BTW. The public comment section of this FDA meeting is a hoot. Bunch of antivax crazies passing themselves off as doctors are calling in and saying the FDA must not approve boosters. The moron that's talking right now is claiming covid vaccines are killing more people than they save. 

14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"every stat that torpedoes my argument is a lie"

@Procus responding to your post

14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"every stat that torpedoes my argument is a lie"

What are the symptoms of polio?

Up to 95 percent of people infected with polio have no symptoms. However, infected persons without symptoms can still spread the virus and cause others to develop polio. About four to five percent of infected people have minor symptoms such as fever, muscle weakness, headache, nausea and vomiting. One to two percent of infected persons develop severe muscle pain and stiffness in the neck and back. Less than one percent of polio cases result in paralysis.

https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/poliomyelitis/fact_sheet.htm#:~:text=About four to five percent,polio cases result in paralysis.

You are just a jackass and desecrated the memory of all those people who suffered horribly throughout their lives from that disease.  You can take your moronic quotes and stats you see online and shove it.  Absolutely clueless and heartless.

Also a hypocrite.  You're so concerned about Covid, but you think suffering from polio is funny.  Very glad I'm not you.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Procus responding to your post

Glad I'm not close minded like others here and am willing to listen and learn from those with experience.  Disappointed in you Mike.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

You are just a jackass and desecrated the memory of all those people who suffered horribly throughout their lives from that disease.  You can take your moronic quotes and stats you see online and shove it.  Absolutely clueless and heartless.

Also a hypocrite.  You're so concerned about Covid, but you think suffering from polio is funny.  Very glad I'm not you.

Yeah facts suck. Pretending to be outraged is a much better way to handle this discussion.

Just now, Procus said:

Glad I'm not close minded like others here and am willing to listen and learn from those with experience.  Disappointed in you Mike.

More phony outrage. Lmao. All because you just got wrecked by your own arguement. And then a bit of condescension for good measure.

 

Very dissapointed in you Procus.

31 minutes ago, Procus said:

You are just a jackass and desecrated the memory of all those people who suffered horribly throughout their lives from that disease.  You can take your moronic quotes and stats you see online and shove it.  Absolutely clueless and heartless.

Also a hypocrite.  You're so concerned about Covid, but you think suffering from polio is funny.  Very glad I'm not you.

No, suffering from polio related paralysis is absolutely horrible. What's funny here, is how proud you are of being illiterate.

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Glad I'm not close minded like others here and am willing to listen and learn from those with experience.  Disappointed in you Mike.

I have talked to several folks in their 80's who lived through Polio.  They all say what we are dealing with dwarfs what happened in the 50's.

For this lost generation that thinks they know what happened before they were born, read on and try to learn.  But I doubt most of you will.

https://chippewa.com/opinion/columnists/john-andersen-remembering-the-scourge-of-polio/article_c07ac353-6abb-59d9-b241-3d705dc44dc0.html

John Andersen: Remembering the scourge of polio

• Mar 28, 2020

One of the younger firefighters at the Chippewa Fire District asked me if I had ever seen anything like the reaction to the current coronavirus.

I had to tell him no, I had not. When I was growing up we had measles, mumps, chicken pox, German measles and stomach flu.

We had a lot of kids out of class at one time or the other, but they went home and returned a week later their normal selves.

I remember that some parents had their kids play with kids who had the measles or mumps just to expose them and get the disease over with.

When I was sick as a kid my Mom was at home and she nursed me through the disease. If my Dad became involved, I knew I was pretty sick. Growing up as a kid I had asthma pretty bad. Anyone who has ever had asthma knows what it is like.

That is when my Dad took over measuring and administering medication through a glass nebulizer tube with a big black rubber bulb on the end.

Dad was kind and tried to be gentle, but when you have a compromised airway all bets were off. Dad was a medic/surgical technician during World War II and he knew airway problems. Needless to say, I came through my asthma as a kid. Yet both my parents were afraid of one disease and that fear was shared by a lot of people.

The disease was called infantile paralysis back then, or poliomyelitis. Now we know it as polio.

My parents and my grandparents grew up with the disease. No one knew what caused it. The disease was maddening in its symptoms. Some people had mild symptoms like a headache, some people complained of a stiff neck, some people were temporarily paralyzed. Some people lost the use of their legs.

Others lost the use of the diaphragm muscle as a result of being paralyzed. If you recovered completely at a later time in your life, you could have post-polio complications that include a steady weakening of your muscles. Two to 5 % of the children who caught it and 10 to 15 % of the adults died from the disease.

The disease appeared in the early summer and lasted until late September or early fall. With that time frame, most parents tried to send their kids to summer camp or out of the city in an attempt to isolate them from what people of the time believed was a germ or virus. People thought you caught it like the common cold.

Treatment consisted of reducing fever and other common-sense measures of the time. If you were paralyzed and survived, you were placed in an iron lung. The machine breathed for you by creating a negative pressure in the machine, then switching to a positive pressure so you "breathed.”

