April 30, 20205 yr All these guys are being paid millions. I would rather have them be uncomfortable. If you don't think you can perform because of a bit of competition, how do you plan on succeeding in the NFL? i get all the locker room chemistry and such but lets be honest, Carson was a #2 pick in the draft. Jaylen was a mid 2nd round pick.
April 30, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: Wentz isn’t stupid. Fans can blind themselves all they like - but the Eagles clearly want another option as a potential franchise Quarterback. If Wentz stays healthy and plays well - Hurts get traded. If Wentz gets another significant injury and Hurts plays well - most likely Wentz gets traded. Wentz has every right to be annoyed. This is what fans should be aware of. They need reliability at the position and aren't going to wait until the wheels fall completely off like happened with McNabb. If Wentz stays healthy for two years running and/or leads us to another SB win, Hurts was a bad pickup. The chances that happens: probably zero.
April 30, 20205 yr Let’s talk more about Wentz’s panties being in a knot under a year after agreeing to make close to $30 million a year. The Eagles don’t owe him anything. Again, I freaking love the guy. Dominant in 2017, above average in 2018 but admirable considering ACL recovery and then the back injury that he probably had for weeks, frustrating 2019 that sadly ended with another injury. But, he goes down again with a cheap or bad backup, y’all would blame Howie for not seeing it coming. Instead, a proactive move was made, and you all go loco. I realize we don’t have actual sports to follow right now, but Carson Wentz doesn’t need your pity.
April 30, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: Let’s talk more about Wentz’s panties being in a knot They aren't.
April 30, 20205 yr On 4/29/2020 at 9:35 AM, EagleJoe8 said: Listening to the whole thing in context, it can really go either way. He could have been referring to it not being comfortable going into the conversation to begin with. We don’t know how Wentz took it after explanation. It’s possible that was not good either. Still not the decision I would have made, but this can be very good for us, or very bad for us. "Big Joe" . . . YER KILLIN' ME !! I almost gave you a "NO DUH !?" or a Captain Obvious moniker ! But I know you're better than that ! EVERYTHING the Eagles do can be very good or very bad for us !! I heard absolutely nothing in Howie's explanation that worries me in the slightest ! By signing Hurts the Eags are TRYING to protect the team in the event that Wentz goes down. PERIOD !! End of story ! Reading in all this other stuff i.e. trick plays, trade bait etc. etc. is all superfluous. And if Wentz has his panties all crunched up ( I don't think he does) too bad ! Get over it and move on ! This move has "ins. policy" written all over it and yes: somewhere down the road maybe Hurts becomes "THE MAN" for us. But for now, that's in another galaxy far far away. How about we wait and see what actually happens, yes ?
May 4, 20205 yr On 4/30/2020 at 1:12 PM, FastFreddie said: <snip> Plus, I think this will bring out the best in him on the field (along with playing with at least a few receivers who weren't picked up at Home Depot). No, they picked 'em up at Lowes. Remember that all but one were from the bottom half of the draft picks. I hope Howie found Jerry Rice ver.2.0 in the bargain bin but I sure ain't counting on it.
