1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Wentz isn’t stupid. 
 

Fans can blind themselves all they like - but the Eagles clearly want another option as a potential franchise Quarterback. If Wentz stays healthy and plays well - Hurts get traded.

If Wentz gets another significant injury and Hurts plays well - most likely Wentz gets traded.

Wentz has every right to be annoyed.

I would be to. He gets no credit for the SB title even though we dont have it without him. His outstanding play last year with nothing but backups is erased to everyone because he took a cheap shot from a dirty player in the playoffs. People start BS rumors about the locker room not liking him based on nothing. 

Howie: Yeah fool you still the guy we just gave you $100 mill son. You keep gettin hurt though so....

Wentz: It's a girl!

12 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

What the hell has Howie gotten us into? Not only do we now have a national story about our QB situation for the next few years, but now our QB who's already navigated a QB controversy and a locker-room dissension storyline has another quandary to deal with. So much for Carson being on board with this pick, nothing but drama ahead.

Maybe he meant it wasnt comfortable for Howie.  Carson knows he's the better QB and will be playing as long as he's healthy.

Howie basically has to tell him we are drafting a QB early because we cant count on you to stay healthy.  

Maybe this will get something in Wentz's head to start sliding, get out of bounds and throw it away when nothing's there.

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

True. But they did at least draft 3 receivers, trade for one, and draft 2 Ol

Yeah they absolutely did so a bit of a mixed bag I suppose. 

8 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

For what? He was drafted in the 2nd round. Would have been better if he was drafted in the 5th or something and traded for a 3rd or something

Yeah - who knows.

Just to be clear, I don’t like the pick. I’m just saying people need to accept this is also a Plan B for Wentz and not just a backup QB.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah they absolutely did so a bit of a mixed bag I suppose. 

Another topic here claims they invested TOO MUCH into Wentz, going offense heavy the last 3 draft high picks.

TE Goedert, LT Dillard, RB Sanders, WR JJAW before this year. 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Another topic here claims they invested TOO MUCH into Wentz, going offense heavy the last 3 draft high picks.

TE Goedert, LT Dillard, RB Sanders  ER JJAW before this year. 

I think there's an argument to be made to say they have 'favoured' the offense in terms of picks but actually that's mostly down to poor drafting. Same with our corners too. We've drafted a number of corners in recent years but haven't drafted well at the position.

14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And also I mean let's be honest here I'm sure Carson isn't happy. I'm sure he'd have preferred that pick to have been a weapon on offense or even defense. Not because he fears losing the starting job but because in a best case scenario Hurts does nothing to help the team on the field. 

Even in a best case scenario Hurts will do more that nothing for our team. He will see the field at times, and we pay him 6M$ for 4 years.

None of us have any idea as to what wentz is thinking / feeling just now. And in all honesty, it doesn’t really matter.

At this level, when you’re supposed to be one of the top 10 players at your position, the cream of the crop, world class etc then you should have the mental fortitude and confidence in your ability to not let a rookie upset or disrupt your game. Simply put, if wentz does let’s this get to him and affect his play, then hes perhaps not the qb we think he is. We had a borderline elite qb before in McNabb that appeared to let outside influences get the better of him and it didn’t work out.

As an aside, I don’t think Wentz will let this get to him at all. And I think he will win this franchise a second super bowl before his career here is done.

56 minutes ago, Muz86 said:

None of us have any idea as to what wentz is thinking / feeling just now. And in all honesty, it doesn’t really matter.

At this level, when you’re supposed to be one of the top 10 players at your position, the cream of the crop, world class etc then you should have the mental fortitude and confidence in your ability to not let a rookie upset or disrupt your game. Simply put, if wentz does let’s this get to him and affect his play, then hes perhaps not the qb we think he is. We had a borderline elite qb before in McNabb that appeared to let outside influences get the better of him and it didn’t work out.

As an aside, I don’t think Wentz will let this get to him at all. And I think he will win this franchise a scone super bowl before his career here is done.

Correct. There's no crying in football (unless you win the super bowl and are extremely emotional). Just man up, be the MVP caliber player that he is, and earn that next 100 mill contract. Preferably without getting hurt in a significant manner. Pretty simple yes?

No worries because Carson will handle it with class as always. He probably didn't like or agree with the pick but he won't show that publicly or be a bad teammate to Hurts because of it. It's just not who he is or what he's about. 

If we miss the playoffs or Wentz get hurt again he'll end up being traded to the Pats next year. Then goes on to have an extended injury free career at a high level 

On 4/29/2020 at 10:15 AM, JSEagle said:

I don't really see the problem with it. It probably was uncomfortable to let Wentz know they were going to draft a QB, but it is what it is.

We needed a back up. The football season is getting longer, there's a pandemic and if we're being honest, Wentz hasn't thrown the final pass for the Eagles in 3 seasons now. He's had an injury every single year, to some degree, for his entire career and even prior to that in college.