The most common side effect was seeing kids or adults using braces or crutches to walk. Water therapy or swimming was encouraged.

The most famous polio survivor was President Franklin Roosevelt. He contracted polio in his early 30s, yet served almost four terms as president of the United States. He was a courageous and determined man.

Polio was almost eradicated from this earth by the work of three scientists —Drs. Jonas Sabin, Albert Bruce Salk and Hilary Koprowski, They found that polio was caused by fecal matter entering the mouth chiefly by contaminated food and water. Working together and also independently, they developed both a live vaccine and a dead vaccine that created herd immunity.

I remember the day I got my polio shot. The entire city of Marshfield turned out during 10 days at the Marshfield Armory. You needed two doses— one was by needle, the other was by mouth. Then the great polio epidemic was over.

There were no anti-vaxxers then. Just parents overjoyed that they and their kids would never have to fear polio. Even today there is no cure for polio.

Drs Sabin, Salk and Koprowski never made a nickel on their vaccines. They did not patent them. No one paid for the vaccine who could not afford it. There was no talk of profit margins. Perhaps, one day soon, we will be great again.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have talked to several folks in their 80's who lived through Polio.  They all say what we are dealing with dwarfs what happened in the 50's.

You're full of it.  Go ahead Boogyman, tell him how personal accounts don't matter in this thread.

15 minutes ago, Procus said:

You're full of it.  Go ahead Boogyman, tell him how personal accounts don't matter in this thread.

Quit PM'ing me.  Just like the facts presented, you call lies, someone posts what people who lived through it posted, and you also call it a lie.

Only 2 numbers are needed to prove my point.

3,145 people died from Polio in 1952, the highest yearly total.

More than 80,000 died from Covid in January of this year.

11 minutes ago, Procus said:

For this lost generation that thinks they know what happened before they were born, read on and try to learn.  But I doubt most of you will.

https://chippewa.com/opinion/columnists/john-andersen-remembering-the-scourge-of-polio/article_c07ac353-6abb-59d9-b241-3d705dc44dc0.html

John Andersen: Remembering the scourge of polio

• Mar 28, 2020

One of the younger firefighters at the Chippewa Fire District asked me if I had ever seen anything like the reaction to the current coronavirus.

I had to tell him no, I had not. When I was growing up we had measles, mumps, chicken pox, German measles and stomach flu.

We had a lot of kids out of class at one time or the other, but they went home and returned a week later their normal selves.

I remember that some parents had their kids play with kids who had the measles or mumps just to expose them and get the disease over with.

When I was sick as a kid my Mom was at home and she nursed me through the disease. If my Dad became involved, I knew I was pretty sick. Growing up as a kid I had asthma pretty bad. Anyone who has ever had asthma knows what it is like.

That is when my Dad took over measuring and administering medication through a glass nebulizer tube with a big black rubber bulb on the end.

Dad was kind and tried to be gentle, but when you have a compromised airway all bets were off. Dad was a medic/surgical technician during World War II and he knew airway problems. Needless to say, I came through my asthma as a kid. Yet both my parents were afraid of one disease and that fear was shared by a lot of people.

The disease was called infantile paralysis back then, or poliomyelitis. Now we know it as polio.

My parents and my grandparents grew up with the disease. No one knew what caused it. The disease was maddening in its symptoms. Some people had mild symptoms like a headache, some people complained of a stiff neck, some people were temporarily paralyzed. Some people lost the use of their legs.

Others lost the use of the diaphragm muscle as a result of being paralyzed. If you recovered completely at a later time in your life, you could have post-polio complications that include a steady weakening of your muscles. Two to 5 % of the children who caught it and 10 to 15 % of the adults died from the disease.

The disease appeared in the early summer and lasted until late September or early fall. With that time frame, most parents tried to send their kids to summer camp or out of the city in an attempt to isolate them from what people of the time believed was a germ or virus. People thought you caught it like the common cold.

Treatment consisted of reducing fever and other common-sense measures of the time. If you were paralyzed and survived, you were placed in an iron lung. The machine breathed for you by creating a negative pressure in the machine, then switching to a positive pressure so you "breathed.”

The most common side effect was seeing kids or adults using braces or crutches to walk. Water therapy or swimming was encouraged.

The most famous polio survivor was President Franklin Roosevelt. He contracted polio in his early 30s, yet served almost four terms as president of the United States. He was a courageous and determined man.

Polio was almost eradicated from this earth by the work of three scientists —Drs. Jonas Sabin, Albert Bruce Salk and Hilary Koprowski, They found that polio was caused by fecal matter entering the mouth chiefly by contaminated food and water. Working together and also independently, they developed both a live vaccine and a dead vaccine that created herd immunity.

I remember the day I got my polio shot. The entire city of Marshfield turned out during 10 days at the Marshfield Armory. You needed two doses— one was by needle, the other was by mouth. Then the great polio epidemic was over.

There were no anti-vaxxers then. Just parents overjoyed that they and their kids would never have to fear polio. Even today there is no cure for polio.

