16 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

My opinion is different then Howie's. You can not buy Super Bowl.... Teams like Dallas and Washington tried. Most dream teams are a failure. Sorry....But I am not happy about trading picks for veterans. 

So you weren't happy with the super bowl they won by trading for Jay ? I don't totally agree with it either. However, if you think a player can help you mid season get to where you want to go then take the risk it's not always going to work out. Also still not the point of the article. 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

My opinion is different then Howie's. You can not buy Super Bowl.... Teams like Dallas and Washington tried. Most dream teams are a failure. Sorry....But I am not happy about trading picks for veterans. 

Trading is one aspect used to get better. Many fans argued they should have traded picks for Ramsey or Hopkins. 

Jason Peters, Slay, Ajayi...you don't want to rely on it but Howie is saying if a proven player is available to help you win, that's justifiable.

Also we argue they suck at drafting anyway.

10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Trading is one aspect used to get better. Many fans argued they should have traded picks for Ramsey or Hopkins. 

Jason Peters, Runyan, Slay, Ajayi...you don't want to rely on it but Howie is saying if a proven player is available to help you win, that's justifiable.

Also we argue they suck at drafting anyway.

Runyan was a FA signing, not a trade. I agree with your point though.  

Are we really going to complain about trading a midround pick for one of the top CBs in the league which is arguably our position of biggest need? After the complete fumble of the Golden Tate trade I agree but that seemed to fall on the ineptitude of now departed staff. Aside from that we haven't really traded any picks higher than the 4th lately IIRC.

12 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

For a very long time I was disenchanted with the way Roseman treats 3rd round picks. Maybe it started from Golden Tate waisted pick? Maybe I was wondering who we could have selected in the 3rd, if we did not trade with Detroit for Slay? Today I read Roseman:

"If you said it to me right now: 'You can trade a third-round pick to win a playoff win?' I would do that," Roseman said. "I would do whatever it takes to try to win as many games as possible and get a championship parade for the Philadelphia Eagles."

I clearly value and remember  that Nick Foles was a 3rd round pick....the only QB to ever bring a Super Bowl to Philadelphia!

IF we would trade a 3rd round pick for a veteran every year. There would be no Brian Dawkins, Duce Staley, Jordan Hicks, or Bennie Logan. Too valuable of the pick to trade for a short term solution. Bad short term philosophy in my opinion.

 

12 hours ago, FlagstaffEagle said:

Brian Dawkins was a second round pick

Between this and your "we didn't draft a safety" thread, forgetting K'von Wallace existed...you're really killing it on the new EMB so far. 

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Runyan was a FA signing, not a trade. I agree with your point though.  

Dangit!

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Dangit!

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Trading is one aspect used to get better. Many fans argued they should have traded picks for Ramsey or Hopkins. 

Jason Peters, Slay, Ajayi...you don't want to rely on it but Howie is saying if a proven player is available to help you win, that's justifiable.

Also we argue they suck at drafting anyway.

Never can win can we? The article was pointing to more of the reason why Howie wanted Hurts not about wanting to trade every year for veterans. He chose to leave that out of his thread though. Also golden Tate is a damn good receiver the coaching staff effed that one up. 

Howie does a lot of dumb unconventional crap that we hate but, he does take risks and does put thought into them. Maybe not good thoughts all the time but, can't say he doesn't put in the work. 

Sometimes Howie is one of those guys you have to give him the " keep it simple stupid" speech lol

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Never can win can we? The article was pointing to more of the reason why Howie wanted Hurts not about wanting to trade every year for veterans. He chose to leave that out of his thread though. Also golden Tate is a damn good receiver the coaching staff effed that one up. 

Howie does a lot of dumb unconventional crap that we hate but, he does take risks and does put thought into them. Maybe not good thoughts all the time but, can't say he doesn't put in the work. 

Sometimes Howie is one of those guys you have to give him the " keep it simple stupid" speech lol

He will make multiple different comments and explain various angles and complexities that go into decisions...and the media and fans will pluck one comment out of context and crucify him for it.

People have their minds made up anyway. A lot of Philly fans just look for negative. They believe every negative report or rumor but anything positive is met with criticism. 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He will make multiple different comments and explain various angles and complexities that go into decisions...and the media and fans will pluck one comment out of context and crucify him for it.

People have their minds made up anyway. A lot of Philly fans just look for negative. They believe every negative report or rumor but anything positive is met with criticism. 

I know, it gets exhausting after awhile. This is why this is my only source of social media. If I had to listen to this bashing on several social media platforms I would probably lose my sheet completely

These are the same people probably pissed that they didn't trade for a receiver this last mid season . That damn Howie sitting on all these draft picks that are usless because he sucks at drafting anyways! 

Golden Tate was a great value at 3rd round pick. Its just they kept the wrong player. You resign Golden Tate, we have a very good WR in DJax, Reagor, Tate, Ward with 3 other young players to groom. Tate was the perfect fit for this offense but most are not reasonable and expected him to be a superstar coming in mid season with no camp or off season to learn the playbook and gel with 2 different QBs. Id say letting Tate walk and keeping Nelson was Howies biggest mistake in the last 2 years.

