John Kerry and VanHammersly - Iranian stooges

[The_Omega]

No doubt he intends to ride to the Iranian regimes rescue again.  I'm sure that 0bama would have taken Iran's threat to kidnap one of his daughters as a joke.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/zarif-recalls-jokingly-suggesting-kidnapping-obamas-daughter-to-get-nuke-deal-done/

 

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Zarif Recalls ‘Jokingly’ Suggesting Kidnapping Obama’s Daughter To Get Nuke Deal Done

Adam Kredo • April 28, 2021 1:45 pm

 

The 2015 nuclear accord was so favorable to Iran that Foreign Minister Javad Zarif jokingly suggested kidnapping former president Barack Obama’s daughter to ensure the deal was implemented.

In a leaked audio tape first reported by Iran International and independently translated for the Washington Free Beacon, Zarif praises the original nuclear deal as a major win for Tehran at a time when the country was suffering under harsh economic sanctions.

Iran, Zarif said, "scored six goals against the opponent" when the country was down 6 to 0. Zarif also recalls "jokingly" suggesting that he kidnap one of Obama’s daughters and bring her to Iran in order to guarantee the United States signed the deal and made good on its implementation.

Zarif’s private remarks, recorded in March, provide new insight into just how badly Iran needed the nuclear deal, which provided it with billions of dollars in cash windfalls and unwound sanctions that had nearly destroyed the country’s economy. With the country once again teetering on the brink of economic collapse due to the Trump administration’s robust sanctions regime, Zarif is pressuring the Biden administration to guarantee a new round of sanctions relief. His leaked remarks are a sign that Iran’s leadership desires a new deal more than it is publicly letting on.

On the audio tape, Zarif admits "we were naïve" to fully trust America and the Obama administration when it signed the original nuclear accord. Because the former U.S. administration circumvented Congress and never submitted the deal for approval, former president Donald Trump was easily able to cancel it after taking office.

The foreign minister says he should not be blamed by the country’s leadership for Trump’s 2018 decision to cancel the deal and reimpose a bevy of economic sanctions. The comments make clear that Iran’s leadership held Zarif responsible, at least in part, when the deal fell apart. They also highlight the challenges of being the public face for a regime stacked with hardline zealots.

Zarif later offers a dour assessment on the future of U.S.-Iran ties: "I believe Iran and the U.S. will never be friends as long as the Islamic Republic preserves its identity. Never will our issues with America be resolved."

The hardline regime, Zarif explains, cannot maintain stable relations with America while still advocating Israel’s destruction and working to undermine Western interests in the Middle East. Iran must undertake an internal reckoning before it engages in good faith diplomacy with America and the West.

"The identity of the Islamic Republic, we don’t want to solve," Zarif says. "Recognizing the Zionist regime, we don’t want to solve."

The comments, which were supposed to remain private until the current administration led by Iranian president Hassan Rouhani leaves office later this year, have generated discussion about the gulf between so-called moderates and Iran’s authoritarian clerical leadership. While some have said Zarif is being genuine on the tape, others have described it as a cynical ploy to soften the foreign minister’s image and pressure the United States into inking a revamped nuclear deal.

Meanwhile, Iranian military leaders, who according to Zarif exert too much power in the government, renewed threats to destroy Israel in comments made on Wednesday.

"Everyone should know that the Islamic Republic of Iran does not tolerate the military or even civilian presence of the Zionist regime in the region in any way, because their presence is provocative and causes many issues," Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi was quoted as saying in the country’s state-controlled press.

 

 

[VanHammersly]

22 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

No doubt he intends to ride to the Iranian regimes rescue again.  I'm sure that 0bama would have taken Iran's threat to kidnap one of his daughters as a joke.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/zarif-recalls-jokingly-suggesting-kidnapping-obamas-daughter-to-get-nuke-deal-done/

 

 

Nice propaganda dude.  They wrote an article about the Iranian Nuclear Deal and failed to mention that Iran gave up their ability to develop nukes, which was, obviously, the whole point of the deal.

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Zarif’s private remarks, recorded in March, provide new insight into just how badly Iran needed the nuclear deal, which provided it with billions of dollars in cash windfalls and unwound sanctions that had nearly destroyed the country’s economy. 

Yeah, no sheet they needed economic relief.  That was our leverage that got them to make massive concessions.  They got rid of 98% of their enriched uranium and 75% of their centrifuges, making building a nuke impossible.  

But since then Trump gave them a nuke on a silver platter. Good job, idiots.

[Gannan]

Ah yes Iran, the only the only country left in the entire world Trumpbots are willing to be hawkish with 

[The_Omega]

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Former Secretary of State John Kerry informed him that Israel had attacked Iranian interests in Syria at least 200 times, to his astonishment, Mr. Zarif said.