Drs Sabin, Salk and Koprowski never made a nickel on their vaccines. They did not patent them. No one paid for the vaccine who could not afford it. There was no talk of profit margins. Perhaps, one day soon, we will be great again.

 

You're full of it.  Go ahead Boogyman, tell him how personal accounts don't matter in this thread.

I'll tell you, personal accounts and trying to tug emotional strings do not change facts.  Now get your fake outrage to the Afghanistan thread, it seems to be pretty popular over there.

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'll tell you, personal accounts and trying to tug emotional strings do not change facts.  Now get your fake outrage to the Afghanistan thread, it seems to be pretty popular over there.

And the personal accounts I have posted, back up the facts, so now he wants to discount them 🤡🌏

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And the personal accounts I have posted, back up the facts, so now he wants to discount them 🤡🌏

He is trying so hard though. It's kinda cute.

Dear @we_gotta_believe,

It's too soon to laugh about polio.

Sincerely,

the people that laugh about Covid deaths

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

He is trying so hard though. It's kinda cute.

He PM'd me and tried to change my opinion, then when I refused he PM'd me that he is disappointed in me and is blocking me 🤡🌏

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He PM'd me and tried to change my opinion, then when I refused he PM'd me that he is disappointed in me and is blocking me 🤡🌏

So he is dumb and a puss puss. Seems those things go hand in hand around here lately.

7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Dear @we_gotta_believe,

It's too soon to laugh about polio.

Sincerely,

the people that laugh about Covid deaths

Anybody that laughs about a death or bad side effects from a disease needs to have their head examined.

23 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'll tell you, personal accounts and trying to tug emotional strings do not change facts.  Now get your fake outrage to the Afghanistan thread, it seems to be pretty popular over there.

Ah, so Mike's personal accounts hold no sway for you.  Mike disappointed me.  He and I had a hand in cleaning up the 411 section several years ago when Herb decided to make it the ESP section.  He asked me for personal information a few posts ago, so I responded in a message as opposed to a public post.  Apparently he thought it was okay to ask me personal information, but not okay to keep it private.  No need for that sort of drama or lack of self awareness, so I really have no use for him.

Tell you what - poll the general public at large and ask them if the majority of the participants in a Philadelphia Eagles football discussion group have a good handle on topics of the times.

Have a wonderful day gentlemen, and go Eagles!

42 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have talked to several folks in their 80's who lived through Polio.  They all say what we are dealing with dwarfs what happened in the 50's.

Yup I worked in a grocery store during the height of this pandemic we have hundreds of senior citizens come in to shop everyday during it. All of them said they never seen anything like this in their entire lives. 

You even have some that didn't care about this virus because polio wasn't that bad so they thought the same for this. 

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

Ah, so Mike's personal accounts hold no sway for you.  Mike disappointed me.  He and I had a hand in cleaning up the 411 section several years ago when Herb decided to make it the ESP section.  He asked me for personal information a few posts ago, so I responded in a message as opposed to a public post.  Apparently he thought it was okay to ask me personal information, but not okay to keep it private.  No need for that sort of drama or lack of self awareness, so I really have no use for him.

Tell you what - poll the general public at large and ask them if the majority of the participants in a Philadelphia Eagles football discussion group have a good handle on topics of the times.

Have a wonderful day gentlemen, and go Eagles!

Personal accounts do not change facts. How many different ways do I need to say it? For instance, 99 percent is still 99 percent even if your "neighbors daughters husband" fell into the 1 percent.

14 hours ago, Procus said:

Nobody called for third shots when these vaccines debuted. 

LOL bull.  Plenty of people said boosters may be needed because we don't know how long immunity will last.

29 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Personal accounts do not change facts. How many different ways do I need to say it? For instance, 99 percent is still 99 percent even if your "neighbors daughters husband" fell into the 1 percent.

Talking to a handful of people means the whole world has the same issue didn't you know?

It's like when someone comes into my store and they see I got rid of an item and they throw a fit.... " Why would you get rid of this me and my ( insert friend or family member here) buy it every single week! Everyone buys it!

 I show them the numbers and prove that I sell 1 a month and the rest goes in the garbage.... They come back with well I buy it! Then they walk away with threats of shopping at another chain I also know does not have it lol. 

2 hours ago, Procus said:

Were you even alive in the '60's or earlier?  Stop talking about ish you know nothing about or never experienced.  If you have parents or grandparents, go ask them and learn something.  And go read up on FDR while you're at it.

 

Dude, if you were vaccinated for polio with the Sabin vaccine in the early 60s you were probably a child, possibly a small child.

Everything you're claiming is literally the recollection of a man at least in his sixties about hearsay when he was a child.

Memory is a funny thing.

3 hours ago, Procus said:

Were you even alive in the '60's or earlier?  Stop talking about ish you know nothing about or never experienced.  If you have parents or grandparents, go ask them and learn something.  And go read up on FDR while you're at it.

 

You don't need to have been alive during a period in time to talk about. What the F is wrong with you? If the figures that were being discussed were recorded (they were) then it's easily able to be discussed and compared no matter if you were present or not.