I'm fine with the defense this year.  I mean this is a rebuild year with a new DC and new scheme and am still hoping Wallace, Taylor and Avery play better this year so we have less holes.   This year is all about Hurts and the Offence which will dictate how we spend our 3 first round picks next year( Come on Wentz.)

On 5/12/2021 at 8:05 PM, SB52 said:

With a new defensive coordinator 40 is a possibility.

 

On 5/12/2021 at 8:17 PM, manz2821 said:

I'm fine with the defense this year.  I mean this is a rebuild year with a new DC and new scheme and am still hoping Wallace, Taylor and Avery play better this year so we have less holes.   This year is all about Hurts and the Offence which will dictate how we spend our 3 first round picks next year( Come on Wentz.)

I have a degree of hope for Taylor and Wallace. Taylor especially was always viewed as a player who needed time. 

But what worries me is that Hurts was not good when he was chasing the game too much. If the D outright sucks (which it might unless they find at least a serviceable outside corner to play with Slay), then I don't think that helps. 

On 5/11/2021 at 12:27 AM, time2rock said:

IF Dickerson manages to stay healthy (BIG if), that’ll turn out to be a great pick.  Obviously no way to predict the future or place a percentage on the odds he does stay healthy, but I probably wouldn’t be going out on a limb to say it is unlikely.  Sure hope he proves me wrong.  

And I agree I would have used that pick on defense ... even if their top CBs were gone they could have went LB or S.  There were quite a few prospects that should have been rated high on their board (if not then there is something wrong with their ranking/evaluation process).

Well yeah but staying healthy is BIG IF for every Eagles player past few years...We can say the same abouth Smith...IF he stays healthy he can be one of the best WRs in league...but just only IF

On 5/12/2021 at 9:05 PM, SB52 said:

With a new defensive coordinator 40 is a possibility.

Or...we can try to keep Matty Ice on the ground and then of the field with long drives...well...just an Idea that usually doesn't work😅

On 5/10/2021 at 3:51 PM, Next_Up said:

A healthy player can get an injury/issue that changes their career trajectory— buck, Andrews, etc. all players get injuries. Dickerson is a freakish athlete, great attitude and medicine is better than ever. This is the birds getting the metcalf pick right. I want mailata and Dickerson to steamroll in the run game. 

What facts are you basing your assumptions on??? 

Dickerson history includes two ACL tears (one in each knee) and injuries to each ankle as well, one of which required a tightrope procedure, which is what Lane Johnson had before the 2020 season.

Dickerson was completely healthy for just one of his five college seasons:

2016: Played 7 games. Season-ending ACL injury (right knee) at FSU

2017: Played 4 games. Season-ending ankle injury (right ankle) at FSU

2018: Played 2 games. Had severe ankle sprain (left ankle) at FSU

2019: Played and started 13 games at Alabama

2020: Played 12 games. Tore ACL in SEC Championship Game (left knee) at Alabama

You should get Fired as GM for drafting such a risk.... anywhere above a 5th round. 

Selecting him in the second round, with the above history....is irresponsible gambling, especially in a year when you had no chance for the doctors to examine him and throughly test him on the field.

5 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

What facts are you basing your assumptions on??? 

Dickerson history includes two ACL tears (one in each knee) and injuries to each ankle as well, one of which required a tightrope procedure, which is what Lane Johnson had before the 2020 season.

Dickerson was completely healthy for just one of his five college seasons:

2016: Played 7 games. Season-ending ACL injury (right knee) at FSU

2017: Played 4 games. Season-ending ankle injury (right ankle) at FSU

2018: Played 2 games. Had severe ankle sprain (left ankle) at FSU

2019: Played and started 13 games at Alabama

2020: Played 12 games. Tore ACL in SEC Championship Game (left knee) at Alabama

You should get Fired as GM for drafting such a risk.... anywhere above a 5th round. 

Selecting him in the second round, with the above history....is irresponsible gambling, especially in a year when you had no chance for the doctors to examine him and throughly test him on the field.

When you look at it that way, its a terrible decision. but it could be better to have someone like him around the team and playing 6 games per year to someone less influential playing 16 games.

7 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

What facts are you basing your assumptions on??? 

Dickerson history includes two ACL tears (one in each knee) and injuries to each ankle as well, one of which required a tightrope procedure, which is what Lane Johnson had before the 2020 season.

