August 16, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: So what can’t the government decide for other people? It can't decide where I take a poop this morning (unless I'm in jail and a gov't captive).
August 16, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: You do know there’s been 6000 reported deaths from Covid vaccines Fine I'll play. 6000 deaths divided by 165,000,000 = 0.000036%. If I walked up to a blackjack table and the dealer said, "Hey if you bet that 10K in your hand you have a 0.000036% of losing right now," what do you think I'm doing with that 10K? I'm playing and you would be stupid not to.
August 16, 20214 yr Author 16 minutes ago, caesar said: You are either intentionally misreading the data to support your "agenda", or you are gaslighting all of us. Of the 6000 deaths reported only three (3), as in one, two, three, were definitively linked to the vaccine. As it says in the report, people who died who had been vaccinated doesn't mean the vaccine caused the deaths. That is, correlation is not causation. Read this: How many people have died after getting a vaccine? Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented. After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS. By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of July 23, 2021, more than 610,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone. Not everyone who dies while having COVID is counted towards this total. Suppose someone who tested positive for COVID-19 was killed in a car accident. The car accident would be the cause of death. This person would be counted as having "died with” COVID, not as having "died of” COVID. https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/ Mic drop; game over. You lose this thread buddy. Now let the adults discuss things intelligently. Go play with your Ayn Rand action figure. Well we can play that same game with the Covid deaths too. Just now, Eaglesfandan said: Fine I'll play. 6000 deaths divided by 165,000,000 = 0.000036%. If I walked up to a blackjack table and the dealer said, "Hey if you bet that 10K in your hand you have a 0.000036% of losing right now," what do you think I'm doing with that 10K? I'm playing and you would be stupid not to. Ok I’ll counter. What’s 600,000/300,000,000?
August 16, 20214 yr I don’t think the government should be making any vaccine mandates. But if an employer wants to, they should absolutely be allowed to do so.
August 16, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well we can play that same game with the Covid deaths too. Ok I’ll counter. What’s 600,000/300,000,000? Some BS numbers you threw out there......
August 16, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well we can play that same game with the Covid deaths too. Ok I’ll counter. What’s 600,000/300,000,000? They said there wouldn't be math.
August 16, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: You do know there’s been 6000 reported deaths from Covid vaccines No, there haven’t been. This is an outright lie.
August 16, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: No, there haven’t been. This is an outright lie. Even if there were I'll take those numbers any day of the week.
August 16, 20214 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: No, there haven’t been. This is an outright lie. Yes there have. It’s on the CDC website
August 16, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well we can play that same game with the Covid deaths too. See you choose not to read, right? What I posted covered your carefully crafted repartee: By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of July 23, 2021, more than 610,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone. Not everyone who dies while having COVID is counted towards this total. Suppose someone who tested positive for COVID-19 was killed in a car accident. The car accident would be the cause of death. This person would be counted as having "died with” COVID, not as having "died of” COVID. So your game is NOT played with those numbers. Again, mic drop you lose!
August 16, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Yes there have. It’s on the CDC website LEARN TO READ: Quote How many people have died after getting a vaccine? Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. From what you posted.
August 16, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Yes there have. It’s on the CDC website I explained above what it means -- there were 3 deaths. Why are choosing to ignore the facts?
August 16, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Yes there have. It’s on the CDC website No, there haven’t. You don’t understand what you are reading.
August 16, 20214 yr 52 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: You do know there’s been 6000 reported deaths from Covid vaccines Reported to VAERS. Not verified. Anybody can upload whatever they want to VAERS. Like everything else you believe, this is total BS. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-the-covid-vaccine-didnt-cause-thousands-of-deaths/85-a9c9c5a9-2f8c-4d2e-9523-7f428e0357bd Quote The system does show it's received 6,490 reports of death in people who received a COVID vaccine, as of as of Aug. 2. However, this number is not a tool to gauge deaths because the system doesn't verify if it's true. The FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after a COVID-19 vaccine even when it's unclear if the vaccine might be involved. For example, the CDC said if a person with a history of heart problems goes to the ER in cardiac arrest, and dies, the hospital is required to report the death, and if the person was vaccinated. Then, the CDC verifies that cause of death. The CDC recently said a review of death certificates, autopsies, and medical records have not established a "casual link to COVID-19 vaccines."
August 16, 20214 yr On a stack and a half, I would like to see data on heart attack/stroke/blood clotting issues of the general population both before and after the vaccine rollout.
August 16, 20214 yr The CDC/FDA has mandated the reporting of any deaths through the VAERS following vaccination regardless if whether or not it is believed to be causative. Which would be a very odd policy for a group accused of trying to downplay vaccine related deaths.
August 16, 20214 yr 49 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: The CDC/FDA has mandated the reporting of any deaths through the VAERS following vaccination regardless if whether or not it is believed to be causative. Which would be a very odd policy for a group accused of trying to downplay vaccine related deaths. Some like to be armed with knowledge. Not very popular in here, it seems . . .
August 16, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Boogyman said: Here is a live look at @Seventy_Yard_FG destroying arguments today. Here he is storming into CVON to destroy arguments
August 17, 20214 yr Author On 8/16/2021 at 3:59 PM, vikas83 said: Reported to VAERS. Not verified. Anybody can upload whatever they want to VAERS. Like everything else you believe, this is total BS. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-the-covid-vaccine-didnt-cause-thousands-of-deaths/85-a9c9c5a9-2f8c-4d2e-9523-7f428e0357bd It’s not bs it’s exactly what I said. There have been 6000 reported deaths. Of those the CDC has confirmed 3 are. They have not confirmed that the other 5997 deaths are not
August 17, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: It’s not bs it’s exactly what I said. There have been 6000 reported deaths. Of those the CDC has confirmed 3 are. They have not confirmed that the other 5997 deaths are not
August 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: It’s not bs it’s exactly what I said. There have been 6000 reported deaths. Of those the CDC has confirmed 3 are. They have not confirmed that the other 5997 deaths are not You need to slow down on the day drinking. Or drink more. I don't know.
August 18, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: You need to slow down on the day drinking. Or drink more. I don't know. Probably wouldn't matter either way. A drunk idiot is still an idiot.
August 19, 20214 yr Washington’s COVID vaccine mandates ordered by Gov. Jay Inslee are among the strictest in the nation Even before Gov. Jay Inslee expanded his COVID-19 vaccination order to K-12 and higher education employees on Wednesday, Washington’s vaccine mandate ranked among the most sweeping and strict in the nation. Most governors who have imposed such mandates have built in wiggle room, allowing public employees and health care workers to undergo regular coronavirus tests if they choose not to get vaccinated. Inslee’s orders offer no such slack. Employees at state agencies, schools and universities must be fully vaccinated by Oct. 18 or face termination. Inoculations also will be a condition of employment for hundreds of thousands of people working in nursing homes, daycare, and long-term care facilities. The U.S. remains polarized over vaccine mandates even amid a surge in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the highly transmissible delta variant. Republican-led states have mostly avoided such orders — with some explicitly banning local mandates — while Democratic governors, like Inslee, have been more willing to impose them. In all, 21 states and the District of Columbia have some form of COVID-19 vaccine mandate, according to a tracker maintained by the national employment law firm Littler Mendelson. They vary in scope, with some aimed narrowly at nursing homes and other vulnerable health care settings, and others affecting all state employees. Most of the states with vaccine mandates, unlike Washington, allow employees who do not qualify for religious or medical exemptions to submit to frequent testing in lieu of vaccination. And the scope of Inslee’s order is also broader than other states — applying even to state contractors.
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