16 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Golden Tate was a great value at 3rd round pick. Its just they kept the wrong player. You resign Golden Tate, we have a very good WR in DJax, Reagor, Tate, Ward with 3 other young players to groom. Tate was the perfect fit for this offense but most are not reasonable and expected him to be a superstar coming in mid season with no camp or off season to learn the playbook and gel with 2 different QBs. Id say letting Tate walk and keeping Nelson was Howies biggest mistake in the last 2 years.

Didn’t Tate get suspended for PEDs? That’s one of those moves people might have killed in hindsight especially if Agholor went someplace else and killed it that year. Trading a 3rd for a guy that would only play a half a season was a head scratcher to me. 

5 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

And Brian Westbrook was drafted much longer than 10 years ago.

Exactly. 

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Didn’t Tate get suspended for PEDs? That’s one of those moves people might have killed in hindsight especially if Agholor went someplace else and killed it that year. Trading a 3rd for a guy that would only play a half a season was a head scratcher to me. 

Tate suspended 4 games still had a  better season the Nelson did. They both played 11 games. Tate had double the yards and TDs with a crappy QB. Id take the 4 game suspension to keep him and take the neg talk to keep him. Dude is a very good WR. Esp in Dougs style. Screens, short, mid routes, large route tree, great in Yac. It was just flat out dumb to let him walk after a half a season. If he had a offseason with Carson/Foles and had time to learn the playbook he would have been a beast here for us. 

On 4/30/2020 at 3:13 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I heard this from Howie and have to say I was somewhat confused by it. 

I completely understand the thought process of wanting to win as many games as possible. But trading a third round pick every year to win one play off game? Doesn't quite seem right and long term that could hurt your team.

Don’t read too much into it.  He’s referring to trade deadline type deals when the team is in a playoff hunt and they are missing a piece or two to get them over the hump.   The irony around here is if they would stay put and not make a trade to get them to the next level then TATE would have a meltdown as well. 

24 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Don’t read too much into it.  He’s referring to trade deadline type deals when the team is in a playoff hunt and they are missing a piece or two to get them over the hump.   The irony around here is if they would stay put and not make a trade to get them to the next level then TATE would have a meltdown as well. 

That's true. I know I was desperate for us to trade for a WR at the deadline last year and I was fuming when they didn't. 

5 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Tate suspended 4 games still had a  better season the Nelson did. They both played 11 games. Tate had double the yards and TDs with a crappy QB. Id take the 4 game suspension to keep him and take the neg talk to keep him. Dude is a very good WR. Esp in Dougs style. Screens, short, mid routes, large route tree, great in Yac. It was just flat out dumb to let him walk after a half a season. If he had a offseason with Carson/Foles and had time to learn the playbook he would have been a beast here for us. 

If they had no desire to resign him they shouldn’t have made that trade is all I’m saying. They made a choice and choose Agholor. At the time Agholor was playing adequate enough in the slot. They were in dire need for an outside guy. Howie screwed up. 

16 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Easier said than done. No team In the nfl is that good at drafting. Look at the patriots, they’ve dominated the league for 20 years by getting cheap veterans. 

The quality veterans wanted to play for the Patriots, at cheap prices , because of their QB, their coach, their SB record. But then there are teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh who continue to build through the draft. I wish we were more like them. 

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

The quality veterans wanted to play for the Patriots, at cheap prices , because of their QB, their coach, their SB record. But then there are teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh who continue to build through the draft. I wish we were more like them. 

They need to fire Howie or at least keep him away from draft, then Eagles can. Please don't let this be a Jason Garrett situation.

33 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

They need to fire Howie or at least keep him away from draft, and Eagles can. Even us fans would do better than that imbecile.

Doubtful this fan base is mental

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

The quality veterans wanted to play for the Patriots, at cheap prices , because of their QB, their coach, their SB record. But then there are teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh who continue to build through the draft. I wish we were more like them. 

So have a super bowl win some real good seasons, a few down seasons and some  decent seasons? Over the last 10 years that's exactly how the Steelers and ravens have been and so have we. 

On 4/30/2020 at 1:31 AM, kentwo said:

3rd Round picks from the last ten years. 

Curtis Marsh

Nick Foles

Bennie Logan

Josh Huff

Jordan Hicks

Isaac Seumalo

Rasul Douglas

Davion Taylor

Fixed that for you. The last 10 drafts would give you 8 players, not 17 as you posted. I have no clue how you ended up going back to 2002. 

On 4/30/2020 at 7:48 PM, Procus said:

I hate to burst your bubble, but the draft is hit or miss.  EVERY TEAM lays its share of eggs in the draft. 

If a team hits on 1/3 of its picks, it is doing well.  1/2 - excellent. 

