February 14, 20241 yr On 2/12/2024 at 5:55 PM, lynched1 said: You really should read history. If you did you'd know the US population wanted nothing to do with WWII until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Convenient? Maybe. Would a government who has done and does what it does allow that attack to get what it wants? Don't come to me bleating about dishonoring 400k dead WWII soldiers without being able to acknowledge the fact they were likely lied to. How long before we start removing their statues as well? Goddamn you are an ignorant POS who loves revising history to justify your inadequacies.
February 14, 20241 yr I hope people understand that NATO invoked Article 5 on 9/11 for the first time in it's existence. It was America and her NATO allies that brought the war to Iraq and Afghanastan. We didn't go it alone. So yeah, NATO members have paid their fair share from a war fighting perspective. Trump is probably using this argument to get his hands on some NATO quan, ok dude. I bet if someone asked Trump what NATO members pay he wouldn't know the actual numbers. NATO member have agreed to pay 2% of GDP. Many NATO nations are in compliance with the Treaty. Trump has no case. What's he gonna do kick out Estonia and Albania because their GDP isn't the same as the USA? It's Insane.
February 14, 20241 yr https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_222258.htm?selectedLocale=en At the same time, we should acknowledge that European Allies and Canada also provide significant support to Ukraine, what they support, what they provide, in terms of military, financial, and humanitarian aid actually exceeds what the U.S. is providing. Since the outbreak of the war, the United States has provided around 75 billion U.S. dollars. Other Allies and partners have provided over 100 billion dollars. And measured as share of GDP, most Allies provide more than the United States. In addition, Europe Allies host six million Ukrainian refugees. European Allies were the first to provide tanks and long-range missiles to Ukraine. The first to provide fighter aircraft. And the first to train thousands of Ukrainian soldiers. Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is an investment in our own security. The United States has spent a small fraction of its annual military budget to aid Ukraine. With that, Ukraine has managed to destroy a substantial part of Russia’s combat capacity. Now to my third and final point. We must invest in our defence. NATO will remain central to this effort. Over many years, the United States has criticised NATO Allies for not spending enough on defence. Rightly so. And I commend the U.S. leadership on this important issue. But things have changed. All Allies have increased defence investments. Adding an additional 450 billion dollars. NATO Allies have committed to spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. And many are exceeding that target already. For example, this year Poland will spend more than 4%. No other Ally spends more. With more money, we are boosting our defence industry. NATO creates a market for defence sales. Over the last two years, NATO Allies have agreed to purchase 120 billion dollars’ worth of weapons from U.S. defence companies. Including thousands of missiles to the U.K, Finland and Lithuania, Hundreds of Abrams tanks to Poland and Romania, And hundreds of F-35 aircraft across many European Allied nations – a total of 600 by 2030. From Arizona to Virginia, Florida to Washington state, American jobs depend on American sales to defence markets in Europe and Canada. What you produce keeps people safe. What Allies buy keeps American businesses strong. So NATO is a good deal for the United States.
February 14, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: I hope people understand that NATO invoked Article 5 on 9/11 for the first time in it's existence. It was America and her NATO allies that brought the war to Iraq and Afghanastan. We didn't go it alone. So yeah, NATO members have paid their fair share from a war fighting perspective. Trump is probably using this argument to get his hands on some NATO quan, ok dude. I bet if someone asked Trump what NATO members pay he wouldn't know the actual numbers. NATO member have agreed to pay 2% of GDP. Many NATO nations are in compliance with the Treaty. Trump has no case. What's he gonna do kick out Estonia and Albania because their GDP isn't the same as the USA? It's Insane. It’s all so unimaginably stupid that of course it’s a Trump talking point. The amount they spend has absolutely no bearing on what we spend, unless Trump were proposing that we spend less on our military, which of course he isn’t and never has. So his plan is to let Russia march across Europe so that we can…not save a dollar. Good plan.
February 14, 20241 yr The guy who’s pretending like he wants to save on military spending: He has championed two defense budgets that blew past $700 billion, and is preparing to sign a third. The bill that Trump signed in 2018 locked in the largest budget the Pentagon had ever seen, only to top it the following year.
February 14, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It’s all so unimaginably stupid that of course it’s a Trump talking point. The amount they spend has absolutely no bearing on what we spend, unless Trump were proposing that we spend less on our military, which of course he isn’t and never has. So his plan is to let Russia march across Europe so that we can…not save a dollar. Good plan. Our defense industry and economy depends of foreign sales of military equipment to NATO countries to the tune of $450 Billion. So do thousands of American jobs. NATO is good for the American Economy and Trump wants to destroy it. It's insane.
February 14, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, MidMoFo said: There was a NSDAP-run propaganda campaign going on that was traced back to 1933 with the intention to keep America out of any "trouble” in Europe. It also worked to present a positive view on Hitler and Germany as a whole. Lots of support for an America First movement and freezing immigration with a border wall going on at the time as well. Fascist propaganda, back then, liked to use existing cracks of division by fueling them into larger cracks of division to make a democratic country dysfunctional to a point they’re unable to respond effectively to a threat. You should read up on some of the findings of O. John Rogge, an attorney for the US Department of Justice. He had a case called the Great Sedition Trial that fizzled out and got swept under the rug when the judge died of a heart attack and the war had been won, there were some high profile congressmen involved, but not indicted. Of course, we would find out afterwards, a lot of Germany’s economic rebuild in the 1930’s (the case for Hitler receiving Man of the Year) could be attributed to the Jews being removed from the workforce via concentration camp or death. Which opened up job opportunities and new business ownership for the aryan Germans, while also building the German war machine. Germans could overlook the treatment of the Jews easier because they themselves were prospering. 1. There was also the toll of WWI just 25 years earlier affecting sentiment. 2. I'll read up on that. I dig obscure history. 3. France in general was relatively fine with Hitler during the occupation. The resistance part of the story was played up afterwards.
February 14, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Goddamn you are an ignorant POS who loves revising history to justify your inadequacies. Not near as effective as you are of revising the present to justify yours. 😉
February 14, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You should try it once. Not as difficult as you may have been lead to believe. Kids all over globe are doing it.
February 14, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, lynched1 said: You should try it once. Not as difficult as you may have been lead to believe. Kids all over globe are doing it. Kids all over globe write good too or only read good?
February 14, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Kids all over globe write good too or only read good? Behave avatard. 🤫
February 15, 20241 yr Game over, man. Tuck has gone radical! What drove him over the edge? Shopping in Russia.
February 15, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Game over, man. Tuck has gone radical! What drove him over the edge? Shopping in Russia. Republicans should definitely move there.
February 15, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Game over, man. Tuck has gone radical! What drove him over the edge? Shopping in Russia. WTF? You really can’t make this stuff up!
February 15, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: The viewers of this "show" have to be among the dumbest people in existence. They post here every day and prove it.
February 15, 20241 yr I am frankly amazed they have computers and can manage internet access. I suppose I should not be, toddlers order things off Amazon.
February 15, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: They post here every day and prove it. PA has more than our fair share. Most I know are working and doing pretty good so I think they are mostly talk and will not risk losing their big trucks and hunting cabins.
February 15, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: The viewers of this "show" have to be among the dumbest people in existence. stop calling out @lynched1& @Procus. enough already.
February 15, 20241 yr 44 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: stop calling out @lynched1& @Procus. enough already. He can't be calling out anyone with a mouthful of chub.
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