6 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

My brothers are bot Gen X and anecdotally I've seen them and their friends both get slightly more conservative I'd say.  But at a very slow rate and pretty much everyone is still fairly liberal.  

My cohort is mostly following the millennial pathway, but that's somewhat self-selecting given a lot of my friends are from med school at this point. Young docs trend liberal nowadays.

They will get there they are just thinking and acing like children longer. Just delayed adulting

On 1/1/2023 at 12:28 PM, BBE said:

The military oath is to support and defend the Constitution, not the government.  

right.  That’s like saying the pledge of allegiance is to the flag, not the government.  I’m pretty sure in both cases it’s implied.

9 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

Political "conservatism” as it exists now bears little resemblance to the conservatism of previous generations.  It really doesn’t have much to offer anyone who isn’t already inclined to share in their anger and largely contrived grievances.

This. You can’t equate the current GOP with traditional conservatism. It is nowhere close. 

12 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

They will get there they are just thinking and acing like children longer. Just delayed adulting

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the right being bat-crap crazy in large numbers.

19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the right being bat-crap crazy in large numbers.

Or being spoon fed that exagerrated nonsense…

18 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

Political "conservatism” as it exists now bears little resemblance to the conservatism of previous generations.  It really doesn’t have much to offer anyone who isn’t already inclined to share in their anger and largely contrived grievances.

It's perfectly natural for shifts in "conservatism" and "liberalism" as political tents morph over time.  The Republican tent is simply a weird one right now with two wings at direct odds over interventionism and global trade.  The same party has the biggest hawks against Russia and its biggest sympathizers.  They are protectionists with a disdain for unions.  Those are some really odd marriages.

55 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Or being spoon fed that exagerrated nonsense…

The bat ish craziness of the far right is far from spoon fed or exaggerated. It’s right out in the open for all to see. I wouldn’t expect someone who defends Christian nationalist to understand.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Or being spoon fed that exagerrated nonsense…

your head's stuck in the sand.

"the right wing being bat-crap insane is just a media narrative" 

 

 

 

I'm sure this is going to be described as gamesmanship. But the reality is that the right is held hostage by its nuts. 

Meanwhile left-wingnuts fell in line under Biden.

22 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Mine split into two factions.  One has gone full clown show liberal.  In the other most of the men have gone conservative (some of them still dress the part of an old school socialist but they are full of it, actions speak louder)  while the women have stayed rationally center left.  In other words one group is acting like millennials and the other is curving classically. 

Too clarify. My friend group was much more conservative in youth. All registered Rs but the old fiscally conservative socially liberal. Just distancing ourselves from current crap show

The concerning/different part about this is that millennials aren't just rejecting the current bat ish insane GOP, they are staying more liberal. You'd think/hope that as they aged, they'd push the Democrats towards the middle; basically, stay registered Dems but start adopting more adult positions. Instead, they seem to be getting more and more liberal and, well, frankly unhinged on social issues while remaining dangerously naïve on economic issues.  

It's what we get for raising a generation of spoiled, self-absorbed, entitled babies. The boomers last true gift (and very old Gen Xers). This is what happens when parenting goes to hell.

9 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The concerning/different part about this is that millennials aren't just rejecting the current bat ish insane GOP, they are staying more liberal. You'd think/hope that as they aged, they'd push the Democrats towards the middle; basically, stay registered Dems but start adopting more adult positions. Instead, they seem to be getting more and more liberal and, well, frankly unhinged on social issues while remaining dangerously naïve on economic issues.  

It's what we get for raising a generation of spoiled, self-absorbed, entitled babies. The boomers last true gift (and very old Gen Xers). This is what happens when parenting goes to hell.

I'd say it's more what happens when the conservative party goes full lunatic.  The whole "get more conservative as you age" hasn't changed.  But beyond being basically just an empty void to scream about social issues, the Republican Party isn't even fiscally conservative anymore.  So I'm not sure how they even scratch that itch in this day and age.

Not to mention, Trump was literally the worst thing that ever could have happened to the Republican party because not only was he god-awful and almost exclusively catered to an old crowd, but he demanded that everything be political and he distilled everything down to a binary choice.  So, young people looked at that and they didn't just casually choose a side, they full bought into their side in a way they didn't before.  It's why it's going to be particularly hard to turn that generation.

10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I'd say it's more what happens when the conservative party goes full lunatic.  The whole "get more conservative as you age" hasn't changed.  But beyond being basically just a empty void to scream about social issues, the Republican Party isn't even fiscally conservative anymore.  So I'm not sure how they even scratch that itch in this day and age.

Not to mention, Trump was literally the worst thing that ever could have happened to the Republican party because not only was he god-awful and almost exclusively cater to an old crowd, but he demanded that everything be political and he distilled everything down to a binary choice.  So, young people looked at that and they didn't just casually choose a side, they full bought into their side in a way they didn't before.  It's why it's going to be particularly hard to turn that generation.

I don't disagree, but the disappointing part is that they aren't pushing the Democrats to more moderate positions ---just the opposite.

Having politics be a tribal blood sport has clearly not helped.