Dickerson was completely healthy for just one of his five college seasons:

2016: Played 7 games. Season-ending ACL injury (right knee) at FSU

2017: Played 4 games. Season-ending ankle injury (right ankle) at FSU

2018: Played 2 games. Had severe ankle sprain (left ankle) at FSU

2019: Played and started 13 games at Alabama

2020: Played 12 games. Tore ACL in SEC Championship Game (left knee) at Alabama

You should get Fired as GM for drafting such a risk.... anywhere above a 5th round. 

Selecting him in the second round, with the above history....is irresponsible gambling, especially in a year when you had no chance for the doctors to examine him and throughly test him on the field.

The Eagles had DK Metcalf off their draft board due to injury concerns. Fans and media won't shut up about "not taking" him --- especially since he seems to be panning out for the team that did. 

You don't get fired as GM for taking risks. Every draft pick is a risk.

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles had DK Metcalf off their draft board due to injury concerns. Fans and media won't shut up about "not taking" him --- especially since he seems to be panning out for the team that did. 

You don't get fired as GM for taking risks. Every draft pick is a risk.

People say this vague word ......INJURY. This is Bull. NOT the same Risk. An Occasional Injury in different areas and Consistently  Injured are 2 different things. Metcalf has the following history: 2 NON Related injuries. Dickerson Injured every single year, and all in his legs. Has not played healthy for more than 1 season. Not the same Risk.

Oct 13, 2018	Non-NFL	Cervical Neck Fracture	Neck injury in 2018 that ended his season in week 7 against Arkansas.
Sep 10, 2016	Non-NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	Broke his foot against Ole Miss and missed rest of season. Not much more info disclosed.

2 hours ago, rrfierce said:

When you look at it that way, its a terrible decision. but it could be better to have someone like him around the team and playing 6 games per year to someone less influential playing 16 games.

We sure could have used a top defensive talent available, instead of taking this risk. Hopefully Dickerson will get operated on, and using the new BORG, Bionic, Superman,  whatever did not exist before, technologies he will be able to finish at least 1 season healthy for us....instead of previously constantly being on IR. 

2 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

People say this vague word ......INJURY. This is Bull. NOT the same Risk. An Occasional Injury in different areas and Consistently  Injured are 2 different things. Metcalf has the following history: 2 NON Related injuries. Dickerson Injured every single year, and all in his legs. Has not played healthy for more than 1 season. Not the same Risk.

Oct 13, 2018	Non-NFL	Cervical Neck Fracture	Neck injury in 2018 that ended his season in week 7 against Arkansas.
Sep 10, 2016	Non-NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	Broke his foot against Ole Miss and missed rest of season. Not much more info disclosed.

A neck injury is a much bigger concern than leg injuries, especially on a lineman. One huge difference between Metcalf and Dickerson is that Metcalf was more of a project since route running wasn't his thing. Dickerson is so good at what he does, people expect him, if healthy, to be one of the best IOL in the NFL. The only "risk" with Dickerson is health. With Metcalf, it was health, build (too little body fat, and muscular physique that will limit his movement when it comes to running routes), how he achieved his build, and finally if he would be effective in the NFL despite limitations as a route runner. Again, with Dickerson, people only want to know when and how long he'll be healthy, because after that there is no "project."

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

A neck injury is a much bigger concern than leg injuries, especially on a lineman. One huge difference between Metcalf and Dickerson is that Metcalf was more of a project since route running wasn't his thing. Dickerson is so good at what he does, people expect him, if healthy, to be one of the best IOL in the NFL. The only "risk" with Dickerson is health. With Metcalf, it was health, build (too little body fat, and muscular physique that will limit his movement when it comes to running routes), how he achieved his build, and finally if he would be effective in the NFL despite limitations as a route runner. Again, with Dickerson, people only want to know when and how long he'll be healthy, because after that there is no "project."

Injury Reserve list From 2015-2020 :

Dickerson  4 out of 5.

Metcalf  2 out of 5.

I wish Dickerson does recover and plays at a high level. But if I was a GM....and I did miss on Metcalf...I would not be crying about it by taking on an even bigger risk.

5 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Injury Reserve list From 2015-2020 :

Dickerson  4 out of 5.

Metcalf  2 out of 5.

I wish Dickerson does recover and plays at a high level. But if I was a GM....and I did miss on Metcalf...I would not be crying about it by taking on an even bigger risk.

It looks like my argument went over your head. Metcalf was a bigger risk because not only was he an injury risk, but he was also a developmental risk. Health is the only question with Dickerson.

