Tucker Carlson Thread

[Kz!]

So the NSA is spying on a journalist and leaking private emails to other journalists. Do we have fascism yet?

First ishlib to tell me why this is not only not a big deal, but also a good thing wins a prize. 

[toolg]

NSA is not spying on Tucker Carlson (Unless, is he looking to damage any American interests?). They are certainly spying on Putin, a foreign leader that may very well want to harm the United States. That fits the NSA mission. If Tucker wants to interview somebody who is under NSA surveillance, then he walked himself right into the investigation. The leaks are no good. However, Tucker should know his communication with Putin is being monitored, if he still chooses to conduct the interview.

Also, NSA has been spying on Americans since George Bush enacted the Patriot Act, if not before. You'd have to be very naive to think they aren't.

[VanHammersly]

[Kz!]

14 minutes ago, toolg said:

NSA is not spying on Tucker Carlson (Unless, is he looking to damage any American interests?). They are certainly spying on Putin, a foreign leader that may very well want to harm the United States. That fits the NSA mission. If Tucker wants to interview somebody who is under NSA surveillance, then he walked himself right into the investigation. The leaks are no good. However, Tucker should know his communication with Putin is being monitored, if he still chooses to conduct the interview.

Also, NSA has been spying on Americans since George Bush enacted the Patriot Act, if not before. You'd have to be very naive to think they aren't.

Yes, the NSA spies on everyone. Doesn't mean it's a good thing, and it's certainly not a good thing for them to leak the contents of private emails to other journalists. It's actually illegal. But this is the type of thing we've come to expect from our blatantly partisan intelligence agencies. 

14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Hardcore bootlicker has entered the chat.

[Paul852]

Is there anything other than a Fox News segment and a Tweet as evidence?

[Boogyman]

Yeah that didn't even happen.  But if it gets idiots to tune in every night I guess its worth it for him to make this ish up. Gotta keep the cultists and idiots like Ky!s attention somehow.

[vikas83]

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Is there anything other than a Fox News segment and a Tweet as evidence?

It's on a flash drive being sent via UPS.

[Boogyman]

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Is there anything other than a Fox News segment and a Tweet as evidence?

Tucker had a thumbdrive with evidence on it, but his dog ate it.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It's on a flash drive being sent via UPS.

Damn beat me by one minute

[The_Omega]

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Is there anything other than a Fox News segment and a Tweet as evidence?

Maybe the info leaked to the media

https://www.axios.com/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-surveillance-c9952d7c-33d7-45e9-be68-2ba4c3817f98.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

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Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. 

 

 

This explains the recent rush to accuse the previous administration of trying to get into on leaks to the media.

[VanHammersly]

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Maybe the info leaked to the media

https://www.axios.com/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-surveillance-c9952d7c-33d7-45e9-be68-2ba4c3817f98.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

 

This explains the recent rush to accuse the previous administration of trying to get into on leaks to the media.

Not trying.  They spied on journalists who were looking into Russian allegations.  It was confirmed by the DOJ.

[Paul852]

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Not trying.  They spied on journalists who were looking into Russian allegations.  It was confirmed by the DOJ.

Did they also leak the private emails to other jounalists?

[VanHammersly]

Just now, Paul852 said:

Did they also leak the private emails to other jounalists?

It wasn't emails.  It was phone calls.

[VanHammersly]

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Did they also leak the private emails to other jounalists?

They also ordered Apple to turn over the metadata of Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee.  They forced Apple to sign a gag order but it's since expired.  Apple confirmed it.

[Kz!]

35 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Maybe the info leaked to the media

https://www.axios.com/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-surveillance-c9952d7c-33d7-45e9-be68-2ba4c3817f98.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

 

This explains the recent rush to accuse the previous administration of trying to get into on leaks to the media.

These people are naïve enough to believe that it didn't happen. DCotP.

[Alpha_TATEr]

[vikas83]

31 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Did they also leak the private emails to other jounalists?

Carlson claims they did, that he got a call from a reporter saying the communications were leaked. He has neither named that reporter nor provided any evidence to substantiate his claims. He made the claims during an interview with that hard-hitting journalist, Maria Bartiromo, who obviously didn't follow up at all.

If the information was leaked, that's a real problem. But since the claim is being made only by one person, with a history of "exaggeration," it is rather suspect. 

Tucker claims it will "come out soon." So, if all these reporters were leaked these communications, well...clocks ticking.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/561901-tucker-carlson-claims-nsa-leaked-private-emails-to-journalists

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"Yesterday, I learned that — and this is going to come out soon — that the NSA leaked the contents of my emails to journalists in an effort to discredit me. I know because I got a call from one of them saying ‘oh, this is what your email was about,’ ” Carlson said.

