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Why don't all you alarmists list all of the zero things you've done to combat climate change

28 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The biggest LARP on the planet

Why don't all you alarmists list all of the zero things you've done to combat climate change

Elected a better president.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Why don't all you alarmists list all of the zero things you've done to combat climate change

in the process of installing solar panels, 2 different composting systems, replaced everything with energy efficient appliances, no paper towels or paper products in house, grey water system for the yard, compostable/renewable toilet paper, cloth diapers and wipes for the baby, local renewable seafood only (preferably line caught), beef down to 2 servings a month and local meat only, at least 3 vegetarian meals per week and all local produce (including our own garden), no plastic/Ziploc/garbage bag use, hybrid cars (hoping to go electric), all cleaning products in recyclable/renewable packaging (beeswax containers if we can find it),  write gov officials to support nuclear energy, weekly shore cleanups, sending our kid to a daycare/preschool that emphasizes and teaches sustainability (whole school is carbon neutral), donate yearly to the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation which researches and advises green energy policies, and planted a native plant garden in a large portion of our yard. 

53 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

renewable seafood

 

5 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

We can’t even convince people to take a life-saving vaccine. I really doubt that we can convince people to do something about climate change until there’s a lot more death and destruction.

I think the problem is that any time there’s a storm or it’s very cold or very hot, it’s blamed on climate change.  It’s the coldest temperature for December 18th in 20 years, that’s climate change.  It’s the warmest day for July 21st in Vegas in 15 years, that’s climate change.  It sometimes seems like something happens and people say it’s climate change, regardless if that’s the actual reason.  Much like when a football teams wins more often when they run the ball more than 20 times, fans wonder why they don’t just run the ball more.  Those fans don’t realize that running may not be the reason they win more often, though it can be a reason some of the time.

I do think there’s a change, but I when everything is seen as a result of climate change, even things we’ve experienced in the past, it’s hard to take some of the claims seriously.

17 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

I think the problem is that any time there’s a storm or it’s very cold or very hot, it’s blamed on climate change.  It’s the coldest temperature for December 18th in 20 years, that’s climate change.  It’s the warmest day for July 21st in Vegas in 15 years, that’s climate change.  It sometimes seems like something happens and people say it’s climate change, regardless if that’s the actual reason.  Much like when a football teams wins more often when they run the ball more than 20 times, fans wonder why they don’t just run the ball more.  Those fans don’t realize that running may not be the reason they win more often, though it can be a reason some of the time.

I do think there’s a change, but I when everything is seen as a result of climate change, even things we’ve experienced in the past, it’s hard to take some of the claims seriously.

Well like I said, it’s gonna take a lot of death and destruction to convince people. Otherwise, it’s business as usual.

26 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

 

Certain fish and fishing practices are more sustainable than others. In general line caught and local are better but Monterey Bay Aquarium is a good resource. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Certain fish and fishing practices are more sustainable than others. In general line caught and local are better but Monterey Bay Aquarium is a good resource. 

Isn’t all food renewable? I never ate something and thought damn glad I got that before it disappears. 

7 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Isn’t all food renewable? I never ate something and thought damn glad I got that before it disappears. 

I mean it's all about how quickly the animal can replenish vs how quickly it's harvested. Not only can it hurt their numbers, it can allow overgrowth of other species that can mess up the ecosystem.  An example is overfishing triggerfish in CA allows sea urchins to overpopulate, which in turn causes destruction of kelp forests which impacts a wide variety of seafood. 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I mean it's all about how quickly the animal can replenish vs how quickly it's harvested. Not only can it hurt their numbers, it can allow overgrowth of other species that can mess up the ecosystem.  An example is overfishing triggerfish in CA allows sea urchins to overpopulate, which in turn causes destruction of kelp forests which impacts a wide variety of seafood. 

It’s still all renewable. 

6 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

It’s still all renewable. 

Not if it can't be "renewed" to its original numbers. I mean technically given enough time fossil fuels will "renew" but at that point we're just getting into semantics. 

27 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Isn’t all food renewable? 

No

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Not if it can't be "renewed" to its original numbers. I mean technically given enough time fossil fuels will "renew" but at that point we're just getting into semantics. 