 

Oh ... and Howie isn't crying about Metcalf. Only the fans refuse to move on. Honestly, If Metcalf ends up on any other team (one without Russell Wilson), he probably wouldn't even be a household name right now. It was the perfect fit for a guy that can do little else than outrun defenders. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It looks like my argument went over your head. Metcalf was a bigger risk because not only was he an injury risk, but he was also a developmental risk. Health is the only question with Dickerson.

 

Oh ... and Howie isn't crying about Metcalf. Only the fans refuse to move on. Honestly, If Metcalf ends up on any other team (one without Russell Wilson), he probably wouldn't even be a household name right now. It was the perfect fit for a guy that can do little else than outrun defenders. 

Let's not argue about who was the bigger risk. They both were suspects during the draft. Several teams did take Dickerson off their boards for medical reasons. But what bothers me the most is the VALUE. Why take the risk at the top of the second round? If someone can PLEASE explain to me why take a risk at the top of the second round, while you need defensive players and plenty of quality defensive players are available on the board. ?>!?!?!? If this was a selection in the later rounds...Sure I can see the potential outweighing the risk. But at the top of the second...The Value wasted is driving me insane. If this was a 5th round I would be praising the pick. But having such a need at CB and not addressing this need until a 4th round does not make any sense to me.

6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Let's not argue about who was the bigger risk. They both were suspects during the draft. Several teams did take Dickerson off their boards for medical reasons. But what bothers me the most is the VALUE. Why take the risk at the top of the second round? If someone can PLEASE explain to me why take a risk at the top of the second round, while you need defensive players and plenty of quality defensive players are available on the board. ?>!?!?!? If this was a selection in the later rounds...Sure I can see the potential outweighing the risk. But at the top of the second...The Value wasted is driving me insane. If this was a 5th round I would be praising the pick. But having such a need at CB and not addressing this need until a 4th round does not make any sense to me.

The reason teams typically take a risk in the spot they do is because that player isn't projected to last until their next pick, let alone 3 rounds later. I'm not going to sit here and argue that the team didn't need a CB. For months leading up to the draft, I argued that CB2 was our biggest need. In fact, I was content with using the #6 on Surtain, even though that was extremely unpopular on the EMB. One thing that was popular on the EMB heading into the draft was adding a Center at some point during the draft so we could start grooming Kelce's replacement. So, getting the best one in the draft was also widely considered a need. Right now, we still have Kelce, so CB2 was clearly the bigger need. But with Surtain, Horn, Farley, Newsome, and Stokes already off the board, CBs were going higher than they projected and where we were picking, reaching for a CB that may not be the fit Gannon prefers would not be wise --- especially if they felt they still had a shot at some guys they liked later. 

This year probably will be shaky. Having said that, this coach is a VERY much sought after coach who respects the great Philly D's of the past. He is forward thinking, progressive and I believe will become a head coach pretty quickly should his D stand out, like some of the Eagles past D's. The 1st year is always tough- just seeing what you have and what you NEED. But we get to see what his D will look like. It might surprise some of us this year, hopefully. I think this choice of a coach was the best one the Eagles hired. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The reason teams typically take a risk in the spot they do is because that player isn't projected to last until their next pick, let alone 3 rounds later. I'm not going to sit here and argue that the team didn't need a CB. For months leading up to the draft, I argued that CB2 was our biggest need. In fact, I was content with using the #6 on Surtain, even though that was extremely unpopular on the EMB. One thing that was popular on the EMB heading into the draft was adding a Center at some point during the draft so we could start grooming Kelce's replacement. So, getting the best one in the draft was also widely considered a need. Right now, we still have Kelce, so CB2 was clearly the bigger need. But with Surtain, Horn, Farley, Newsome, and Stokes already off the board, CBs were going higher than they projected and where we were picking, reaching for a CB that may not be the fit Gannon prefers would not be wise --- especially if they felt they still had a shot at some guys they liked later. 

I can make a very long list of players I would have preferred at the top of the second round ahead of Dickerson. Statistically at least several of them may turn out a lot better than Dickerson. But what's the point? The draft is over and we Have Dickerson for good or for bad. I will never understand the dichotomy of using analytics to micromanage players during the season and taking gambling high risks during the draft. Two opposite extremes. Very frustrating. Thanks.

 

I'm good with the picks this year. Feel wr's will be good core and sured up for next 3 years, rb too. If Hurts fails this year they'll probably draft qb. If he does good they'll draft for defense and make a run with 3 years. Just like Pederson tenure. 

On 5/10/2021 at 4:21 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

2) You don't draft for need - take the best player on your board.

Your board should be constructed to address any glaring needs, if it's not, get new personnel decision makers.