16 hours ago, FlagstaffEagle said:

Brian Dawkins was a second round pick

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! "

"Germans?"

"Forget it, he's rolling!"

10 hours ago, Outlaw said:

 

Between this and your "we didn't draft a safety" thread, forgetting K'von Wallace existed...you're really killing it on the new EMB so far. 

I am very happy to be on the EMB, not dependent on the corporation. Please, if you feel that I misspelled something, correct me. But my opinion is that we are waisting draft arsenal on veterans..and if you want to disagree with that..we can have a difference of opinions. As far as bending the truth ...that the end of the second round is almost the 3rd pick. I am fine with that. Peace.

10 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Runyan was a FA signing, not a trade. I agree with your point though.  

There are always exceptions. Loved Runyan and Bennet, and some others...But most of the veterans in my opinion are..a health risk, and very costly on top of that. Need to concentrate on better scouting and drafting.

5 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

There are always exceptions. Loved Runyan and Bennet, and some others...But most of the veterans in my opinion are..a health risk, and very costly on top of that. Need to concentrate on better scouting and drafting.

I think most would agree with that.

9 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Golden Tate was a great value at 3rd round pick. Its just they kept the wrong player. You resign Golden Tate, we have a very good WR in DJax, Reagor, Tate, Ward with 3 other young players to groom. Tate was the perfect fit for this offense but most are not reasonable and expected him to be a superstar coming in mid season with no camp or off season to learn the playbook and gel with 2 different QBs. Id say letting Tate walk and keeping Nelson was Howies biggest mistake in the last 2 years.

Howie's biggest mistake , in my opinion, was retaining older players and and then blaming the medical stuff for the older players being hurt. Individual player selections is a different story. Anything could have happened. In the end...waisted 3rd round pick. 

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

Trading is one aspect used to get better. Many fans argued they should have traded picks for Ramsey or Hopkins. 

Jason Peters, Slay, Ajayi...you don't want to rely on it but Howie is saying if a proven player is available to help you win, that's justifiable.

Also we argue they suck at drafting anyway.

In my experience, a player "Proven" successful in a different system , DOES NOT always translate into our system. Remember our DREAM TEAM? Many people very successful somewhere also came here, only to be a disaster as a team. Team cohesion is more important, that expectations that someone can be plugged in and fit your organization.

39 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

In my experience, a player "Proven" successful in a different system , DOES NOT always translate into our system. Remember our DREAM TEAM? Many people very successful somewhere also came here, only to be a disaster as a team. Team cohesion is more important, that expectations that someone can be plugged in and fit your organization.

So you are NEVER for trades? 

23 hours ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

I mean there's really no value of any picks if you base it on how they draft. They've wasted a 1st rounder on Nelson Agholor, wasted a 2nd on JJ Whiteside and Jalen Hurst....wasted a 3rd on Golden Tate.

 

And this team is over the salary cap a year from now. They want to invest money in defensive tackles and be up against the cap but not value draft picks enough to use them to provide roster building. 

I hate to burst your bubble, but the draft is hit or miss.  EVERY TEAM lays its share of eggs in the draft. 

If a team hits on 1/3 of its picks, it is doing well.  1/2 - excellent. 

43 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

In my experience, a player "Proven" successful in a different system , DOES NOT always translate into our system. Remember our DREAM TEAM? Many people very successful somewhere also came here, only to be a disaster as a team. Team cohesion is more important, that expectations that someone can be plugged in and fit your organization.

Actually, 2017 featured a boatload of new players.  As I recall, that was a cohesive team.

16 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I counted 17.

And Brian Westbrook was drafted much longer than 10 years ago.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

So you are NEVER for trades? 

Never say Never. I think that Trades are absolutely necessary, in a very rare amount of cases...but I  believe that the foundation of the team has to be the draft. If we would be a factory for developing our own picks, then there would be no necessity to trade draft picks for older veterans.

3 hours ago, Procus said:

Actually, 2017 featured a boatload of new players.  As I recall, that was a cohesive team.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. 2017 Was nothing short of a perfect Storm for the Eagles. And besides all the older veterans..there was a lot of youth that stepped up that Year, and played brilliantly. No matter who went down..some unheard of player would be plugged in and generated positive contribution. That was a perfect! cohesive team.  Do you remember how many RBs we went through? 

54 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

Never say Never. I think that Trades are absolutely necessary, in a very rare amount of cases...but I  believe that the foundation of the team has to be the draft. If we would be a factory for developing our own picks, then there would be no necessity to trade draft picks for older veterans.

Easier said than done. No team In the nfl is that good at drafting. Look at the patriots, they’ve dominated the league for 20 years by getting cheap veterans. 

On 4/30/2020 at 1:33 AM, Traveler Vic said:

The Eagles would not be the same...if Every year! we gave away draft picks for 29 year old veterans.

You have to give something to get something. Look at the winners Howie’s been drafting at corner. Although I thought the Tate move was a horrible one. Giving up a 3rd for a guy to play half a season at a position they already had filled when they clearly needed outside speed was a bad move. I don’t have a problem with what they did for Slay. I just think they did it a year too late.