July 13, 20214 yr States should follow Colorado's lead. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Colorado is the latest state to adopt the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which seeks to essentially abolish the Electoral College without going through the near-impossible task of amending the U.S. Constitution. Coloradans on Nov. 3. approved the measure 52.1% to 47.8%, according to preliminary results.
July 13, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: States should follow Colorado's lead. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Colorado is the latest state to adopt the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which seeks to essentially abolish the Electoral College without going through the near-impossible task of amending the U.S. Constitution. Coloradans on Nov. 3. approved the measure 52.1% to 47.8%, according to preliminary results.
July 13, 20214 yr it will be interesting when Trumplican State Representatives strip the power away from Election Officials and refuse to Certify results or overturn the results to favor their Candidate regardless of the will of the citizens of the State. 2022. Coming your way.
July 13, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Snow Flake can't make an argument. I guess the Citizens of Colorado are all members, right?
July 13, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: States should follow Colorado's lead. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Colorado is the latest state to adopt the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which seeks to essentially abolish the Electoral College without going through the near-impossible task of amending the U.S. Constitution. Coloradans on Nov. 3. approved the measure 52.1% to 47.8%, according to preliminary results. I can't wait to see a Republican win the District of Columbia, which tends to vote about 90% Democratic, because the Republican gets the popular vote by a million people. That will put an end to the NPVIC.
July 13, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: it will be interesting when Trumplican State Representatives strip the power away from Election Officials and refuse to Certify results or overturn the results to favor their Candidate regardless of the will of the citizens of the State. 2022. Coming your way. What I believe is ultimately coming down the road is basically a return to the days of state legislatures choosing Electors. The Constitution actually sanctions this. There's really nothing that could be done to stop it, aside from amending the Constitution.
July 13, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: What I believe is ultimately coming down the road is basically a return to the days of state legislatures choosing Electors. The Constitution actually sanctions this. There's really nothing that could be done to stop it outside of amending the Constitution. The joint session could object to the electors, but that will all come down to who is in the majority.
July 13, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It's pretty easy to deduce when you look at what they are targeting. Where did I act offended? you give yourselves far too much credit. stop thinking you know better. if you truly believe in the system, then you must play within the system to challenge it, as Vikas has shown yet again.
July 13, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: States should follow Colorado's lead. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Colorado is the latest state to adopt the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which seeks to essentially abolish the Electoral College without going through the near-impossible task of amending the U.S. Constitution. Coloradans on Nov. 3. approved the measure 52.1% to 47.8%, according to preliminary results. this is exactly against our foundational principles.
July 13, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: if you truly believe in the system, then you must play within the system to challenge it, as Vikas has shown yet again. He makes a good point, although I don't know how much faith one can put in SCOTUS these days. I'll admit, though, some of their recent rulings have surprised me.
July 13, 20214 yr Just now, ToastJenkins said: this is exactly against our foundational principles. Right and so is State Representatives refusing to certify the vote against the Will of the Citizens of the State or overturning election results to support the losing Candidate. Yeah, because electing the President by whoever wins the majority of the Popular Vote is so anti-democratic.
July 13, 20214 yr What's truly amazing is, yet again, Democrats are proving to be their own worst enemy because they are utterly incapable of seeing the larger picture. Now, I would hate nothing more than Texas turning blue, but that is the Holy Grail for Democrats. If TX goes blue, no Republican can win the Presidency again (absent a radical shift in agenda). So, the overriding goal should be for Democrats every action to be designed to turn TX blue for the long term. What's one way to make damn sure that TX doesn't turn blue anytime soon? Passing HR1, or another Federal bill that usurps Texas' right to regulate its own elections. Democrats need to know their audience -- Texans are uniquely proud to be Texans. The thing that galvanizes them most is federal overreach into their affairs -- this is why they have their own electricity grid. It's the whole "don't mess with Texas" thing. So, be idiots and pass a federal law -- that will play right into GOP hands and allow them to whip up that sentiment to keep Texas red for a generation. The smarter play? Let them pass the law and go to court. Do robust discovery on the intent of the lawmakers -- I GUARANTEE that some of these idiots have emails/memos/texts that talk about stopping Latinos from voting. Get the law overturned and use this info to help drive Latino turnout and you just turned Texas blue in the next couple cycles. Stop trying to win the battle and focus on winning the war.