21 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I don't disagree, but the disappointing part is that they aren't pushing the Democrats to more moderate positions ---just the opposite.

Having politics be a tribal blood sport has clearly not helped.

I still think that has to change in time. People still moderate with age, no matter what the political landscape is.  It just puts it off a little longer.

But none of that means they'll necessarily switch to the right.  If Republicans stay in this authoritarian mode, they may just stay with the Dems and push them towards the center.

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"the right wing being bat-crap insane is just a media narrative" 

 

 

 

I'm sure this is going to be described as gamesmanship. But the reality is that the right is held hostage by its nuts. 

Meanwhile left-wingnuts fell in line under Biden.

This is lost on the far right. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

The concerning/different part about this is that millennials aren't just rejecting the current bat ish insane GOP, they are staying more liberal. You'd think/hope that as they aged, they'd push the Democrats towards the middle; basically, stay registered Dems but start adopting more adult positions. Instead, they seem to be getting more and more liberal and, well, frankly unhinged on social issues while remaining dangerously naïve on economic issues.  

It's what we get for raising a generation of spoiled, self-absorbed, entitled babies. The boomers last true gift (and very old Gen Xers). This is what happens when parenting goes to hell.

I share the same concern but I think a large part of this is the delayed wealth growth among that generation.  So much of the conservative shift that has traditionally come with age is tied to the rational self interest of individuals who have grown their income and wealth to a point where they personally benefit from conservative policies as well as life lessons you learn while maturing through that growth.  People that never owned a home or were ever taxed at a high income rate will never truly understand the negative impacts of fiscal policies affecting people who do.  If you've never been in anything but the lower income brackets, everyone seems rich to you.  I think/hope over time, that will change as more generational wealth shifts to millennials from their boomer parents and they increase their income as they get deeper into their careers.   I don't think they'll ever be truly conservative but more moderate than the far left.

4 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

The bat ish craziness of the far right is far from spoon fed or exaggerated. It’s right out in the open for all to see. I wouldn’t expect someone who defends Christian nationalist to understand.  

Ok socialist

59 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I don't disagree, but the disappointing part is that they aren't pushing the Democrats to more moderate positions ---just the opposite.

Having politics be a tribal blood sport has clearly not helped.

Its their first time feeling like they are winning something

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I don't disagree, but the disappointing part is that they aren't pushing the Democrats to more moderate positions ---just the opposite.

Having politics be a tribal blood sport has clearly not helped.

They're not being given a sane alternative. Leadership matters, and there's not been a fiscally conservative party in Washington for over a generation. 

Republicans decided they needed to keep the social spending up or they might lose the boomers. Now they're as addicted to spending as Democrats, but want to deficit spend to pay for it.

Probably easier to elect Jeffries than McCarthy according to DUI boy.

Matt Gaetz said I don't care if we go to plurality and we elect Hakeem Jeffries."

4 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The concerning/different part about this is that millennials aren't just rejecting the current bat ish insane GOP, they are staying more liberal. You'd think/hope that as they aged, they'd push the Democrats towards the middle; basically, stay registered Dems but start adopting more adult positions. Instead, they seem to be getting more and more liberal and, well, frankly unhinged on social issues while remaining dangerously naïve on economic issues.  

It's what we get for raising a generation of spoiled, self-absorbed, entitled babies. The boomers last true gift (and very old Gen Xers). This is what happens when parenting goes to hell.

It's very easy to blame the GOP's craziness for driving millennials away, but there are also significant financial reasons why millennials etc aren't becoming more conservative. They work longer hours than non millennials, achieved in average a higher level of education, and yet have a lower wages relative to previous generations at their age with lower rates of home ownership and poorer wealth accumulation. You can point to differences in values and goals of you want but that hasn't been established in the data either.

Can't blame a whole generation for not buying into a belief system that's screwing them while calling them lazy/spoiled. 

Did you even read the studies?

 

The skewing of hours worked is due to millennial being in prime working years and not having a huge retired population. And the New American study makes some interesting conclusions. 

 

The reason millennials or any wealth redistributionist exists is they covet.

17 minutes ago, BBE said:

Did you even read the studie

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

I tabbed out to continue reading and didn't finish the first statement?

1 hour ago, BBE said:

Did you even read the studies?

 

The skewing of hours worked is due to millennial being in prime working years and not having a huge retired population. And the New American study makes some interesting conclusions. 

 

The reason millennials or any wealth redistributionist exists is they covet.

Did you?  

The idea that millennials "covet" or frankly have any major difference in work views simply isn't demonstrated any data (see the meta-analysis). And the wealth accumulation disparity was calculated compared to other generations at the same period in their youth. On a population scale millennials objectively make less despite higher education levels than previous generations. If you want to argue the hours difference is career point fine, but show me data that they work less than gen X or boomers did at their age. Show me data on how they "covet" whatever TF that means. Show me something to back that up, because all we've heard are the same old tired "they're lazy/entitled/spoiled/don't want to work" phrases without any actual hard evidence to back it up. They're tired tropes regurgitated for pretty much every generation.