 

[VanHammersly]

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Ah yes Iran, the only the only country left in the entire world Trumpbots are willing to be hawkish with 

They're freaking bi-polar.  They want all our troops home but they want to go full scale war with Iran.  They also want Iran to not acquire a nuke but without putting any deal in place and without firing a shot.  And yet they had their guy in place and all he did was hand them a nuke on a silver platter.  I'm not sure what the best course of action is with Iran anymore thanks to Trump's colossal failure, but I know listening to Republican suggestions is the one thing we shouldn't do.

[Gannan]

Just now, VanHammersly said:

They're freaking bi-polar.  They want all our troops home but they want to go full scale war with Iran.  They also want Iran to not acquire a nuke but without putting any deal in place and without firing a shot.  And yet they had their guy in place and all he did was hand them a nuke on a silver platter.  I'm not sure what the best course of action is with Iran anymore thanks to Trump's colossal failure, but I know listening to Republican suggestions is the one thing we shouldn't do.

Yeah the "No intervention in the middle east!!!!! Well, except Iran. Invade now!" has never made any sense. But neither did their fervent support of socialist programs like paying farmers to not grow anything and taxing the hell out of all goods from overseas. 

[Toastrel]

33 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

Of course you trust Iranians in all things.

 

You would quote Satan and praise him, if it harmed Democrat somewhere.

[EaglesRocker97]

I love watching Van destroy these neocons on Iran. It never gets old.

  

On 4/23/2021 at 8:54 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

Returning to an earlier topic: The sheer idiocy of Trump in regards to Iran is that we are currently in a dramatically worse position, both in terms of security and geopolitical leverage. If you thought the JCPOA was a bad deal, whatever replaces will undoubtedly be less effective, in terms of both the accelerated development of Iran's nuclear program since the the abrogation, as well as the loss of diplomatic leverage and international standing. We are significantly worse off in the Middle East now than we were in 2016 as a direct result of Trump's dimwitted foreign policy. I mention Trump not to distract from Biden but to give the proper context for what he has to work with. Biden will be lucky to simply deter Iranian nuclear advancement; there's certainly no path back to a highly restrictive enrichment program backed by general UN inspections. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

We'll have to lighten some of the economic pressure on Iran ,if that's what's necessary to achieve some kind of pact, however, symbolic it might be. Regardless, we must give into the realism that any 21st century industrialized nation must have access to the most powerfully efficient energy source nature can provide, especially as the increasing scarcity of fossil fuels increases the cost of extraction and refinement to levels that significantly impact the delivery and affordability of power plants and factories. Fission technology is the primary criteria for the independence of any sovereign dominion in current era, because everything relating to commercial power to societal development and military power depends on it. When you think about it, it should be pretty simple to realize that Iran's desire for nuclear power is at least as much about economics as it is national security. The two are bound together. Further economic isolation will obviously only increase their hostility and instability.

Personally, I think a nuclear-capable Iran is well past the point of inevitability by now, so we may as well be ready to deal. Once they actually possess nuclear weapons and subsequently develop an effective delivery capability, we'll be forced to engage Iran with much less authority because it will have effectively achieved the great-power status that it has perpetually craved since the days of the Persian Empire. We'd be smart to send conciliatory messages through our emissaries to an Iranian consulate expressing regret and pledging to negotiate in good faith. In concert with our European allies, there should be a sustained pressure campaign to cajole and entice Iran to re-join the agreement under the original nonproliferation protocol. This is nearly certain to fail, but it could improve the outcome of any future agreement.

 

[VanHammersly]

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I love watching Van destroy these neocons on Iran. It never gets old.

 

The problem with the Republican position on this is that they're such staggeringly bad actors when it comes to foreign policy and unfortunately, they no longer have the interests of the United States at heart.  They have essentially no principals anymore, outside of no abortion and less immigration.  Everything else is completely flexible.  And something like foreign policy, which doesn't directly effect them on a daily basis, is even more flexible.  So they've built this weird amalgam of a position partly based on a course correction from the Bush years and party based on the revenge-based agenda of Trump that's left them essentially frozen and out of ideas.

They wait to see what the Democratic position is and then they take the opposite position.  That reactionary cowardice may make sense when you're talking about cultural issues since in the greater scheme of things, they're largely irrelevant.  But foreign policy is life or death and the decision they make have ripple effects that continue past one administration and one fit of partisan rage.

They hate the nuclear deal in the broadest sense but have never, not once, proposed anything better or even remotely effective.  Sanctions are where Trump went to because they get the best PR bang for your buck without sacrificing anything.  But they're certainly not stopping Iran from acquiring a nuke.  Because that was never their goal.  Their goal with Trump was to ride it out, take no ownership of it and wait until a Dem got into office so that they could oppose him trying to fix it.  It's a pathetic position to take but that's where they are right now.  And unfortunately, it all might be too late.  Any ability to bring them back into the fold may be over and done with and before we know it the game's over, Iran has a nuke and every bit of leverage we ever had was gone and it was all squandered so a talk show host could squeeze his marks out of a little more money.

[The_Omega]

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

 

Yeah, no sheet they needed economic relief.  That was our leverage that got them to make massive concessions.   

