Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 For a very long time I was disenchanted with the way Roseman treats 3rd round picks. Maybe it started from Golden Tate waisted pick? Maybe I was wondering who we could have selected in the 3rd, if we did not trade with Detroit for Slay? Today I read Roseman: "If you said it to me right now: 'You can trade a third-round pick to win a playoff win?' I would do that," Roseman said. "I would do whatever it takes to try to win as many games as possible and get a championship parade for the Philadelphia Eagles." I clearly value and remember that Nick Foles was a 3rd round pick....the only QB to ever bring a Super Bowl to Philadelphia! IF we would trade a 3rd round pick for a veteran every year. There would be no Brian Dawkins, Duce Staley, Jordan Hicks, or Bennie Logan. Too valuable of the pick to trade for a short term solution. Bad short term philosophy in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagstaffEagle Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Brian Dawkins was a second round pick 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICWOOFLAIR Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I mean there's really no value of any picks if you base it on how they draft. They've wasted a 1st rounder on Nelson Agholor, wasted a 2nd on JJ Whiteside and Jalen Hurst....wasted a 3rd on Golden Tate. And this team is over the salary cap a year from now. They want to invest money in defensive tackles and be up against the cap but not value draft picks enough to use them to provide roster building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uscg-green Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I'd rather have a discussion with him on the value of 2nd rounders first. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-1000 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Any Eagles fan who doesn't know what round Brian Dawkins was drafted in, especially as a principle piece of an argument they are making, has zero credibility. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 That's not even the point of what Howie was saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfcares Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I’ll make it easy for you, there was no one we could have picked in the 3rd that is better than Slay, who is a top 5 player in a position that we had a huge need. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I have never really analyzed the picks. I just hope for the best when they get here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weko Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, FlagstaffEagle said: Brian Dawkins was a second round pick He was one of the last if not the last 2nd round comp pick, so technically that would make him a 3rd round pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, FlagstaffEagle said: Brian Dawkins was a second round pick Thank You for the correction. Brian Dawkins was a 5th safety drafted and was a 61 pick....Amost a third round pick. 🙂 But my point is that I would rather draft a long term success possibility, instead of spending the drafting capital on the short term veteran. Is it any wonder that every year older players get hurt and do not contribute??? Is Slay going to be the next Troy Vincent?? Or will he contribute at all??? 4 hours ago, Uscg-green said: I'd rather have a discussion with him on the value of 2nd rounders first. Thats the next topic! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, T-1000 said: Any Eagles fan who doesn't know what round Brian Dawkins was drafted in, especially as a principle piece of an argument they are making, has zero credibility. Thank you..the 61st selection...and a 5th safety taken in the draft is second round..but my point about spending capital on the veterans..remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: That's not even the point of what Howie was saying. "trade a third-round pick to win a playoff win?' I would do that," Roseman said" ??? IS this not what Howie been doing??? Trading away picks for veterans??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentwo Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 3rd Round picks from the last ten years. Brian Westbrook Billy McMullen Matt Ware Ryan Moats Chris Gocong Tony Hunt Stewart Bradley Bryan Smith Daniel Te'o-Nesheim Curtis Marsh Nick Foles Bennie Logan Josh Huff Jordan Hicks Isaac Seumalo Rasul Douglas Davion Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, kentwo said: 3rd Round picks from the last ten years. Brian Westbrook Billy McMullen Matt Ware Ryan Moats Chris Gocong Tony Hunt Stewart Bradley Bryan Smith Daniel Te'o-Nesheim Curtis Marsh Nick Foles Bennie Logan Josh Huff Jordan Hicks Isaac Seumalo Rasul Douglas Davion Taylor The Eagles would not be the same...if Every year! we gave away draft picks for 29 year old veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: you said it to me right now: 'You can trade a third-round pick to win a playoff win?' I would do that," Roseman said. "I would do whatever it takes to try to win as many games as possible and get a championship parade for the Philadelphia Eagles." I heard this from Howie and have to say I was somewhat confused by it. I completely understand the thought process of wanting to win as many games as possible. But