I like Wentz. I'm happy he's our QB and wouldn't change that. He's smart enough to understand that this is a business, though. He has to know what went into the decision. If he's that mentally fragile (which I don't believe) then he shouldn't be playing the sport.

Howie needs to worry about the Eagles as a whole, not just Wentz. 

It amuses me that it seems when some people hear or read that Player A is unhappy with Decision B they imagine player A curled up in a ball sobbing like a baby - instead imagine Player A a little (emphasis on little) pissed and motivated.

Wentz should be uncomfortable. I love the guy and am grateful he's as good as he is. BUT... he hasn't returned to 2017 form in 2018 or 2019, injuries aside. 3-4 years is a long time in the NFL, and who's to say Hurts won't be the QB more worth an investment in 2022 or 2023?

Plus, I think this will bring out the best in him on the field (along with playing with at least a few receivers who weren't picked up at Home Depot).

17 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

I would be to. He gets no credit for the SB title even though we dont have it without him. His outstanding play last year with nothing but backups is erased to everyone because he took a cheap shot from a dirty player in the playoffs. People start BS rumors about the locker room not liking him based on nothing. 

Did he get a ring?

17 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

He gets no credit for the SB title

He gets plenty of credit for the SB title and rightly so. 

Wentz signed a big deal. So Wentz shouldn't worry about anything.

Shall I beat the drum once more?  Howie is great with contracts and salary cap (alshon contract notwithstanding).  He is a valuable asset in that aspect.  But for Jiminy Christmas,  get him as far away from scouting and personnel as possible.  

Of course it wasn't comfortable. Teams draft QBs in higher rounds to groom as possible franchise QBs. And, then you have Howie gushing that he thinks Hurts' upside is close to Russell Wilson (who, let's be honest, is still better than Wentz at this current point) even though Howie doesn't mention Wilson due to tampering. So, that wouldn't make Wentz happy either. No QB in their prime would like a team spending a high pick on a backup QB because teams normally don't ask a rookie to backup a vet, especially if the vet gets injured during the stretch run. The odds of a rookie QB coming in late in a season and rescuing the season are pretty slim. So, Wentz has a right to not like it.  A lot of fans are in denial about this whole thing.  

16 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

And, then you have Howie gushing that he thinks Hurts' upside is close to Russell Wilson (who, let's be honest, is still better than Wentz at this current point)

That's actually a really good point. I mean I get Howie probably feels somewhat sore that he didn't get Wilson but hey he ended up with Wentz and a SB.

1 hour ago, FastFreddie said:

BUT... he hasn't returned to 2017 form in 2018 or 2019, injuries aside

He played outstanding last year when you look at who he had to work with.

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's actually a really good point. I mean I get Howie probably feels somewhat sore that he didn't get Wilson but hey he ended up with Wentz and a SB.

That's where Howie is making another mistake. Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson.  Hurts isn't Russell Wilson and it doesn't magically undo or fix what happened back then. I think Howie is viewing that pick as some kind of correction.  Hurts doesn't have the deep ball accuracy that Wilson had. Wilson has one of the best deep balls in the game and he had the skill in college I'm concerned because that pick shows that Howie can't let something go. Wilson shouldn't be any kind of influence on this draft and the 2012 draft shouldn't have any impact on now.

22 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

He played outstanding last year when you look at who he had to work with.

I didn't say he wasn't really good. But he was ridiculous in 2017. MVP-caliber. Ranked as the 3rd best player in the NFL by his peers. Even considering his weapons were bad, it's hard to argue he's a top-5 QB, let alone a top-5 player.

Again... VERY VERY GOOD. But not transcendent or irreplaceable.

I don't get comparing Hurts to Russell Wilson if you watched both in college. 

Wilson at Wisconsin mind you completed 72% of his passes, 33 TDS, 4 picks, at 12 yards and attempt. Like now he was an ok runner but mostly to ran to put pressure on the defense and opportunistically. Wilson was a dude at Wisconsin and virtually carried them to the Rose Bowl. Wisconsin's defense that year was poor. In 3 losses to Much State, Ohio State and Chip Kelly's Oregon he put up 31, 29 and 38 points.

He literally got Nick Toon an NFL contract as a senior. Dude caught more touchdown passes (10)than his previous 3 years combined (8)

 

Comparatively Jalen Hurts has been surrounded by all world offensive talent his entire career. 

 

 

Hurts was mediocre in the extreme at Alabama and while his numbers drastically improved at Oklahoma through the air he still wasn't as efficient as a senior as Russ and did most of his damage with his legs.

The NFL isn't the Big 12, I just don't see this kid being able to sit in the pocket and deliver the ball into tight windows. I can see this kid coming in for a hobbled Carson and winning a game in the 4th with his legs and no tape. 16 game season though? 

 

On 4/29/2020 at 8:30 PM, time2rock said:

Trade Wentz to Dallas for their 2021 6th.  Problem solved.  

I know you jest but all I've been thinking since this move is Dallas may need a QB soon, Wentz goes there, does well.

Doesn't bear thinking about , no, can't be having that.

Please God no 😨