So that gives you the excuse of hurting your odds further by making dumb selections?

4 hours ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

So that gives you the excuse of hurting your odds further by making dumb selections?

Brandon Graham was one of those "dumb" selections.  We needed a safety and Earl Thomas was on the board.  Graham had knee problems for years and did not blossom until later.  Who determines whether or not a selection is "dumb" - you?

- I couldn’t agree more that the Tate trade was incredibly shortsighted and stupid, but Slay is signed until 2023. That represents good value, IMO.

- If anyone says, "The Eagles are TERRIBLE at picking players,” just disregard whatever else they’re saying. The Eagles are top half of the league in this regard. They could be better. They could be much, much worse.

A "29 year old veteran" is a player in his prime. We traded a 3rd round pick and acquired one of the top players at a position we have had major struggles at the last few years. We have a boatload of young players competing there the last 2 seasons with no real veteran to study and model their game after.  I disagree with crying about the draft capital we used to get Slay. It was a move that helps this team in more than one way. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

A "29 year old veteran" is a player in his prime. We traded a 3rd round pick and acquired one of the top players at a position we have had major struggles at the last few years. We have a boatload of young players competing there the last 2 seasons with no real veteran to study and model their game after.  I disagree with crying about the draft capital we used to get Slay. It was a move that helps this team in more than one way. 

Yeah, not understanding someone mad over trading for one of the most talented CBs in the league using a 3rd round pick, especially when the Eagles starting CBs were a guy the Redskins just signed for $4 million and a guy the Eagles moved to strong safety. 🤣

8 hours ago, SBorBust said:

I couldn’t agree more that the Tate trade was incredibly shortsighted and stupid, but Slay is signed until 2023. That represents good value, IMO.

The contract they've given him certainly represents good value. Because they either cut him in a couple of years before those big cap numbers hit or they restructure his deal. So certainly we can't really complain over the contract. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The contract they've given him certainly represents good value. Because they either cut him in a couple of years before those big cap numbers hit or they restructure his deal. So certainly we can't really complain over the contract. 

We will see. There is always a risk of injury, especially with older players. I am happy but cautious over Slay signing. Also..lets hope that there is an NFL season to be played.

1 minute ago, Traveler Vic said:

We will see. There is always a risk of injury, especially with older players. I am happy but cautious over Slay signing. Also..lets hope that there is an NFL season to be played.

I still don't quite understand the Slay trade given the other moves we've made this off season. They seem to counter each other. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I still don't quite understand the Slay trade given the other moves we've made this off season. They seem to counter each other. 

He is a really good player..and typically Cornerbacks can last..around 32 before diminishing. So there is a lot of potential....But! if we are rebuilding..instead of going after the SB..then why waste the picks. We could have selected some excellent players in this draft. Somewhat Confusing strategy.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

We will see. There is always a risk of injury, especially with older players.

Mills, Maddox, Darby, LeBlanc, Jones, Ford .... just some of our youngest DBs (and players) last year that all missed games with injuries. Meanwhile, our oldest DB played every snap and special teams. There's a pretty equal risk with everybody. People treat 30 years old like it's some kind of meaningful milestone that means everything is in decline. It's really just an age that happens during most adults' physical prime. It may be closer to "the end" than 25 years old, but it's not at all as bad as people keep acting like it is. 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

He is a really good player..and typically Cornerbacks can last..around 32 before diminishing. So there is a lot of potential....But! if we are rebuilding..instead of going after the SB..then why waste the picks. We could have selected some excellent players in this draft. Somewhat Confusing strategy.

I thought the studies suggest 29/30 is where they start to decline?

On 4/29/2020 at 9:12 PM, RICWOOFLAIR said:

I mean there's really no value of any picks if you base it on how they draft. They've wasted a 1st rounder on Nelson Agholor, wasted a 2nd on JJ Whiteside and Jalen Hurst....wasted a 3rd on Golden Tate.

 

And this team is over the salary cap a year from now. They want to invest money in defensive tackles and be up against the cap but not value draft picks enough to use them to provide roster building. 

I've been saying for years they Eagles don't value their draft picks the way they should.

Guys, before going off about Eagles’ draft picks, do some research or overall success rates of NFL draft picks. Outside the first 10 picks or so, the chances of getting an NFL caliber player that lasts over 5 years in the league is less than 50% and goes all the way down to less than 25% in the later rounds.   If the Eagles average around 7 picks per year and they have 2-3 guys per draft last over 5 years in the league, they are right around average. 

Someone needs to keep Roseman out of the draft room- period. He is a number cruncher- that's all he is. I defended him for years. Not after this last draft and leaning up to it. Done.