August 24, 20214 yr On 8/18/2021 at 12:34 PM, downundermike said: I love how you pull the stats for the win, but not the stats for the loss. Next one to win a Super Bowl will be the 1st. Russell Wilson, running QB, won a Super Bowl.
August 24, 20214 yr On 8/21/2021 at 6:28 AM, 20dawk4life said: Lamar averages 10.5 rushes per game. The 3 guys you mentioned are half that or less. Lamar and the Ravens broke all the rushing records. That doesn't mean that there never was a running QB before Lamar Jackson. Russell Wilson certainly was a running QB when he won the Super Bowl. The Eagles won one game with Hurts last year. It was the game that Hurts ran for the most yards, over 100. If the Eagles are losing a lot this year, it's probably because Hurts isn't running enough.
August 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Random Reglar said: Lamar and the Ravens broke all the rushing records. That doesn't mean that there never was a running QB before Lamar Jackson. Russell Wilson certainly was a running QB when he won the Super Bowl. The Eagles won one game with Hurts last year. It was the game that Hurts ran for the most yards, over 100. If the Eagles are losing a lot this year, it's probably because Hurts isn't running enough. Running QBs don't last. Never have never will.
August 24, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Random Reglar said: Russell Wilson, running QB, won a Super Bowl. He is not a running QB. He is a QB that can run.
August 24, 20214 yr 59 minutes ago, downundermike said: He is not a running QB. He is a QB that can run. Exactly. Jackson leads his team in rushing stats weekly. Wilson is not even close. Not to mention if anyone watches that SB he won, he only ran 3 times for 26 yards. He won that game with his arm and good decision making. The defense helped a bit as well, lol Jackson is more of the Mike Vick/Randell Cunningham(younger years) type of player who is a one read and take off QB. Wilson will move and buy time to find a player to throw to. Big difference between a running QB and a mobile QB. Do I want a mobile QB? Yes, Do I want a running QB? No
August 24, 20214 yr Author 6 hours ago, 20dawk4life said: Running QBs don't last. Never have never will. Randall Cunningham lasted fine. So did Fran Tarkenton. So has Russell Wilson. Same with Steve Young. Michael Vick just got old and ineffective, but not due to injury because he was a runner. Depends on the type of running QB along with the individual.
August 24, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Procus said: Randall Cunningham lasted fine. So did Fran Tarkenton. So has Russell Wilson. Same with Steve Young. Michael Vick just got old and ineffective, but not due to injury because he was a runner. Depends on the type of running QB along with the individual. It all depends on if they learn to be a pass first QB. RGknee, Krapernick, Vick, Vince Young, Tebow, Taylor, Marriott etc. all never learned to be a pass first qb with maybe the exception of Vick when he was here with Andy. Their body’s either couldn’t hold up or defenses figured them out in a few years.
August 24, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, 20dawk4life said: It all depends on if they learn to be a pass first QB. RGknee, Krapernick, Vick, Vince Young, Tebow, Taylor, Marriott etc. all never learned to be a pass first qb with maybe the exception of Vick when he was here with Andy. Their body’s either couldn’t hold up or defenses figured them out in a few years. Truth be told, most QB's - both mobile and immoblie - do not have long NFL careers. It's a difficult sport to play long term.
August 25, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 1:33 PM, 20dawk4life said: It all depends on if they learn to be a pass first QB. RGknee, Krapernick, Vick, Vince Young, Tebow, Taylor, Marriott etc. all never learned to be a pass first qb with maybe the exception of Vick when he was here with Andy. Their body’s either couldn’t hold up or defenses figured them out in a few years. Vick had one of his better passing seasons here but, was still not a pocket passer and even admitted to still not learning the playbook while even here.
August 25, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 4:29 PM, Procus said: Truth be told, most QB's - both mobile and immoblie - do not have long NFL careers. It's a difficult sport to play long term. Agreed. So Hurts needs to prolong his career and ability by becoming a better pocket passer.
August 25, 20214 yr Author 43 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Agreed. So Hurts needs to prolong his career and ability by becoming a better pocket passer. Staying in the pocket while Richie K was the head coach did not help prolong Randall's career.
August 25, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 1:29 PM, Procus said: Truth be told, most QB's - both mobile and immoblie - do not have long NFL careers. It's a difficult sport to play long term. That might be true for real bad QBs. QBs that can play at the NFL level are sticking around often until around 40 years old. Not many other positions have this kind of longevity.
August 26, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Procus said: Staying in the pocket while Richie K was the head coach did not help prolong Randall's career. Yet had his best year as more of a passer with the Vikings. Imagine that.
August 26, 20214 yr Author 3 hours ago, brkmsn said: That might be true for real bad QBs. QBs that can play at the NFL level are sticking around often until around 40 years old. Not many other positions have this kind of longevity. You can count the number of QB's playing who are 40 or older on one finger - his name is Tom Brady. There's not a single other active QB over 40 playing today. There have been 22 in all time NFL history.
August 26, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: You can count the number of QB's playing who are 40 or older on one finger - his name is Tom Brady. There's not a single other active QB over 40 playing today. There have been 22 in all time NFL history. How many RBs can you count?
August 26, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 7:20 AM, 20dawk4life said: Running QBs don't last. Never have never will. Russell Wilson. Running QBs are far more rare than passing QBs, And most NFL teams, especially the coaches, don't want running QBs, so, they can have a winning record and not have a team, but a passing QB keeps their job despite a losing record. Michael Vick played his last game at 35 Mcnabb - 35 Cunningham - 38 that's 3 Eagles, 3 running QBs, who all had long careers. Steve Young - 38. All those QBs had at least 500 yards rushing in a single year, and actual rushing yards is the way to measure. There haven't been all that many running QBs to run for 500+ in a year, but it looks like a good high percentage of those who did have played for a while.
