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NOTW Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Glad to see it a national holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: Glad to see it a national holiday. To me it’s a celebration of the end of slavery in Texas and the U.S. military, who showed up in Texas and said "all people are free.” I’m not entirely convinced it should be a national holiday. The Emancipation Proclamation went into effect on January 1, 1863. Of course it didn’t apply to all states, but it did apply to Texas. They just ignored it there. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: To me it’s a celebration of the end of slavery in Texas and the U.S. military, who showed up in Texas and said "all people are free.” I’m not entirely convinced it should be a national holiday. The Emancipation Proclamation went into effect on January 1, 1863. Of course it didn’t apply to all states, but it did apply to Texas. They just ignored it there. Lol It's significant to black people, signifying they weren't all really free until Juneteenth. It's also a relatively easy show of recognition given the last year of events. And another paid day off (I assume?) at least for government workers. I don't really see the issue against it. 🤷♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, NOTW said: It's significant to black people, signifying they weren't all really free until Juneteenth. It's also a relatively easy show of recognition given the last year of events. And another paid day off (I assume?) at least for government workers. I don't really see the issue against it. 🤷♂️ Yeah, I’ve falsely seen it proclaimed the end of slavery in America, which is wrong. The end of slavery was when the 13th Amendment was ratified in December of 1865 and therefore went into effect in every state (including ones that still allowed slavery). Joe Biden’s home state of Delaware still had slavery in the fall of 1865 after Juneteenth. Delaware finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1901. Kentucky ratified the 13th Amendment in 1976. And Mississippi certified its vote to end slavery in **checks notes** 2013. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dog Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 hours ago, NOTW said: And another paid day off (I assume?) at least for government workers. I don't really see the issue against it. 🤷♂️ It will be yet another way to play, "Spot the racist,". I'm curious to see if Biden will sign it before the 19th. If he does then Sat will officially be the first celebrated Juneteenth. I'm betting he won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Green Dog said: It will be yet another way to play, "Spot the racist,". I'm curious to see if Biden will sign it before the 19th. If he does then Sat will officially be the first celebrated Juneteenth. I'm betting he won't. He's traveling internationally so they said when he gets back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gannan Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Dave Moss said: KZ is probably still in mid fap fest over that episode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzmattzx Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, I’ve falsely seen it proclaimed the end of slavery in America, which is wrong. The end of slavery was when the 13th Amendment was ratified in December of 1865 and therefore went into effect in every state (including ones that still allowed slavery). Joe Biden’s home state of Delaware still had slavery in the fall of 1865 after Juneteenth. Delaware finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1901. Kentucky ratified the 13th Amendment in 1976. And Mississippi certified its vote to end slavery in **checks notes** 2013. I think the last slave that was freed was in 1867, in New Jersey. I had read that somewhere years ago. I will have to see if I can find that again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: I think the last slave that was freed was in 1867, in New Jersey. I had read that somewhere years ago. I will have to see if I can find that again. Really? Because I thought Jersey banned slavery in the late 1700s. New York tried gradual emancipation after banning it in 1804. Which means they still had slavery into the 1820s. edit: looks like Jersey was similar to NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzmattzx Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Dave Moss said: Really? Because Jersey banned slavery in the late 1700s. New York tried gradual emancipation after banning it in 1804. Which means they still had slavery into the 1820s. I read this over 5 years ago, so I don't remember how it worked out. It was eye-opening to read, though, which is why I remember it. Delaware still had slavery after June 19 because it was a Union state, and the Emancipation Proclamation only had effect on the Confederacy. I imagine the other border states also had slavery after the Confederacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: I read this over 5 years ago, so I don't remember how it worked out. It was eye-opening to read, though, which is why I remember it. Delaware still had slavery after June 19 because it was a Union state, and the Emancipation Proclamation only had effect on the Confederacy. I imagine the other border states also had slavery after the Confederacy. Yeah, the border states that didn’t join the Confederacy did still have it. But I think everyone knew slavery was coming to an end eventually regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzmattzx Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, the border states that didn’t join the Confederacy did still have it. But I think everyone knew slavery was coming to an end eventually regardless. I haven't found that thing about a slave released in New Jersey in 1867, but this book says there was a Ute woman owned by a Cheyenne man who died in captivity in 1880: https://books.google.com/books?id=3AZR7KdHhtIC&pg=PA124#v=onepage&q&f=false 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 You know what? Take tomorrow off… 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Yay! Another holiday! I think I'll have a cookout. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I have no problem with it, I would celebrate it if I had the day off as a holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 This went over well 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 13 hours ago, NOTW said: And another paid day off (I assume?) I just heard from my Federal Agency, we have off tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, EagleVA said: I just heard from my Federal Agency, we have off tomorrow. Don’t believe everything the government tells you. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: This went over well meh, I don't think they meant "the sharks freed the slaves" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_TATEr Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 man, breitbart really knocked it out of the park with that story. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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