May 4, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, eglz1 said: No, they picked 'em up at Lowes. Remember that all but one were from the bottom half of the draft picks. I hope Howie found Jerry Rice ver.2.0 in the bargain bin but I sure ain't counting on it. Last season Howie paid in both draft pick and cash money to add DeSean. It looked awesome... for one game. He'll be back. Last season Howie considered Alshon Jeffery to be a key part of the offense, and restructured his contract to make sure he was on the team through 2020. Last season Howie invested a second-round pick in a WR that looked to have a nose for the end zone and have a physical style of play. You can argue any of these moves were mistakes, but fact is that none of the three of these guys were healthy at the end of the last season (reportedly although maybe JJAW just stinks) - hence my Home Depot comment. I assume what you're saying is that you don't feel Howie did enough in 2020, but I'm not sure what you expect. He increased his draft investment from a second rounder to a first rounder. He acquired three other guys with later round picks. And experts and us idiots on message boards and Twitter are still wondering how the roster spots will shake out. Short version of what I'm asking is, "What could Howie have done differently in this off-season in your eyes to pour more resources into the WR position?" Because I think it's proved more than adequate, considering: 1. DeSean isn't going anywhere - except maybe IR as usual 2. Alshon isn't going anywhere - contract is prohibitive, he's untradeable 3. JJAW isn't going anywhere - even if he proves to suck as much as many of us fear he does, they aren't cutting bait before the season starts 4. Ward isn't going anywhere - he's the only Fing guy who made any plays down the stretch last year
May 4, 20205 yr On 4/29/2020 at 8:09 PM, Uscg-green said: Actions speak louder than words. You can live a healthy life, but still buy insurance. I guess Thorson scared Howie into thinking he sucks at drafting (period) late round quarterbacks so he went earlier this time. I don’t agree with the pick. I think it’s going to do more harm than good, but let’s be honest. If Carson doesn’t end the last three seasons injured then maybe Howie doesn’t feel like he needs to get this insurance.
May 4, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: You can live a healthy life, but still buy insurance. I guess Thorson scared Howie into thinking he sucks ad drafting (period) late round quarterbacks so he went earlier this time. I don’t agree with the pick. I think it’s going to do more harm than good, but let’s be honest. If Carson doesn’t end the last three seasons injured then maybe Howie doesn’t feel like he needs to get this insurance. I think we should have gone after Andy Dalton. Everyone knew he was getting released. Yes he is average but that is what a Backup QB for the most part is.
May 4, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: I think we should have gone after Andy Dalton. Everyone knew he was getting released. Yes he is average but that is what a Backup QB for the most part is. I agree. More than capable of holding down the fort till Wentz got back and he didn’t cost all that much.
May 4, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: I think we should have gone after Andy Dalton. Everyone knew he was getting released. Yes he is average but that is what a Backup QB for the most part is. 6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I agree. More than capable of holding down the fort till Wentz got back and he didn’t cost all that much. Yep - that would have been my preference. Or even Flacco, who I still believe can win games in a limited role. But whether we agree with it or not, the Eagles want an alternative to Wentz as an insurance policy.
May 4, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: Yep - that would have been my preference. Or even Flacco, who I still believe can win games in a limited role. But whether we agree with it or not, the Eagles want an alternative to Wentz as an insurance policy. It’s true. Clearly they’re looking for a long term option and not just some guy who can hold down the fort. Hurts isn’t here to be that guy.
May 4, 20205 yr I love all these hot takes about Wentz just sucking it up and dealing with it because he is so highly paid Pretty sure thats not the issue, I think its more that the team is making it harder on him and not easier. On 4/30/2020 at 4:57 PM, Madriver said: This is what fans should be aware of. They need reliability at the position and aren't going to wait until the wheels fall completely off like happened with McNabb. If Wentz stays healthy for two years running and/or leads us to another SB win, Hurts was a bad pickup. The chances that happens: probably zero. You know whats even less likely? That a rookie is able to do what Foles did and lead the team to a Super Bowl Even less likely than that? That somehow Hurts develops into a sought-after QB and Howie is able to flip him for picks Literally any way you lool at this pick, its stupid. The Eagles simultaneously crapped on the franchise QB on and off the field, swung and missed at an opportunity to improve the team immediately, and took a huge risk on a player with a very slim chance it will actually pay off Insanely stupid, tone deaf move where the Eagles are trying to be the smartest ones in the room.
May 4, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I love all these hot takes about Wentz just sucking it up and dealing with it because he is so highly paid It is always the stick used to beat players though isn't it. Apparently because they earn millions they don't have the same emotions and feelings as the rest of the 'normal' population.
May 4, 20205 yr From Garofolo: ”Carson Wentz on the #Eagles drafting Jalen Hurts: "Excited to add him to the team. ... Heard nothing but great things about Jalen, the kid he is and the player he is. I got a chance to talk to him just briefly. Create a really good, healthy, competitive challenging environment."" Didn’t take long for Carson to start making this a non-issue.