trading a third round pick every year to win one play off game? Doesn't quite seem right and long term that could hurt your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perforator Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Teflon Howie should just shut his trap and slink back to his office and let this blow over. He's doing himself more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Perforator said: Teflon Howie should just shut his trap and slink back to his office and let this blow over. He's doing himself more harm than good. There is an element to be remembered here though... Some of what he said came immediately after the draft on each day where he'd been fully embedded in all things draft and perhaps didn't say the right things due to mental fatigue. I don't want to make excuses for Howie because I am not convinced by him but just saying we have to remember all factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uscg-green Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 hours ago, T-1000 said: Any Eagles fan who doesn't know what round Brian Dawkins was drafted in, especially as a principle piece of an argument they are making, has zero credibility. This makes me feel old to say but you do realize there are some on here who were not alive or were babies when Dawk was drafted right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 hours ago, kentwo said: 3rd Round picks from the last ten years. Brian Westbrook Billy McMullen Matt Ware Ryan Moats Chris Gocong Tony Hunt Stewart Bradley Bryan Smith Daniel Te'o-Nesheim Curtis Marsh Nick Foles Bennie Logan Josh Huff Jordan Hicks Isaac Seumalo Rasul Douglas Davion Taylor I counted 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: "trade a third-round pick to win a playoff win?' I would do that," Roseman said" ??? IS this not what Howie been doing??? Trading away picks for veterans??? I know what he said I read the whole article. He was giving examples of the situations that come up and the choices he makes and doesn't regret them if it leads to wins. It doesn't mean he is going to trade a 3rd rounder every single year to try to get a win. It means if you told him trading a 3rd rounder would help you get a playoff win and one step closer to getting back to the super bowl he would make that move every time. So the year he traded a 3rd for Tate and it helped him get a playoff win. This year he is saying that drafting Hurts is a risk but it is a risk he is willing to take because having Foles as a backup won them a super bowl. He also still regrets not trading up to get Russell Wilson and he didn't want to make that mistake again and went and got his guy in Hurts. So all this being said the whole meaning behind that schedule is Howie is willing to take risks if he thinks it will get them extra wins to get them closer to a super bowl or more draft picks. The article wasn't as simple as him just saying he will trade a 3rd rounder every year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said: I counted 17. Me thinks a few of them were not the last 10 years.... Lol. Whatever helps an argument I guess lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-1000 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Uscg-green said: This makes me feel old to say but you do realize there are some on here who were not alive or were babies when Dawk was drafted right? He's a hall of famer and most likely a top 5 player to ever suit up for the Eagles. Know your history, especially if you are going to post about, thats my point. Theres even this new invention called google that helps you find out all kinds of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Me thinks a few of them were not the last 10 years.... Lol. Whatever helps an argument I guess lol He actually went back to 2002 lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said: He actually went back to 2002 lol. Hey man I know exactly when I was drafted! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I know what he said I read the whole article. He was giving examples of the situations that come up and the choices he makes and doesn't regret them if it leads to wins. It doesn't mean he is going to trade a 3rd rounder every single year to try to get a win. It means if you told him trading a 3rd rounder would help you get a playoff win and one step closer to getting back to the super bowl he would make that move every time. So the year he traded a 3rd for Tate and it helped him get a playoff win. This year he is saying that drafting Hurts is a risk but it is a risk he is willing to take because having Foles as a backup won them a super bowl. He also still regrets not trading up to get Russell Wilson and he didn't want to make that mistake again and went and got his guy in Hurts. So all this being said the whole meaning behind that schedule is Howie is willing to take risks if he thinks it will get them extra wins to get them closer to a super bowl or more draft picks. The article wasn't as simple as him just saying he will trade a 3rd rounder every year. My opinion is different then Howie's. You can not buy Super Bowl.... Teams like Dallas and Washington tried. Most dream teams are a failure. Sorry....But I am not happy about trading picks for veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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