Yea but I’m not trying to eat oil. All farmed food is renewable. The vast vast majority of food in the grocery store is renewable food. You’d have to be going out of your way to buy something that is not renewable. 

2 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yea but I’m not trying to eat oil. All farmed food is renewable. The vast vast majority of food in the grocery store is renewable food. You’d have to be going out of your way to buy something that is not renewable. 

What difference does it make if you're eating it or not?  If you're consuming X per year, and Y amount is replenished a year, and X>Y then it's not really renewable in any kind of sustainable way. This is a major issue when it comes to seafood. It's the whole concept behind "overfishing"

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What difference does it make if you're eating it or not?  If you're consuming X per year, and Y amount is replenished a year, and X>Y then it's not really renewable in any kind of sustainable way. This is a major issue when it comes to seafood. It's the whole concept behind "overfishing"

Let me rephrase. No one is trying to eat oil. 
 

Seafood is all renewable because of rules already in place. You aren’t making a difference if you’re trying to find stuff labeled renewable. 

3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Let me rephrase. No one is trying to eat oil. 
 

Seafood is all renewable because of rules already in place. You aren’t making a difference if you’re trying to find stuff labeled renewable. 

Absolutely not true. Are you serious right now?  

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Absolutely not true. Are you serious right now?  

Like I said, you’d have to try to buy something that isn’t renewable. Most grocery stores have farmed seafood. There’s a sheet ton of laws in place to prevent over fishing. 

2 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Like I said, you’d have to try to buy something that isn’t renewable. Most grocery stores have farmed seafood. There’s a sheet ton of laws in place to prevent over fishing. 

And like I said, that's not remotely true. It's about 50% that is are farmed and it varies dramatically fish to fish. There are laws in place to limit overfishing but it hasn't made the issue obsolete. Not even close. 

51 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

It’s still all renewable. 

Well there used to be 20 million bison roaming the middle of North America

15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

And like I said, that's not remotely true. It's about 50% that is are farmed and it varies dramatically fish to fish. There are laws in place to limit overfishing but it hasn't made the issue obsolete. Not even close. 

Fish and shellfish are renewable. If you have a problem with that take it up with NOAA

OOF!!  Now we wait to see if all that money put into the levee system was worth it.

https://www.nola.com/news/hurricane/article_3ed55acc-077f-11ec-a4e6-9bfb7e7c286b.html

16 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Fish and shellfish are renewable. If you have a problem with that take it up with NOAA

You mean this NOAA?

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/new-indicators-could-help-manage-global-overfishing

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coral-overfishing.html

Hell you look at their website and there's a link that says "make sustainable seafood choices. Click here: https://www.fishwatch.gov/"

You're actively disproving your own point. 

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You mean this NOAA?

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/new-indicators-could-help-manage-global-overfishing

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coral-overfishing.html

Hell you look at their website and there's a link that says "make sustainable seafood choices. Click here: https://www.fishwatch.gov/"

You're actively disproving your own point. 

Yup the same noaa that says fish and shellfish are renewable and sustainable. 

3 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

in the process of installing solar panels, 2 different composting systems, replaced everything with energy efficient appliances, no paper towels or paper products in house, grey water system for the yard, compostable/renewable toilet paper, cloth diapers and wipes for the baby, local renewable seafood only (preferably line caught), beef down to 2 servings a month and local meat only, at least 3 vegetarian meals per week and all local produce (including our own garden), no plastic/Ziploc/garbage bag use, hybrid cars (hoping to go electric), all cleaning products in recyclable/renewable packaging (beeswax containers if we can find it),  write gov officials to support nuclear energy, weekly shore cleanups, sending our kid to a daycare/preschool that emphasizes and teaches sustainability (whole school is carbon neutral), donate yearly to the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation which researches and advises green energy policies, and planted a native plant garden in a large portion of our yard. 

15 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yup the same noaa that says fish and shellfish are renewable and sustainable. 

Certain fish, fished in certain ways. But again their website makes it explicitly clear that overfishing is still an issue and some fish are more sustainable than others. Again all the links I provided are from their website. 

13 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Hey, he asked.