August 26, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Random Reglar said: Russell Wilson. Running QBs are far more rare than passing QBs, And most NFL teams, especially the coaches, don't want running QBs, so, they can have a winning record and not have a team, but a passing QB keeps their job despite a losing record. Michael Vick played his last game at 35 Mcnabb - 35 Cunningham - 38 that's 3 Eagles, 3 running QBs, who all had long careers. Steve Young - 38. All those QBs had at least 500 yards rushing in a single year, and actual rushing yards is the way to measure. There haven't been all that many running QBs to run for 500+ in a year, but it looks like a good high percentage of those who did have played for a while. Because they learned to be a pass first QB.
August 26, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 1:33 PM, 20dawk4life said: It all depends on if they learn to be a pass first QB. RGknee, Krapernick, Vick, Vince Young, Tebow, Taylor, Marriott etc. all never learned to be a pass first qb with maybe the exception of Vick when he was here with Andy. Their body’s either couldn’t hold up or defenses figured them out in a few years. RGIII was Lamar's backup last year at the age of 30 Kaepernick decided he was a protester first. Vick retired at 35 - long career. Vince Young retired at 28 with a winning record. Tim Tebow won a playoff game, lost a playoff game, and didn't get another start in the NFL. Has a winning record as a starter. Tyrod Taylor is the starting QB for the Texans right now. He's going to be 32 and he has a winning record as a starter. Marriott I assume you mean Mariota. hasn't run for 500 yards in a season. is Carrs backup with the Raiders. Mariota has 3 winning seasons out of 5. Carr has 1 winning season out of 7. Yet Carr will likely suck and fail again, and the Raiders don't care. Running QBs win more, get screwed often. It's rare that physical injury keeps them off the field, it's typically that running QBs get screwed because NFL coaches don't want running QBs. Owners and Front Office like running QBs a lot more than NFL coaches do.
August 26, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Because they learned to be a pass first QB. nah. Vick really didn't. At the end of their career, running QBs can be a shadow of themselves and keep some job despite not being as good at running. A 30 year old NFL player has had a pretty long career. I think that we'd agree that if a running QB can't run well anymore, he better find some other way to stay good enough to play in the NFL.
August 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Random Reglar said: RGIII was Lamar's backup last year at the age of 30 Kaepernick decided he was a protester first. Vick retired at 35 - long career. Vince Young retired at 28 with a winning record. Tim Tebow won a playoff game, lost a playoff game, and didn't get another start in the NFL. Has a winning record as a starter. Tyrod Taylor is the starting QB for the Texans right now. He's going to be 32 and he has a winning record as a starter. Marriott I assume you mean Mariota. hasn't run for 500 yards in a season. is Carrs backup with the Raiders. Mariota has 3 winning seasons out of 5. Carr has 1 winning season out of 7. Yet Carr will likely suck and fail again, and the Raiders don't care. Running QBs win more, get screwed often. It's rare that physical injury keeps them off the field, it's typically that running QBs get screwed because NFL coaches don't want running QBs. Owners and Front Office like running QBs a lot more than NFL coaches do. None of the players you mentioned are winners. None had a successful career.
August 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Random Reglar said: nah. Vick really didn't. At the end of their career, running QBs can be a shadow of themselves and keep some job despite not being as good at running. A 30 year old NFL player has had a pretty long career. I think that we'd agree that if a running QB can't run well anymore, he better find some other way to stay good enough to play in the NFL. Vick is the only possible exception but even then he had to learn how to be a pass first qb with the eagles.
August 26, 20214 yr One of the big reasons why a talented running QB like L. Jackson continues to have success in today's NFL is because defensive philosophy in the NFL has evolved to the point where the focus is to stop passing teams. Pass rushers are generally lighter and faster. Many teams are replacing 1 of their LBs with DB hybrids that are also lighter and better in coverage. The Ravens have found success by designing an offense to exploit today's defenses. Technically we could do something similar and have general success until defenses are forced to evolve once again as more and more teams emulate a successful model. However, we have some very good pass blockers on the O-line and some young WRs that appear poised to make their names known. Just because Hurts can run, doesn't mean that giving him 20 carries a game would be more productive than getting the ball into the hands of Sanders, Gainwell, Goedert, Smith, Reagor, Watkins, Fulgham and Etrz (as long as he's here). If Hurts, this season, can improve his completion percentage, cut down on fumbles, and improve his decision making on when to run, he could be even harder to play defense against than a QB that is expected to run 18-20 times. I'm all for doing whatever it takes to win games. 2017 proved that it's better to have the whole team involved than to rely on one star player to carry them.
September 1, 20214 yr On 8/24/2021 at 6:00 AM, Random Reglar said: Russell Wilson, running QB, won a Super Bowl. So was Steve Young. Ironically the laundry list of statue quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl is much longer than the list of running quarterbacks who haven’t, but whatever.
September 1, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: So was Steve Young. Ironically the laundry list of statue quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl is muck longer than the list of running quarterbacks who haven’t, but whatever. Young was ridiculously efficient runner and it made him look like more of a runner then he was ( still a running QB to a certain extent.). Young was ridiculously accurate and a great passer after people thought he was just a running QB. When he did run he put on a hell of a show lol. He's my favorite QB of all time. Young had 722 carries for 4,200 yard for his career. Wilson has currently 806 carries for 4,500 yards in 9 years and counting.
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