47 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The 14th Amendment is the most significant change to the Constitution.  It brought the changes that racists are the most bitter about too, which is why Trump spent so much time complaining about it.

 

And, ironically, the 17th might be the second most significant for the opposite reason. I think the racists have a lot more Congressional power now that the trailer-park bigots get to pick a majority of Senators. Democracy has been perfected to the point where the legislature more accurately reflects the despicable character of the electorate.

14 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

And, ironically, the 17th might be the second most significant for the opposite reason. I think the racists have a lot more Congressional power now that the trailer-park bigots get to pick a majority of Senators. Democracy has been perfected to the point where the legislature more accurately reflects the despicable character of the electorate.

The prior system led to a lot of corruption though.  Pick your poison.

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

What do "conservatives" want to reign in exactly?  The whole democracy thing? 

Democracy is crap

Two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner

23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

And, ironically, the 17th might be the second most significant for the opposite reason. I think the racists have a lot more Congressional power now that the trailer-park bigots get to pick a majority of Senators. Democracy has been perfected to the point where the legislature more accurately reflects the despicable character of the electorate.

Agreed the 17th is horrible but not sure it’s because of racists

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The prior system led to a lot of corruption though.  Pick your poison.

So says the history they wrote about it

24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

And, ironically, the 17th might be the second most significant for the opposite reason. I think the racists have a lot more Congressional power now that the trailer-park bigots get to pick a majority of Senators. Democracy has been perfected to the point where the legislature more accurately reflects the despicable character of the electorate.

The coasts don’t have a monopoly on enlightenment. 

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

The privileges and immunities & due process clauses in the 14th Amendment serve as the mechanism by which they apply it. The supremacy clause (Article VI section 2) empowers and justifies the mechanism. That's my understanding of it. 

Yes that’s how "they” apply it but "they” are wrong.  The court didn’t even start doing that until the 1920s, which says something about how the amendment was even constructed

Theres already a privilege and immunity clause in article four with regard to states.  In that case it only means one state can’t discriminate against people from other states.  It doesn’t mean that if one state has a special right that a citizen from that state can visit another state and expect that other state to uphold their own states special rights.

 

2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

So says the history they wrote about it

Muckraking was a big part of the Progressive Era my dude. 

12 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The prior system led to a lot of corruption though.  Pick your poison.

Oh yeah, I'm not suggesting we go back. I do think it's played a role in killing conensus, though, and the general ability of Congress to actually legislate.

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

The coasts don’t have a monopoly on enlightenment. 

I never said they did, but I'll gladly take the kooky wokeness over institutionalized racism and authoritarian power grabs any day.

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I never said they did, but I'll gladly take the kooky wokeness over institutionalized racism and authoritarian power grabs any day.

Far as I know there’s more than one flavor of racism.  There’s the hitleresque kind and then there’s the kind like where your backwoods uncle whose never seen a black person before looks at you funny but otherwise doesn’t care

ignorance <> hate

1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Yes that’s how "they” apply it but "they” are wrong.  The court didn’t even start doing that until the 1920s, which says something about how the amendment was even constructed

Theres already a privilege and immunity clause in article four with regard to states.  In that case it only means one state can’t discriminate against people from other states.  It doesn’t mean that if one state has a special right that a citizen from that state can visit another state and expect that other state to uphold their own states special rights.

 

I get it that you disagree, and that's fine. I also know there's an old saying that goes "we don't know what the Constitution says until the Supreme Court tells us."

2 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Democracy is crap

Two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner

Oh.  Okay.  Well, then hard pass on starting a new Constitutional Convention.

Less than zero interest in a new Constitution drafted by the current gang of legislators and voters. The debate would make the movie Idiocracy look prescient. 

8 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I get it that you disagree, and that's fine. I also know there's an old saying that goes "we don't know what the Constitution says until the Supreme Court tells us."

I’m more of a nullification guy

14 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I get it that you disagree, and that's fine. I also know there's an old saying that goes "we don't know what the Constitution says until the Supreme Court tells us."

Also kind of an odd view in an age where democrats are publicly threatening the court if they rule against them

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Less than zero interest in a new Constitution drafted by the current gang of legislators and voters. The debate would make the movie Idiocracy look prescient. 

Seems like the French do this every 60 years.  Some of their generals just threatened their politicians in an open letter, because they’re just flat out overrun by Muslim fanatics

i don’t see how our country is very far behind them with how the Dems run the border and lord help us if the dollar snaps

sonethings going to give, and I doubt we’re going to have the perfect set of politicians to resolve it

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Less than zero interest in a new Constitution drafted by the current gang of legislators and voters. The debate would make the movie Idiocracy look prescient. 

Sad but true. 

5 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I never said they did, but I'll gladly take the kooky wokeness over institutionalized racism and authoritarian power grabs any day.

Have fun in fear city. 

17 minutes ago, Bill said:

Have fun in fear city. 

Lol, you're out of your element. The past five years have repeatedly proven my assessments of our political climate to be 100% right. I've been out in front of this more than pretty much anyone. Have fun living in delusion, I know it's the comforting thing to do.

4 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Also kind of an odd view in an age where democrats are publicly threatening the court if they rule against them

Did you miss where the [formerly] sitting president directly lobbied the courts to intervene in his behalf and gift him an election?

Reminder: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/scotus-texas-trump/617376/