 

[Boogyman]

[The_Omega]

14 minutes ago, Kz! said:

These people are naïve enough to believe that it didn't happen. DCotP.

They’re not naive enough to doubt it happened, they’re evil enough to support it.  Except for Paul. I don’t think Paul’s evil, so he might be naive enough to doubt it.

[TEW]

Real talk here...

Setting up an interview with Putin is fine. Using back channels to do so is fine. The NSA intercepting these communications on the back end (ie incidentally through spying on Russians) is fine. Everything up to that point is routine, legal, and yawn inducing.

Where we get into issues and illegality is if members of the NSA unmasked Tucker’s name and then leaked the Emails. That’s illegal. And if they did it in an attempt to silence him, or attack him, or any other political purpose, not only would that be illegal, but it should illicit a non partisan response against anyone involved by every American in this country. It wouldn’t, of course, but it should.

We’ll see what comes of this, but it sure does seem like this is becoming a common tactic by US intelligence, and it should send shivers up all of our spines.

[VanHammersly]

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Real talk here...

Setting up an interview with Putin is fine. Using back channels to do so is fine. The NSA intercepting these communications on the back end (ie incidentally through spying on Russians) is fine. Everything up to that point is routine, legal, and yawn inducing.

Where we get into issues and illegality is if members of the NSA unmasked Tucker’s name and then leaked the Emails. That’s illegal. And if they did it in an attempt to silence him, or attack him, or any other political purpose, not only would that be illegal, but it should illicit a non partisan response against anyone involved by every American in this country. It wouldn’t, of course, but it should.

We’ll see what comes of this, but it sure does seem like this is becoming a common tactic by US intelligence, and it should send shivers up all of our spines.

Except the only source on this part is Tucker Carlson and you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe Tucker Carlson as the sole source here.

So basically, the entire story is routine, legal and yawn inducing without any kind of verification of the wild claims being made by a proven liar.

[vikas83]

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Real talk here...

Setting up an interview with Putin is fine. Using back channels to do so is fine. The NSA intercepting these communications on the back end (ie incidentally through spying on Russians) is fine. Everything up to that point is routine, legal, and yawn inducing.

Where we get into issues and illegality is if members of the NSA unmasked Tucker’s name and then leaked the Emails. That’s illegal. And if they did it in an attempt to silence him, or attack him, or any other political purpose, not only would that be illegal, but it should illicit a non partisan response against anyone involved by every American in this country. It wouldn’t, of course, but it should.

We’ll see what comes of this, but it sure does seem like this is becoming a common tactic by US intelligence, and it should send shivers up all of our spines.

Agree, though I won't judge the unmasking without giving someone a chance to explain the rationale. I don't understand much about the process, but I believe an unmasking request would have to come from the top of the organization. Without knowing the actual nature of the communications, I can't say 100% that the unmasking itself (if it actually happened) was inappropriate. 

If the NSA leaked the emails to reporters? That's horrific. If any credible evidence substantiates that fact, then everyone needs to be investigated.

And to be clear -- random unsubstantiated claims by a TV personality are not credible evidence.

[we_gotta_believe]

Big if true, unfortunately this is the same guy whose lawyers argued in court that any rational viewer should be skeptical of any statements he makes on air. Ya hate to see it.

[Paul852]

21 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

They’re not naive enough to doubt it happened, they’re evil enough to support it.  Except for Paul. I don’t think Paul’s evil, so he might be naive enough to doubt it.

[Alpha_TATEr]

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Agree, though I won't judge the unmasking without giving someone a chance to explain the rationale. I don't understand much about the process, but I believe an unmasking request would have to come from the top of the organization. Without knowing the actual nature of the communications, I can't say 100% that the unmasking itself (if it actually happened) was inappropriate. 

If the NSA leaked the emails to reporters? That's horrific. If any credible evidence substantiates that fact, then everyone needs to be investigated.

And to be clear -- random unsubstantiated claims by a TV personality are not credible evidence.

we all need to let this play out. could it be another far fetched delusion by a known BSer, or an issue that proves to be true and one that must be investigated thoroughly and the book thrown at all involved. 

we'll see. 

[Paul852]

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

we all need to let this play out. could it be another far fetched delusion by a known BSer, or an issue that proves to be true and one that must be investigated thoroughly and the book thrown at all involved. 

We'll know the answer depending on whether or not this thread gets locked.