May 4, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: From Garofolo: ”Carson Wentz on the #Eagles drafting Jalen Hurts: "Excited to add him to the team. ... Heard nothing but great things about Jalen, the kid he is and the player he is. I got a chance to talk to him just briefly. Create a really good, healthy, competitive challenging environment."" Didn’t take long for Carson to start making this a non-issue. I mean... What else did you really expect to be fair? He was always going to give a text book answer to this.
May 4, 20205 yr On 4/29/2020 at 9:29 AM, D-Shiznit said: What the hell has Howie gotten us into? Not only do we now have a national story about our QB situation for the next few years, but now our QB who's already navigated a QB controversy and a locker-room dissension storyline has another quandary to deal with. So much for Carson being on board with this pick, nothing but drama ahead. He needs to stay healthy and overcome the challenge, or GTFO.
May 4, 20205 yr 54 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: From Garofolo: ”Carson Wentz on the #Eagles drafting Jalen Hurts: "Excited to add him to the team. ... Heard nothing but great things about Jalen, the kid he is and the player he is. I got a chance to talk to him just briefly. Create a really good, healthy, competitive challenging environment."" Didn’t take long for Carson to start making this a non-issue. What else is he supposed to say? Screw you Hurts and F you Howie?
May 4, 20205 yr 47 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I mean... What else did you really expect to be fair? He was always going to give a text book answer to this. If even Howie allowed that the conversation was uncomfortable, Wentz didn't have to be so pro-team so soon. He could have hedged and driven more controversy. 8 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: What else is he supposed to say? Screw you Hurts and F you Howie? Obviously not. He doesn't swear.
May 4, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: Obviously not. He doesn't swear. I think you caught the jist of what I meant.
May 4, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Uscg-green said: I think you caught the jist of what I meant. Yes, but as it's exactly the same jist UK posted in response before you, I went for the snarky answer. Y'all just going to decide how upset Carson is regardless, right? He says all the right things, it's because you claim he has to. I'm not sure what anyone's actually seen from Carson Wentz to indicate that he's even got a gear where he's going to let something like this get in his head. Frankly, I think many of us would like that gear. If Carson came out and said, "I'll help Jalen along the way when I can, but this is my job and my team, and I Fing intend to show everyone why this season," I'd sprout half a chub. Unfortunately, he's not the type to come out with that kind of fire.
May 4, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: If even Howie allowed that the conversation was uncomfortable, Wentz didn't have to be so pro-team so soon. He could have hedged and driven more controversy. Yeah he did. He had to play down any QB controversy. And Howie was referring to that initial conversation with Wentz... That initial conversation was always going to be uncomfortable because of the nature.
May 4, 20205 yr On 4/29/2020 at 10:15 AM, JSEagle said: I don't really see the problem with it. It probably was uncomfortable to let Wentz know they were going to draft a QB, but it is what it is. We needed a back up. The football season is getting longer, there's a pandemic and if we're being honest, Wentz hasn't thrown the final pass for the Eagles in 3 seasons now. He's had an injury every single year, to some degree, for his entire career and even prior to that in college. I like Wentz. I'm happy he's our QB and wouldn't change that. He's smart enough to understand that this is a business, though. He has to know what went into the decision. If he's that mentally fragile (which I don't believe) then he shouldn't be playing the sport. Howie needs to worry about the Eagles as a whole, not just Wentz. We definitely needed a good backup based on Wentz' injury history, but it didn't have to be the 53th pick in the draft.
May 4, 20205 yr Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Yeah he did. He had to play down any QB controversy. And Howie was referring to that initial conversation with Wentz... That initial conversation was always going to be uncomfortable because of the nature. If it was "always" going to be uncomfortable, then why is it a topic of discussion? 🤷🏼♂️
May 4, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, FastFreddie said: If it was "always" going to be uncomfortable, then why is it a topic of discussion? 🤷🏼♂️ Huh? Because it was a topic of conversation at the time when Howie made the comment...
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