 

Wrong thinking like yours is why they are still in power.  Iranians were tired of the hardships wrought by the regime, and were working up to overthrowing them.  0bama/Kerry cut the Iranian citizens off at the knees, and resolidified the regimes grip on power.  Trump again had the regime on the ropes, now Biden/Kerry are fixing to bail them out again.  As for the rest of your Iranian propaganda lies, you've been told this before, Iranian military installations were off limits from inspectors. They gave nothing up.  We gave everything up.  As Zarif says right here:

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In a leaked audio tape first reported by Iran International and independently translated for the Washington Free Beacon, Zarif praises the original nuclear deal as a major win for Tehran at a time when the country was suffering under harsh economic sanctions.

Iran, Zarif said, "scored six goals against the opponent" when the country was down 6 to 0.

 

 

[EaglesRocker97]

Just now, The_Omega said:

Wrong thinking like yours is why they are still in power.  Iranians were tired of the hardships wrought by the regime, and were working up to overthrowing them.

Even if this were true, there is absolutely zero certainty that whatever regime or power vacuum that replaced the current one would be any more amenable to Western interests. Odds are that it would actually be dramatically worse.

[Gannan]

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Wrong thinking like yours is why they are still in power.  Iranians were tired of the hardships wrought by the regime, and were working up to overthrowing them.  0bama/Kerry cut the Iranian citizens off at the knees, and resolidified their grip on power.  As for the rest of your Iranian propaganda lies, you've been told this before, Iranian military installations were off limits from inspectors. They gave nothing up.  We gave everything up.  As Zarif says right here:

 

Of all of your dopey partisan takes, this one is right up there. Not as high up on the list as "Tax hikes are conservative", but definitely up there. 

[The_Omega]

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Even if this were true, there is absolutely zero certainty that whatever regime or power vacuum that replaced the current one would be any more amenable to Western interests. Odds are that it would actually be dramatically worse.

Tell yourself that if it helps.

[EaglesRocker97]

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Tell yourself that if it helps.

I don't need to "tell myself." I can just look at the history of American intervention to know that regime change never works out in our favor.

[The_Omega]

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

I don't need to "tell myself." 

Yet here you are....

[EaglesRocker97]

Just now, The_Omega said:

Yet here you are....

 

Yeah, and I'm telling you, not myself.

[VanHammersly]

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Wrong thinking like yours is why they are still in power.  Iranians were tired of the hardships wrought by the regime, and were working up to overthrowing them.  0bama/Kerry cut the Iranian citizens off at the knees, and resolidified the regimes grip on power.  Trump again had the regime on the ropes, now Biden/Kerry are fixing to bail them out again.  As for the rest of your Iranian propaganda lies, you've been told this before, Iranian military installations were off limits from inspectors. They gave nothing up.  We gave everything up.  As Zarif says right here:

 

First of all, I like the thread name change.

Second of all.......

I called it "reactionary cowardice" in my last post and this is the epitome of it.   The deal was effective, Iran gave up their ability to make a nuke, and then dumb**s Trump tore it up, under the guise of "getting a better deal done"  despite having no ability or understanding of the situation to actually pull that off.  And since then?  All that happened is Iran built up their nuclear program.  He failed.  Good job, idiots.

[VanHammersly]

6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Even if this were true, there is absolutely zero certainty that whatever regime or power vacuum that replaced the current one would be any more amenable to Western interests. Odds are that it would actually be dramatically worse.

It's not even remotely true.  It's just a fantasy Zucker has to tell himself to justify voting for the guy that handed Iran a nuke on a silver platter.

[The_Omega]

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Yeah, and I'm telling you, not myself.

You're not telling me anything I haven't heard a thousand times before.  You're telling yourself nonsense to hide the guilt that your way of thinking bears.

[The_Omega]

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

  The deal was effective, Iran gave up their ability to make a nuke

That's a flat out lie.  Military installations were off limits.  They didn't give anything up, they it.  You can keep telling stories with EaglesRocker97 if you want to, though.

[Toastrel]

Just now, The_Omega said:

That's a flat out lie.  Military installations were off limits.  They didn't give anything up, they it.  You can keep telling stories with EaglesRocker97 if you want to, though.

And you keep on trusting the Iranians.

[VanHammersly]

Just now, The_Omega said:

That's a flat out lie.  Military installations were off limits.  They didn't give anything up, they it.  You can keep telling stories with EaglesRocker97 if you want to, though.

Well put.

And of course they did.  They gave up 98% of their enriched uranium and 75% of their centrifuges.  And then Trump F'd it all up.  Good job, idiots.

[EaglesRocker97]

It's honestly just adorable watching Trumpbots  attempt to express coherent thoughts on a topic as complex as foreign policy.

[lynched1]

444 days. F Iran right off the globe.

[Toastrel]

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

444 days. F Iran right off the globe.

You lick vomit off the floor with that mouth?