even Minnesota had last year. 

17 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I disagree. Last year Wentz was working with scraps. It was his play down the stretch and Doug's coaching that got us to the play offs.

In 2018 Howie brought in Mike Wallace to replace Torrey Smith but gave us no resilience when Wallace went down. In 2019 the same happened with Desean replacing Wallace and then going down.

They drafted JJAW last year who proceeded to offer us nothing. They used a first round pick on a LT who it is reported the team don't have confidence in going in to his second year. They haven't given Wentz the weapons he clearly needs. Wentz is a QB who wants to push the ball down the field and yet they haven't given him the speed. How can anyone argue they have done more than enough for him when you look at the weapons that Dak and Mahomes have at their disposal? That Drew Brees has, that Tampa have, that Atlanta have, that San Fran have, that even Minnesota had last year. 

So Howie should invest in contingency for Deep threat wide receivers as they have been injured the past two seasons, but not contingency for the qb who hasn’t finished any of the last 3 seasons?

For the majority of Wentz career he has had;

- a very solid if unspectacular defense

- a top tier o-line (please someone argue otherwise)

- one of the best tight ends in the game

- another top tier tight end who would comfortably start on most other teams

- solid rb play (again unspectacular, but our running game has been mostly solid the past few years. He’s also had one of the best all around receiving backs in recent history)

- a very good X receiver in Jeffery (his play only really regressed last season, before this he was a very good receiver for us)

Not every position on your roster can be loaded with talent, it’s always a balancing act. This thread makes out that wentz has been put in a David Carr situation with absolute trash all around him. There have been plenty of ocassions where wentz has contributed to our issues and has needed bailed out by the defense.

He is not being failed. Through no fault of his own he is failing us by being unavailable for key situations and games.

As for Dillard, I think you shouldn’t put too much stock in to reports on this. To me for a first year tackle, he filled in very very well for a hall of famer. They would have kept Peters if they had no confidence in him.

4 minutes ago, Muz86 said:

So Howie should invest in contingency for Deep threat wide receivers as they have been injured the past two seasons, but not contingency for the qb who hasn’t finished any of the last 3 seasons?

For the majority of Wentz career he has had;

- a very solid if unspectacular defense

- a top tier o-line (please someone argue otherwise)

- one of the best tight ends in the game

- another top tier tight end who would comfortably start on most other teams

- solid rb play (again unspectacular, but our running game has been mostly solid the past few years. He’s also had one of the best all around receiving backs in recent history)

- a very good X receiver in Jeffery (his play only really regressed last season, before this he was a very good receiver for us)

Not every position on your roster can be loaded with talent, it’s always a balancing act. This thread makes out that wentz has been put in a David Carr situation with absolute trash all around him. There have been plenty of ocassions where wentz has contributed to our issues and has needed bailed out by the defense.

He is not being failed. Through no fault of his own he is failing us by being unavailable for key situations and games.

As for Dillard, I think you shouldn’t put too much stock in to reports on this. To me for a first year tackle, he filled in very very well for a hall of famer. They would have kept Peters if they had no confidence in him.

So firstly, yes they should invest in more speed (and now they finally have). Having 1 speed receiver in today's NFL is nowhere near enough. We've had the slowest offense in the league the last couple of years and it's forced Wentz, or Foles, to be nigh on perfect on every drive. 1 flag, 1 penalty and that's the drive done. And if you've read any of my posts you will see that actually I am more understanding of the Hurts pick.

Forget the defense, that isn't giving Wentz weapons. Funnily enough Dallas give Dak plenty of weapons and arguably have as much talent on defense. Their issue has been coaching.

A very good X receiver in Jeffrey? Very generous, very very generous.

Wentz has been put in a similar position to Carr. Wentz has been playing with trash at times.

There have been too many reports and stories now for us to completely ignore them. Bringing JP back will be another nail in that coffin and it seems like that may happen. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So firstly, yes they should invest in more speed (and now they finally have). Having 1 speed receiver in today's NFL is nowhere near enough. We've had the slowest offense in the league the last couple of years and it's forced Wentz, or Foles, to be nigh on perfect on every drive. 1 flag, 1 penalty and that's the drive done. And if you've read any of my posts you will see that actually I am more understanding of the Hurts pick.

Forget the defense, that isn't giving Wentz weapons. Funnily enough Dallas give Dak plenty of weapons and arguably have as much talent on defense. Their issue has been coaching.

A very good X receiver in Jeffrey? Very generous, very very generous.

Wentz has been put in a similar position to Carr. Wentz has been playing with trash at times.

There have been too many reports and stories now for us to completely ignore them. Bringing JP back will be another nail in that coffin and it seems like that may happen. 

That super slow offense has still consistently been good enough to get in to the playoffs, and in one year they helped win it. Do you truthfully believe that wentz and Foles have simply elevated this team and carried them on their backs to success? To suggest that we’ve failed wentz in my eyes is to suggest that this is what’s happened.

You can’t simply dismiss the defense. It takes more than an offense to win games which is the whole point. I don’t really care if we have a top 5 offense if the defense can’t get off the field.

jeffery is cooked now, but he was a good receiver for us for a couple of years. I think people quickly forget.

wentz in no way, shape or form has been stuck in the same position as David Carr, who was basically pulverised in to retirement with his atrocious o line at Houston. 

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on these points tbh.

