1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

need anymore reason to not let your kids sniff model glue ? 

At least they arent rioting and destroying property

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

At least they arent rioting and destroying property

their kind sure did a great job remodeling the capitol though. 

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

their kind sure did a great job remodeling the capitol though. 

"Remodeling tour" That's a new one 

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Walker would have thought Fetterman was an orc or something and tried to kill him on stage while screaming "I'm going to abort you like one of my children."

if he did that he'd probably gain a point among the Trumplicans. 

5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Relative numbers only tell part of the tale

what was the gross difference and what was turnout

242.5k 

Fetterman got about the same number of votes that Casey got in the 2018 blue wave. 

Oz got about 300k more than the Republican from 2018 (Barletta, who was awful).

Overall relatively high turnout - higher than 2018 by about 5%.

14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

242.5k 

Fetterman got about the same number of votes that Casey got in the 2018 blue wave. 

Oz got about 300k more than the Republican from 2018 (Barletta, who was awful).

Overall relatively high turnout - higher than 2018 by about 5%.

Useful info thanks

paints a more complete picture

7 hours ago, Paul852 said:

Republicans convinced themselves Hilary was the worst human being to ever exist and then turned around and voted for Trump. Obviously massive hypocrites.

I guess they can still convince themselves that she has had people killed though.

Hillary convinced everyone she was the worst human being to ever exist and succeeded impressively.

6 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Hillary convinced everyone she was the worst human being to ever exist and succeeded impressively.

See. Hypocrites.

9 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

 

🙋

56 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

See. Hypocrites.

Nah she had a track record

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

242.5k 

Fetterman got about the same number of votes that Casey got in the 2018 blue wave. 

Oz got about 300k more than the Republican from 2018 (Barletta, who was awful).

Overall relatively high turnout - higher than 2018 by about 5%.

Although it now occurs to me that it needs to factor in population growth

18 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah she had a track record

Yep, and so did Trump.

12 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I'd argue that's a pretty sizable margin and in a swing state like PA during a midterm with a Dem as POTUS.  Much more than I expected after the debate. 

Considering how early PA is allowed to vote, the debate was way less of a factor because it didn’t happen until well into the early voting period. Don’t think it would have swung the election the other way, but the margin of victory would have been smaller. 

The main takeaway was if the GOP hadn’t put up an animal abusing, Cowboy fan snake oil salesman from NJ this was a winnable race. 

11 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Yep, and so did Trump.

Not politically

15 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Considering how early PA is allowed to vote, the debate was way less of a factor because it didn’t happen until well into the early voting period. Don’t think it would have swung the election the other way, but the margin of victory would have been smaller. 

The main takeaway was if the GOP hadn’t put up an animal abusing, Cowboy fan snake oil salesman from NJ this was a winnable race. 

Yeah but conversely, if Fetterman doesn’t have a stroke, he absolutely crushes either Oz or any other Republican for that matter. 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Yeah but conversely, if Fetterman doesn’t have a stroke, he absolutely crushes either Oz or any other Republican for that matter. 

Very possible. Frankly, out of the two choices they both sucked. Lurch just sucked much less. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

Very possible. Frankly, out of the two choices they both sucked. Lurch just sucked much less. 

Fetterman was a great candidate pre-stroke. He’s further left than I’d prefer but the guy played retail politics and communicated his message really well. 

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Fetterman was a great candidate pre-stroke. He’s further left than I’d prefer but the guy played retail politics and communicated his message really well. 

I’m a moderate conservative. So no, I can not call a far lefty like Fetterman "great.” Sorry.

Just now, Outlaw said:

I’m a moderate conservative. So no, to me I can not call a far lefty like Fetterman "great.” Sorry.

He just is. I’m not talking about the ideological spectrum, I’m talking about political skill. He outperformed Biden in rural areas and that was after a debilitating stroke. He has appeal in a way very few Dems do. It’s pretty amazing. 

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

He just is. I’m not talking about the ideological spectrum, I’m talking about political skill. He outperformed Biden in rural areas and that was after a debilitating stroke. He has appeal in a way very few Dems do. It’s pretty amazing. 

You don’t think the stroke and him dressing like a hobo helped in Pensyltucky?

8 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Although it now occurs to me that it needs to factor in population growth

PA population only grew 2.4% between 2010 and 2020.

The biggest different IMHO is that the 18-29 group voted significantly more than their historical averages across the nation. I'm not sure there are solid demographic numbers available for PA yet, but this was the national trend. It's worth noting that between 2010 and 2020 the fastest growing age group was 65+, who now make up 19% (up from 15% in 2010) of the state population. 

Dobbs and republicans nominating crazy seems to be the obvious answer. It may even be the correct one at least in the sense that those may prove to be the dominant reasons.

Voters aren't enamored with Biden and the Democrats, but they look at Republicans and don't feel comfortable giving them the keys to the car.

10 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

He just is. I’m not talking about the ideological spectrum, I’m talking about political skill. He outperformed Biden in rural areas and that was after a debilitating stroke. He has appeal in a way very few Dems do. It’s pretty amazing. 

Nah more so that Oz was a fraud. Fetterman does at least come off as genuine. But great?? Hardly

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

PA population only grew 2.4% between 2010 and 2020.

The biggest different IMHO is that the 18-29 group voted significantly more than their historical averages across the nation. I'm not sure there are solid demographic numbers available for PA yet, but this was the national trend. It's worth noting that between 2010 and 2020 the fastest growing age group was 65+, who now make up 19% (up from 15% in 2010) of the state population. 

Dobbs and republicans nominating crazy seems to be the obvious answer. It may even be the correct one at least in the sense that those may prove to be the dominant reasons.

Voters aren't enamored with Biden and the Democrats, but they look at Republicans and don't feel comfortable giving them the keys to the car.

Need growth in the age ranges yeah. Any growth sub 18 is obviously irrelevant.

also agree is was that Oz was a repulsive character

 

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Need growth in the age ranges yeah. Any growth sub 18 is obviously irrelevant.

also agree is was that Oz was a repulsive character

 

Demographic changes by age bracket is important, but I wouldn't expect the change there between 2018 + 2020 and 2022 to be that significant.

Both Biden and Fetterman gained on Trump in rural areas compared to 2016. Republicans are still winning those areas - many handily - but the margins were cut 3-6% between Biden and Fetterman from 2016 levels. 

What's most surprising to me is that Fetterman was strong in the Philly burbs. He won Bucks even, which was a surprise to me. I figured it'd be close to 50/50. I think that's Dobbs.