July 13, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's not even that hard. Let the TX law pass, then have the DOJ go to court and sue to block it for being discriminatory based on race. That allows you to conduct discovery of all the GOP legislators to examine intent. I am 100% certain one of these idiots sent an email/text saying the point is to stop minorities from voting. Law overturned and cretins exposed. It's not that difficult. Cool idea, except the legal system sometimes takes awhile.
July 13, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Right and so is State Representatives refusing to certify the vote against the Will of the Citizens of the State or overturning election results to support the losing Candidate. Yeah, because electing the President by whoever wins the majority of the Popular Vote is so anti-democratic. SPOILER ALERT -- the United States of America isn't a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic. I have no issue with the NPVIC, other than it will never happen because it won't pass in the places it needs to (TX, FL, etc.). But if states want to use the national popular vote to award electors, so be it. That's their right. Want to really fix the system? Stop the winner take all BS for electoral votes. That isn't required by the Constitution or law.
July 13, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: How much elaboration do you need on why voting rights matter? i'm saying take it easy on the terrorist/traitor label. you don't have to like or agree with anything a states does, but at the end of the day it's their choice. for the record, i have zero issue with id being required to vote. neither should anyone else. i havent looked into the rest of the bill to really comment on the other details, but im sure there's debate to be had.
July 13, 20214 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Cool idea, except the legal system sometimes takes awhile. As it should. The system is designed to be deliberate and give deference to the lawmakers. The DOJ could ask for an injunction to stop the law from going into effect -- that happens fast.
July 13, 20214 yr Tbh Texas has an egregious history of voter suppression. Texas used to have all-white primaries before it was outlawed by the Supreme Court:
July 13, 20214 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: i'm saying take it easy on the terrorist/traitor label. you don't have to like or agree with anything a states does, but at the end of the day it's their choice. It was intended to be somewhat hyperbolic, but your point is well-taken. I just don't like the strong-arm tactics here.
July 13, 20214 yr I could actually see voter ID being a boon to Democrats, because it would remove the #1 source of the right's arguments attacking our electoral process. If we had fair ID laws in place and Republicans were still losing at the ballot box, they'd have nothing else to grasp onto about "election integrity." So, as long as the ID is universally accessible, I say give them what they want, then laugh when it still doesn't fix their central problem of having unpopular policies.
July 13, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I could actually see voter ID being a boon to Democrats, because it would remove the #1 source of the right's arguments attacking our electoral process. If we had fair ID laws in place and Republicans were still losing at the ballot box, they'd have nothing else to grasp onto about "election integrity." So, as long as the ID is universally accessible, I say give them what they want. It won’t be suspicious at all when DMVs in certain areas close down.
July 13, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: It won’t be suspicious at all when DMV’s in certain areas close down. 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I could actually see voter ID being a boon to Democrats, because it would remove the #1 source of the right's arguments attacking our electoral process. If we had fair ID laws in place and Republicans were still losing at the ballot box, they'd have nothing else to grasp onto about "election integrity." So, as long as the ID is universally accessible, I say give them what they want, then laugh when it still doesn't fix their central problem of having unpopular policies. It needs to be free, or to me it is akin to a poll tax. As for availability, maybe allow people to bring their birth certificate/social security card/etc. on voting day and be issued one. But you have all year (or 4 years for a Presidential election) to get one. Some modicum of effort isn't too much to ask.
July 13, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Cool idea, except the legal system sometimes takes awhile. High time preference highly correlated with low intelligence. Checks out once again.
July 13, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: It needs to be free, or to me it is akin to a poll tax. As for availability, maybe allow people to bring their birth certificate/social security card/etc. on voting day and be issued one. But you have all year (or 4 years for a Presidential election) to get one. Some modicum of effort isn't too much to ask. One issue here is that some people who've lost their birth certificate/SS card can have a very difficult time obtaining an ID, particularly elderly people born in rural areas who may not be able to obtain hospital records.
July 13, 20214 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: One issue here is that some people who've lost their birth certificate/SS card can have a very difficult time obtaining an ID, particularly elderly people born in rural areas who may not be able to obtain hospital records. Poor decisions have consequences. My parents immigrated from India, and my father's birth records were destroyed during the partition (he was born in what is now Pakistan and moved as a toddler, lost family members). My in-laws are ethnically Chinese but born in Cambodia -- they escaped and came to this country as refugees from the Killing Fields. If they can get a license, I'm not crying a river for people born here.
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