They've given Wentz weapons. Those weapons just haven't stayed healthy for two straight years. Remember a year ago when we were salivating over our receiving threats of Jackson, Jeffrey, Agholor, Ertz, and Goedert?

8 hours ago, Phila.:Chip said:

So far they've failed him, but that's the organization that chose him. This organization has always been terrible at evaluating the receiver position. It's the same with corner, which this organization has been horrible at since drafting Sheldon and Lito. It's like they're clueless at drafting anything outside of the numbers or more than ten yards away from the line of scrimmage. 

Almost 20 years since they last drafted a probowl corner and more than 10 years since they drafted a probowl WR. Like, how tf is that is that possible? Clueless, horrible and terrible ain't the words.

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, T-1000 said:

Dallas gets their QB yet another weapon they didnt need.

The Eagles used a premium pick on a backup QB.

One franchise has and is doing everything possible to set their QB up to have success, the other isnt and its a shame.

The idea of using a 2nd round pick for a back up, a guy to use on gadget plays which takes Carson off the field, or to develop for future assets is ridiculous. You invest 100 million and then dont give him every resource possible to succeed?

Not to mention just wait until the shitstorm if Wentz misses a couple of games and Hurts comes in and does well. The media and fans will run with it and guess who takes the brunt of it all, Carson.

Screw Howie and screw Doug. Thanks for 2017 but screw you both.

LMAO.....I can see you bought into all the media dallas hype.....every f------ year it's the same thing, how talented the cowpies are.....and the clueless buy it.

Why didn't the "uber-talented" cowpies win anything last year?  or anything in the past 25 years if they're doing everything possible for success?  The cowpies are have very little quality depth in many positions.  

Stop buying into media driven hype.  

Now, the eagles 2nd round pick is indefensible....but it's not like Hurts is useless.  The pick could have and should have been used on a needed pick.

But your evaluation of what the eagles have for skill players is typically understated.......they have the best TE duo in the NFL.  They have a RB group that is fast, young and versatile.  The WR are in a state of transition......they could be dynamic and dangerous.  Jackson and Goodwin need to stay healthy, JJAW needs to get better and the young WRs need to develop fast.  

25 minutes ago, Hpowner said:

Almost 20 years since they last drafted a probowl corner and more than 10 years since they drafted a probowl WR. Like, how tf is that is that possible? Clueless, horrible and terrible ain't the words.

And it's not through lack of drafting at those positions. They just don't address the position very well it seems. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And it's not through lack of drafting at those positions. They just don't address the position very well it seems. 

Judging your WR drafting by probowl selections is nonsense, for a start, Julio Jones, Larry Fitz probably took up 2 NFC Probowl Slots most of the last 10 years, Megatron only retired in 2016 so he would've been a selection most of the first half of the decade, so thats 3 guys with a decent shot at HOF in the same conference at the same time span, Davante Adams and Michael Thomas have taken up slots the last 3 years, then you've got guys like Bryant and ODB, plus the selection outside consensus top end performers has degenerated into a competition for which franchise fanbase can spam the NFL voting system the most. How many other teams have drafted a probowl WR the last 10 years?

I'm not arguing that we've drafted good WR's by any stretch, but the idea that a probowl selection is any sort of realistic measure of effective drafting is hopelessly flawed.

6 hours ago, Muz86 said:

To be completely frank I think this thread is a joke. Wentz has not in any way shape or form been "failed”. He’s been in the league for 4 years and has been given a roster capable of making the playoffs in each of those years, one of which was a Super Bowl winning roster.
 

The fact that he has yet to compete in more than a few snaps a playoff game for us when we have had multiple since he got here is not his fault, or the fault of the FO. But that fact alone is exactly why we need such a good backup.
 

To be clear, Wentz has got a very talented roster to work with that is very capable of making the playoffs and going on a run. Let’s not pretend that he has carried this team on his back as this is simply not true.

While I'm not on the "team has failed" Carson argument, they tried to give him weapons. They just aren't very good at.

He did however carry the offense on his back weeks 14-17 last year.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Judging your WR drafting by probowl selections is nonsense,

I didn't actually make the probowl comment though to be fair. I merely suggested that they have invested resources at both positions and they haven't found any really good players at either position. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And it's not through lack of drafting at those positions. They just don't address the position very well it seems. 

I think the Eagles really prefer second tier players over the "studs" or potential "studs".  Why? Because these players won't demand a huge contract come pay day or/and are easier to keep happy/manipulate.

1 hour ago, Hpowner said:

I think the Eagles really prefer second tier players over the "studs" or potential "studs".  Why? Because these players won't demand a huge contract come pay day or/and are easier to keep happy/manipulate.

They haven't even found those second tier players though. That's part of the issue. 

Dallas got another receiver to make up for the deficiency of their quarterback.

Eagles got another quarterback to make up for the deficiency of their receivers.

🙄

10 hours ago, Muz86 said:

To be clear, Wentz has got a very talented roster to work with that is very capable of making the playoffs and going on a run. Let’s not pretend that he has carried this team on his back as this is simply not true

I refer you to last season.

Just now, Uscg-green said:

I refer you to last season.

Perhaps our interpretation of what happened last season is somewhat different. He played excellent for the last few games. But his play up till then was spotty, which also contributed to the requirement of having to win out etc.

Im a big big wentz fan and think he will become an elite qb. But to suggest that he’s already there or that this team is nothing without him just doesn’t tie in with reality.